PDF Barrier Free Tolling

echo hotel

if your in uniform in your own car you can use the toll bridge for free how does that work now with barrier free tolling

Poccington

Myself and some other lads were discussing it last week.

Nobody has a ****ing clue

Ian Beale

Had a bit of a look around to see what exemptions there on for the toll bridges,
Exemptions from toll charges

Certain vehicles in Ireland are exempt from toll charges. The vehicles in question are vehicles belonging to and used for official purposes by the Defence Forces, vehicles used by An Garda Siochana (the Irish police force), fire brigade vehicles and ambulances.

Disabled drivers who display a Concessionary Travel Card at the East-Link and West-Link Bridges and M1 Toll road are entitled to exemption from toll fees. Disabled drivers driving adapted vehicles are exempt from toll charges M4 Toll (Kinnegad-Enfield-Kilcock).

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Must be official vehicles only perhaps?

kermit_ie

echo hotel wrote: »

if your in uniform in your own car you can use the toll bridge for free

You are not supposed to. See the act quoted above.

You can only get through free in your own vehicle if you are authorised to claim mileage for the journey you are undertaking.

echo hotel

kermit_ie wrote: »

You are not supposed to. See the act quoted above.

You can only get through free in your own vehicle if you are authorised to claim mileage for the journey you are undertaking.

So for example person living on the north side but who's home unit is in the bruagha are they exempt from toll charges

Poccington

echo hotel wrote: »

So for example person living on the north side but who's home unit is in the bruagha are they exempt from toll charges

They wouldn't be charged if they were in uniform, at least I've never heard a case of any of the lads in work having to pay.

I dunno why any of the lads on the Northside would have to use the M50 though.

echo hotel

just using an example, There must be some lads in the army using a toll bridge on the way to work

kermit_ie

echo hotel wrote: »

So for example person living on the north side but who's home unit is in the bruagha are they exempt from toll charges

No. Driving from your home to your place of work is specifically precluded from drawing mileage.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Poccington wrote: »

I dunno why any of the lads on the Northside would have to use the M50 though.

Travelling to Baldonnel, the DFTC etc?.

arybvtcw0eolkf

kermit_ie wrote: »

You are not supposed to. See the act quoted above.

You can only get through free in your own vehicle if you are authorised to claim mileage for the journey you are undertaking.

I'm not saying your wrong, but I can't see how that works.

Are you saying then that the toll your exempt is taken from the Defence Forces budget by the NRA?.

That doesn't make sense at all.

If the exemption is only for mil-pers claiming sub why are we just paying the toll and reclaiming through our sub?.

MacBuster

All Defence forces personell except in military vehicles now have to pay the the toll country wide....

My girlfriend works for the M1 Toll and this has been in force since Jan,2008

martinr5232

Ive been on the M1 loads of times since January and didnt have to pay any toll while in uniform.

muletide

MacBuster wrote: »

All Defence forces personell except in military vehicles now have to pay the the toll country wide....

My girlfriend works for the M1 Toll and this has been in force since Jan,2008

Your girlfriend is wrong -- The Defence Act 1954 (copied largely from the equivalent British Act) states that soldiers on their way to duty may not be tolled.It is a throw back to the old days (Middle Ages) in Britain when all bridges were tolled.

The defence act is the LAW therefore trumps your girlfriends opinion

As to the practicalities of arranging this with e tolling ????

MacBuster

No you are wrong, completely wrong and I have since the actually memo's given to all at all booths... The act has changed...

Give them a call and then come back and apologise....

As I use them as I am in the army..So get your facts right before you sound off with old or WRONG information... Make the call please I need a laugh on a sunday...

And it is not her opinion it is fact so do yourself a favour and toddle elsewhere with your misinformation............

MacBuster

martinr5232 wrote: »

Ive been on the M1 loads of times since January and didnt have to pay any toll while in uniform.

Well then those people letting you through could loose their jobs as my girlfriend recently got repremanded for letting a solider go through enroute to gormanstown via the M1

muletide

Look I dont want an argument - I am simply telling you facts - whatever the tolling company are doing is another matter.

The facts are The Defence Act is the law - and it has not been changed simply because e-tolling has come in.

