Rural housing documents and other data

No6

muffler wrote: »

It is also part of the regs now that a standard application form can be used no matter which county you are in.

I also recall the draft of it on the DoE website a couple of years back where they proposed that the applicant include his/hers PPS number :eek: Thankfully that stupid idea was abandoned

Have any of you been asked to provide payslips and the like for you clients to prove housing need, I've heard of it happening not in my LA though!! It would be a great opportunity for impersonation, get a few credit cards go on holidays!!!

muffler

No6 wrote: »

Have any of you been asked to provide payslips and the like for you clients to prove housing need, I've heard of it happening not in my LA though!! It would be a great opportunity for impersonation, get a few credit cards go on holidays!!!

Thats a new one for me alright. Never heard of it.

Funnily enough a letter from a cllr here in Donegal will suffice for both roots and needs.

Poor Uncle Tom

muffler wrote: »

Funnily enough a letter from a cllr here in Donegal will suffice for both roots and needs.

Impressive councillors ye've got up there!

Yeah, had to put a marraige cert with one, pay slip with another, GP's letter was not good enough with another they wanted a specialists report.
Garda's letters are fairly common here.

muffler

Another thread has ran off topic on this issue so the best thing is to have a new thread for comments.

So what does your planning authority look for to demonstrate roots and nees for rural housing applications?

As I said in the other thread in Donegal a letter from the local councillor will normally suffice.




I edited the thread title to include documents/data in general.

No6

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Impressive councillors ye've got up there!

Yeah, had to put a marraige cert with one, pay slip with another, GP's letter was not good enough with another they wanted a specialists report.
Garda's letters are fairly common here.

So it is true, and are these details available in the file either on the web or in the planning office ? (sorry Muffler maybe we need a new thread for this one!!) If so where are you at Uncle Tom what with this recession going on I need to impersonate someone!!!! Seriously though has anyone in these local authorities thought about what they are looking for at all!! and what can be done with this information about clients which is then in the public domain!!!!:eek:

No6

Well done muffler you're ahead of me, can you move my last post in the invalidations thread to here!!

Poor Uncle Tom

Yup the details are on the public files for all to see, not on the net mind. A couple of years ago I was lodging a few applications on a Friday evening and I was paying for those with a credit card, minding my own business waiting for the accounts girl to give me my receipt I noticed she had printed extra sets of the receipt so I asked, 'what for?' She told me a copy of the receipt had to go with each application to each file:eek:
Imagine, Credit Card number, name, etc., part of a public file. I threw a wobbley. It took me a week to check any file I had paid with a card and remove the receipt copy attached.

Sorry Muffler, maybe you could move these messages to the other thread.

muffler

No6 wrote: »

Well done muffler you're ahead of me, can you move my last post in the invalidations thread to here!!

I will indeed.



If I dont make a balls of it

No6

muffler wrote: »

I will indeed.



If I dont make a balls of it

Cheers cause I'm off to impersonate Uncle Tom and go on a much needed holiday!! (see below if muffler dosnt make a balls of it!!)

muffler

Ah ha. It worked.

The posts are a wee bit mixed up but cant avoid that as they go in chronological order.

muffler

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Yup the details are on the public files for all to see, not on the net mind. A couple of years ago I was lodging a few applications on a Friday evening and I was paying for those with a credit card, minding my own business waiting for the accounts girl to give me my receipt I noticed she had printed extra sets of the receipt so I asked, 'what for?' She told me a copy of the receipt had to go with each application to each file:eek:
Imagine, Credit Card number, name, etc., part of a public file. I threw a wobbley. It took me a week to check any file I had paid with a card and remove the receipt copy attached.

Sorry Muffler, maybe you could move these messages to the other thread.

