Take the ban and shut up about it!!

mbren

In recent years we have seen a few players being suspended for different reasons all relating to misconduct on the field.

Most notably, this year, Paul Galvin was suspended for 6 months. From the day the incident happened, until now we have heard an awful lot about it and his appeals etc. It was the same last year when Diarmuid O' Sullivan, Donal Og Cusack and Sean Og O Hailpin were banned, they all appealed.

Personally, I don't see why these players should be in a position to appeal the decisions made.

A few years ago, John Mullane from Waterford was sent off and got a ban. To date, he is one of very few people getting bans that hasn't appealed the decision. This is because he knew what he did was wrong. Does anyone else agree with me when I say that Paul Galvin should have taken his punishment and learned from his mistake rather than making a big song and dance about it?

Mushy

mbren wrote: »

In recent years we have seen a few players being suspended for different reasons all relating to misconduct on the field.

Most notably, this year, Paul Galvin was suspended for 6 months. From the day the incident happened, until now we have heard an awful lot about it and his appeals etc. It was the same last year when Diarmuid O' Sullivan, Donal Og Cusack and Sean Og O Hailpin were banned, they all appealed.

Personally, I don't see why these players should be in a position to appeal the decisions made.

A few years ago, John Mullane from Waterford was sent off and got a ban. To date, he is one of very few people getting bans that hasn't appealed the decision. This is because he knew what he did was wrong. Does anyone else agree with me when I say that Paul Galvin should have taken his punishment and learned from his mistake rather than making a big song and dance about it?

To some extent I agree with you here. Depending on the situation, grounds for appeal should not always be granted. But in saying this, a disciplinary process that can judge an offence within reasonable effect would have to be in place first, so appeals may not crop up.

Grudaire

They should put a charge on appeals, so if they fail the county has to pick up the tab, because it's not the appeal thats the problem, it's the fact that any red card given straight leads to an automatic appeal

Mr. Incognito

If the linesmen and referees weren't incompetent muppets I'd agree with you, but they're not, so I don't.

Galvin's altercation arose from the linesman and ref not seeing an incident and bookinng him "to be safe"

Look at "Ennisgate" in the last few days with an inexperienced umpire acting the tool

There are a lot of people sent off for inoculous challenges- an appeal mechanism should be there imo.

DDC1990

Yeah, have ye forgotton the Appeals of Collie Moran, Marc Ó Sé and recently Dan Gordan (I have no idea how he got off , with evidence showing he threw the head in.... but anyway) If there wasn't an appeals process players would be very hard done by a lot of the time.

Yavvy

I think the 57 opertunities to appeal is a bit silly though. One appeal. covering all decisions no oppertunity to go elswhere. they could call it the DRCCCCAP. Im not sure why one body can make an overarching decision.

blackbelt

SetantaL wrote: »

If the linesmen and referees weren't incompetent muppets I'd agree with you, but they're not, so I don't.

Galvin's altercation arose from the linesman and ref not seeing an incident and bookinng him "to be safe"

Look at "Ennisgate" in the last few days with an inexperienced umpire acting the tool
There are a lot of people sent off for inoculous challenges- an appeal mechanism should be there imo.

SetantaL,the charter has been updated.Give out about refs and linesmen but I don't want to see childish name calling.Please read the charter thank you.

stooge

DDC1990 wrote: »

... and recently Dan Gordan (I have no idea how he got off , with evidence showing he threw the head in.... but anyway)

I'd like to see this 'evidence'. The replays on the sunday game show Clancy and Gordan going head to head. After this Gordan threw his SHOULDER into clancy's. Clancy then went down holding his face. The replays showed no contact was made with the head, even the panellists on the sunday game agreed. They agreed it was almost certain that he would get the sending off rescinded.

Mr. Incognito

SetantaL,the charter has been updated.Give out about refs and linesmen but I don't want to see childish name calling.Please read the charter thank you

Sorry bout that- had a read.

In my adult voice I'm going to say that the GAA needs to have some sort of organised training programme that results in all the refs applying the same rules in a consistent manner AT ALL LEVELS! This pow-wow sit down, picking over video's and having a chat over a cuppa approach is a joke. You should need to have completed a professional course and have a cert across the board. They are taking in numnber one million through the turnstyles this weekend - the money is surely there.

It's a rare ref that calls for steps, thrown balls are becomming fashionable again. However I have seem them pretty consistent about pick ups now that usen't be the case five years ago and the announced stoppage time has avoided a lot of dust ups that used be common so some small progress I suppose

juvenal

OT, I would advocate mic-ing the referees during championship games, so the viewers at home can hear (a) how the referee interacts with the players and vice-versa; and (b) so there can be a clear, immediate indication of the referee's decision.

No matter how good you are as a referee, you're going to misjudge the ocassional incident when it's a contact sport and there's thirty people on the field of play.

I would also enforce this during soccer, as it's easy to sit at home and criticise the officials, but when you lip-read some of the abuse the players are giving them, you can see it's absolutely out of order and that some people have no respect for the rules or the officials trying to enforce them.

DDC1990

Im not from Laois and have nothing against Down but... just look at the pic... that should be evidence enough! Anyway we should probably get back OT.

Edit: It has occured to me that this may not be the incident that Gordan got the Red card for. I seem to recall that they were more side to side, and not head on as is shown in this pic. Still a headbut!

Grudaire

DDC1990 wrote: »

Im not from Laois and have nothing against Down but... just look at the pic... that should be evidence enough! Anyway we should probably get back OT.

Edit: It has occured to me that this may not be the incident that Gordan got the Red card for. I seem to recall that they were more side to side, and not head on as is shown in this pic. Still a headbut!

You mis understand they're rubbing heads, just like lions do- affectionatly:

"Head rubbing and licking are common social behaviors within a pride, this cub's mother gives it an affectionate nudge" from here

kerry4sam

mbren wrote: »

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Personally, I don't see why these players should be in a position to appeal the decisions made. ... have taken his punishment and learned from his mistake rather than making a big song and dance about it?

If the ban was justified then i totally agree but if the player was wronged and received no assistance from either linesmen or the referee then i think the player(s) would be well within their rights to appeal the decision

Nalced_irl

DDC1990 wrote: »

Im not from Laois and have nothing against Down but... just look at the pic... that should be evidence enough! Anyway we should probably get back OT.

Edit: It has occured to me that this may not be the incident that Gordan got the Red card for. I seem to recall that they were more side to side, and not head on as is shown in this pic. Still a headbut!

To be honest, you cannot use a pic as any kind of evidence. All that shows is that their heads are in contact, it does in no way show a headbutt. When people square up to eachother, quite often they are forehead to forehead but there is no force. Not saying there was no headbutt but pictures cannot be definative evidence, only videos show the actual incident as it happened.