If this was challenged by someone then they would have the weight of the law behind them - the only grey area is what constitutes "duty"

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1954/en/act/pub/0018/sec0112.html#zza18y1954s112

Trotter

Exemption from duties and tolls.

112.—(1) No duties or tolls, otherwise payable by law in respect of the use of any pier, wharf, quay, landing place, highway, road, right of way, bridge or canal, shall be paid by or demanded from any unit or other element of the Defence Forces or an officer or man when on duty or any person under escort or in respect of the movement of any matériel of the Defence Forces.


(2) Nothing in subsection (1) of this section shall affect the liability for payment of duties or tolls lawfully demandable in respect of any vehicles or vessels other than those belonging to or in the service of the Defence Forces.


Does section 2 basically say that section 1 only applies to people in military vehicles?

Hagar

If you were on duty I suppose you could just tell them that under certain provisions of the DFA you are not at liberty to discuss your operational status.

martinr5232

So who are you going to tell that to on the M50 is there still going to be a lane with a booth on it????

kermit_ie

Mairt wrote: »

I'm not saying your wrong, but I can't see how that works.

Are you saying then that the toll your exempt is taken from the Defence Forces budget by the NRA?.

That doesn't make sense at all.

If the exemption is only for mil-pers claiming sub why are we just paying the toll and reclaiming through our sub?.

No. You are exempt, there is no toll allowable. The NRA, or other toll operator, don't claim it back off anyone.

The only DF exemptions are for DF Vehicles, and for certain authorised officers who are travelling in their own vehicles on an AF90.

Again, how this is going to work on the new M50 is not for me to decide.

echo hotel

Trotter wrote: »

Exemption from duties and tolls.

112.—(1) No duties or tolls, otherwise payable by law in respect of the use of any pier, wharf, quay, landing place, highway, road, right of way, bridge or canal, shall be paid by or demanded from any unit or other element of the Defence Forces or an officer or man when on duty or any person under escort or in respect of the movement of any matériel of the Defence Forces.


(2) Nothing in subsection (1) of this section shall affect the liability for payment of duties or tolls lawfully demandable in respect of any vehicles or vessels other than those belonging to or in the service of the Defence Forces.


Does section 2 basically say that section 1 only applies to people in military vehicles?

Looks like it alright

SIRREX

kermit_ie wrote: »

No. You are exempt, there is no toll allowable. The NRA, or other toll operator, don't claim it back off anyone.

The only DF exemptions are for DF Vehicles, and for certain authorised officers who are travelling in their own vehicles on an AF90.

Again, how this is going to work on the new M50 is not for me to decide.

I don't know about other toll roads but the by-laws that were published when the M4 open said that members of the defence forces are exempt from the charge when proceeding to or from duty (Just try taking a days usl and you'll find that basically any day in work is covered by the definition "duty":D)
As a fellow mullingar resident I thought you'd know that Kermit!

kermit_ie

SIRREX wrote: »

I don't know about other toll roads but the by-laws that were published when the M4 open said that members of the defence forces are exempt from the charge when proceeding to or from duty (Just try taking a days usl and you'll find that basically any day in work is covered by the definition "duty":D)
As a fellow mullingar resident I thought you'd know that Kermit!

You never got the letter that D Admin (or some other D) that stated that commuting to/from work in uniform is not a toll exemption then?

SIRREX

kermit_ie wrote: »

You never got the letter that D Admin (or some other D) that stated that commuting to/from work in uniform is not a toll exemption then?

I think that's probably just his interpertation of this, but when the road opened a few lads were charged until I gave them a copy of the by-laws to stick under the nose of anyone who tried to charge them, no problems since then as long as uniform is worn.

However there is a letter on the noticeboard in the detail office today explaining that all DF vehicles have been registered with the toll authority and that in future anyone using the bridge in their civvi car will be charged whether in uniform or not.

kermit_ie

SIRREX wrote: »

I think that's probably just his interpertation of this, but when the road opened a few lads were charged until I gave them a copy of the by-laws to stick under the nose of anyone who tried to charge them, no problems since then as long as uniform is worn.

However there is a letter on the noticeboard in the detail office today explaining that all DF vehicles have been registered with the toll authority and that in future anyone using the bridge in their civvi car will be charged whether in uniform or not.

Aye. People in Civvie cars could go through any toll for free, with the exception of the East Link, who wouldn't let them through. The others just didn't care...