Wasn't too sure where to put this but it will do here.

sydthebeat

typical rural housing documents supplied in laois:

• applicants cover letter
• letter from applicants employers stating duration, duties and location of applicants work.
• letter for local parish priest (establishing generational afiliation)
• letters from schools attended. old reports may suffice.
• map (usually discovery series) showing location of all relatives living in the area
• doctors letters, if needs based on medical reasons.
• letters from local clubs, societies etc that show applicants association with locality ie sporting clubs, volunteer work etc

funnily enough, letters from councillors arent really asked for at all to establish and housing need.

sydthebeat

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Yup the details are on the public files for all to see, not on the net mind. A couple of years ago I was lodging a few applications on a Friday evening and I was paying for those with a credit card, minding my own business waiting for the accounts girl to give me my receipt I noticed she had printed extra sets of the receipt so I asked, 'what for?' She told me a copy of the receipt had to go with each application to each file:eek:
Imagine, Credit Card number, name, etc., part of a public file. I threw a wobbley. It took me a week to check any file I had paid with a card and remove the receipt copy attached.

Sorry Muffler, maybe you could move these messages to the other thread.

dont they just put the councils receipt on file???

why the hell would the put the credit card print out??? then there would be two receipts on file.....

Poor Uncle Tom

sydthebeat wrote: »

dont they just put the councils receipt on file???

why the hell would the put the credit card print out??? then there would be two receipts on file.....

A question I asked as well. I didn't get a proper answer, so I made a point of always paying by cheque after that.

No.6, You're too late, why do you think I'm called POOR Uncle Tom now?

No6

Damn!!! God its scary out there, i bet if you or your client were imporsonated using information on a planning file it would be your fault for putting the information there in the first place!!

Supertech

Yup the details are on the public files for all to see, not on the net mind. A couple of years ago I was lodging a few applications on a Friday evening and I was paying for those with a credit card, minding my own business waiting for the accounts girl to give me my receipt I noticed she had printed extra sets of the receipt so I asked, 'what for?' She told me a copy of the receipt had to go with each application to each file
Imagine, Credit Card number, name, etc., part of a public file. I threw a wobbley. It took me a week to check any file I had paid with a card and remove the receipt copy attached.

That's bananas !!!! Do they photocopy the euro notes when you pay by cash ........

Garroldy

Meath requested bank statements ( with details blanked ) and then FI'd additionally for a letter from the bank stating that the applicant has been a customer for over 5 years. They were also provided with school reports from the womb onwards and FI'd for a letter from the schools in question to confirm. Also car tax receipts.

Probably plenty there for a good identity fraud scam.

Poor Uncle Tom

When I pushed the point for a reply, planning questioned accounts and got back to me saying that the official receipt would take between three and five working days and the card receipt was put on file in the mean time.

This was not the case, as a couple of files were 10 months old at the time and the receipts were still on the files. I hope I got them all (14 in total) between Feb 2004 and Jan 2005. We had made other applications during the same period but it was just the ones I lodged myself, so I can't blame anyone.

sydthebeat

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

When I pushed the point for a reply, planning questioned accounts and got back to me saying that the official receipt would take between three and five working days and the card receipt was put on file in the mean time.

This was not the case, as a couple of files were 10 months old at the time and the receipts were still on the files. I hope I got them all (14 in total) between Feb 2004 and Jan 2005. We had made other applications during the same period but it was just the ones I lodged myself, so I can't blame anyone.

:eek: jesus!!!!

Slig

sydthebeat wrote: »

typical rural housing documents supplied in laois:

• applicants cover letter
• letter from applicants employers stating duration, duties and location of applicants work.
• letter for local parish priest (establishing generational afiliation)
• letters from schools attended. old reports may suffice.
• map (usually discovery series) showing location of all relatives living in the area
• doctors letters, if needs based on medical reasons.
• letters from local clubs, societies etc that show applicants association with locality ie sporting clubs, volunteer work etc

funnily enough, letters from councillors arent really asked for at all to establish and housing need.

Funnily enough I had one FI asking something similar
Please show on a discovery series map the applicants current location in relation to the site.
We had included in the original application, the applicants reasons for wanting to build in the area. The main one was that he was coming back from Saudi Arabia.:D

RKQ

Isn't it strange that the Applicants address is held on one form, off the public file, under the Data Protection Act.
Yet Councils see no harm in posting 6 copies of credit card receipts, payslips, school reports etc on a public file.

Surely such sensitive personal information could be held off the public file. It wouldn't take much to organise / legalise that. ( Seems common sense )

No6

RKQ wrote: »

( Seems common sense )

and therein lies the problem Public Service & Common Sense not two terms often associated with each other as can be clearly seen from this thread!!!