Can the mods ban/delete all these Which Gun Threads?

Frank the Manc

as above its very tiresome and almost summounts to spam.
there are many places to find a review of a gun/s you like, if you cant decide after that then buy both or buy none, if you need anonymous internet uses to help you decide they you are missing something i think.

anyone else of the same opinion?

Tigger

i'm willing to bet that if you were to go tto the beginning of this forum which what why threads would be verycommon
this seems to me to be the second wave of airsoft and posters are simply looking for advice

something strange about becomming jaded so soon

course improbably wrong

Flecktarn

Well I need some advice and cant find a good review but I see where your coming from.

Shiva

I agree.....delete all those threads. That's not what Internet discussion forums are for. You can find this information anywhere on the 'net.

We should also ban the threads about the skirmish sites. Sure you can talk to the other site users at the site if you want to discuss the merits of each site.
If you need directions, call the sites direct, and stop wasting this discussion forum to discuss things like that.

And another thing, if I or any other user wanted information about any of the retailers, all they have to do is use the "Contact Us" details on the websites of each retailer, or even call them up to ask questions. We dont need to clutter up a discussion forum with that nonsense.

I'm also sick and tired of seeing threads where people talk about current news in the airsoft world - that's the kind of thing that you can find on the Internet too. Ban those type of threads.

Look...as I think about it....I think we should just ban the discussion of airsoft full stop - this Airsoft Discussion Forum isn't here for that kind of nonsense ! If you want to talk about airsoft, go find some other place on the 'net to do it - You're just spamming this discussion forum with your discussions.

The Master

If you dont want to read them just ignore them.

Frank the Manc

im not havin a go at you but these threads seem to crop up far more often than actual useful or anyway interesting threads.

this forum seems to be dying a slow drawn out death recently, which is a shame as there was a time when the front page of boards would always have one if not two new threads/post fromt the airsoft forum, theres nearly more activity in the paintball forum.

if you need a review try arniesairsoft, airsoftretreat, airsoft-barracks, airsoftcanada, justpistols.co.uk, redwoldairsoft, as far as i know these are all listed in the newbie sticky.

if there is a gun out there any lenght of time, there is a review out there for it also.

kdouglas

Do you not see the irony in complaining about these "Which Gun Threads" spamming the forum and then posting this thread yourself?

If you want to contact the mods, there's a perfectly good PM function.

In relation to the which gun threads, quite often I move them to the newbie thread if/when I see them, but sometimes, like the one or two that are there already, they have gone on to a second page by the time I see them, so I decide to leave them where they are rather than mess up the flow of the discussion which is in that thread.

Stercus Accidit

The Master wrote: »

If you dont want to read them just ignore them.

Who's this noob, out of our secret forum!


@franc: yeah you've a point, this forum is less lively but more rules and what not to do's will quicken that decline. Having new players ask about the gear gives the regulars something to do, answer them and give an opinion on a gun, sure they could read reviews, I imagine they do anyway, but who doesn't want an opinion from the players themselves.

Frank the Manc

Shiva wrote: »

I agree.....delete all those threads. That's not what Internet discussion forums are for. You can find this information anywhere on the 'net.

We should also ban the threads about the skirmish sites. Sure you can talk to the other site users at the site if you want to discuss the merits of each site.
If you need directions, call the sites direct, and stop wasting this discussion forum to discuss things like that.

And another thing, if I or any other user wanted information about any of the retailers, all they have to do is use the "Contact Us" details on the websites of each retailer, or even call them up to ask questions. We dont need to clutter up a discussion forum with that nonsense.

I'm also sick and tired of seeing threads where people talk about current news in the airsoft world - that's the kind of thing that you can find on the Internet too. Ban those type of threads.

Look...as I think about it....I think we should just ban the discussion of airsoft full stop - this Airsoft Discussion Forum isn't here for that kind of nonsense ! If you want to talk about airsoft, go find some other place on the 'net to do it - You're just spamming this discussion forum with your discussions.

lets not get pedantic here.
if you ned to ask about a skirmish site or retailer they all have a dedicated thread so there are not a million and one questions cloggin up page one.

i believe that there is a dedicated newbie question thread for these type of questiosns also

NakedDex

The whole point of these forums is so that people can be informed about airsoft. For those who have been in the game a while, it's not often you find out something on these boards you haven't already read or been told. However, for those just starting, or who haven't even started yet but want to, this place is a goldmine of information with dozens of regular contributors who are all willing to give advice on just about any and every airsoft topic there could be.
Ok, "which guns" threads can be a tiny bit annoying when the same topic name crops up several times in one week, but, in fairness, they're asking a valid question and deserve an answer. Your idea to "buy both or none" is rather ridiculous given that the average price of the choices these people have is 100+ euro. Buy none excludes them from the sport based on people being too lazy and/or xenophobic to give information or opinions. Buying both isn't an option for even most airsoft vet's.

Fact is, we all need a bit of information from time to time. Some people prefer reading reviews, others prefer hearing it from people they know or who have played against.

While I don't think they should be halted, I do see an argument for moving them to the Troubleshooting/Reviews sub-forum.

Tigger

Frank the Manc wrote: »

lets not get pedantic here.
if you ned to ask about a skirmish site or retailer they all have a dedicated thread so there are not a million and one questions cloggin up page one.

i believe that there is a dedicated newbie question thread for these type of questiosns also

if i want to know about something i ask someone i';ve met

their opinion is more important than some yank on you tube

Frank the Manc

kdouglas wrote: »

Do you not see the irony in complaining about these "Which Gun Threads" spamming the forum and then posting this thread yourself?
How so? i dont find it ironic at all.

If you want to contact the mods, there's a perfectly good PM function.
I wasnt tring to contact the mods, i was inviting discussion from other users about the situation.

In relation to the which gun threads, quite often I move them to the newbie thread if/when I see them, but sometimes, like the one or two that are there already, they have gone on to a second page by the time I see them, so I decide to leave them where they are rather than mess up the flow of the discussion which is in that thread.
Thats fair enough

Motosam wrote: »

Who's this noob, out of our secret forum!


@franc: yeah you've a point, this forum is less lively but more rules and what not to do's will quicken that decline. Having new players ask about the gear gives the regulars something to do, answer them and give an opinion on a gun, sure they could read reviews, I imagine they do anyway, but who doesn't want an opinion from the players themselves.

i understand that but there is the review section and newbie thread for that.
putting up a poll so you can "decide" which gun you want to buy is ridiculous.
if you asked were there any downsides witha particular model or such, then i wouldnt have a problem with it, but when i see a thread with "Which Gun" as a title, i instinctly do not go into it.
they are doin themselves a disservice by titling it as such.

IRISH RAIL

Keep them there
but I say tidy up the really old ones like hrta and eirsoft there so long now maybe leave the last 4 pages and start again with them

Tigger

how about a new players / questions subforum

Spectreon666

Isn't the whole point of having a forum is to discuss or ask advice on different matters. Alot of new people to airsoft come onto this site for either quick advice or accurate advice. Reviews on most airsoft sites are schmuck. For example, I was on an airsoft site the other day and I looked up reviews on some rifles. Some people said, yeah it is a deadly rifle or whatever, other people just go on and on about costing too much, its a rip off such and such!!
This forum has helped me a good deal as im pretty new to airsofting and maybe don't know alot about it so I look up stuff here and most of it is efficient information that you wouldn't get elsewhere. By people who actually airsoft and share their experiences with different rifles and components, whats good for what etc!! So whoever are against it and yet posted reviews and such and yet say they don't want people to do it then they are being a tad bit too hypocritical!!!

Masada

kdouglas wrote: »

Do you not see the irony in complaining about these "Which Gun Threads" spamming the forum and then posting this thread yourself?

thats exactly what i thought and mentioned to DOC when i read the title of this thread,.,:)

Frank the Manc

NakedDex wrote: »

The whole point of these forums is so that people can be informed about airsoft. For those who have been in the game a while, it's not often you find out something on these boards you haven't already read or been told. However, for those just starting, or who haven't even started yet but want to, this place is a goldmine of information with dozens of regular contributors who are all willing to give advice on just about any and every airsoft topic there could be.
Ok, "which guns" threads can be a tiny bit annoying when the same topic name crops up several times in one week, but, in fairness, they're asking a valid question and deserve an answer. Your idea to "buy both or none" is rather ridiculous given that the average price of the choices these people have is 100+ euro. Buy none excludes them from the sport based on people being too lazy and/or xenophobic to give information or opinions. Buying both isn't an option for even most airsoft vet's.

Fact is, we all need a bit of information from time to time. Some people prefer reading reviews, others prefer hearing it from people they know or who have played against.

While I don't think they should be halted, I do see an argument for moving them to the Troubleshooting/Reviews sub-forum.

i think that if you need someone else to pick your gun for you then it isnt really your gun is it?

ok ill admit that deleting or banning is probably a bit extreme but something is surely better that the same thing re-appearing time and time again.

is there any way of encouraging more people to actually review the guns that they own, even if they are not full of pretty pictures or 2000words, just a simple, solid weighing up of thr pros and cons of the item.

perhaps restricting access to adverts unless you have reviewed the item youre selling.
its just an idea so dont bite my head off if it is impractical.

i have numerous friends who have given up on this forum of late and the most common complaint is lack of new material or the same old stupid threads.

Tigger wrote: »

if i want to know about something i ask someone i';ve met

their opinion is more important than some yank on you tube

i agree 100%, but there are british sites where you can get a more down to earth and applicable review. there are very good reviews out there fro almost every gun, maybe not all the gear but definitely the guns.

Tigger

Frank the Manc wrote: »

perhaps restricting access to adverts unless you have reviewed the item youre selling.
its just an idea so dont bite my head off if it is impractical.

i.

watch out or you'll be sent to feedback

Frank the Manc

Tigger wrote: »

watch out or you'll be sent to feedback

i dont think that this is an issue for the lolcat brigade to be honest, im just looking for opinions on the matter.

NakedDex

Frank the Manc wrote: »

when i see a thread with "Which Gun" as a title, i instinctly do not go into it.

So you seem to be the only one with a problem with these threads, yet you don't view them. I'm not seeing a problem here anymore...

Frank the Manc wrote: »

i think that if you need someone else to pick your gun for you then it isnt really your gun is it?

Yeah, it pretty much is. They're not asking to pick the gun for them, they're asking an opinion. If you were buying a car would you blindly go out and buy whatever one you like the look of if someone you knew owned one and advised otherwise?
People ask questions to gain information on certain things. The people who put up polls have clearly narrowed their choices and are just asking what the popular opinion between the two choices are.

I have no problem answering peoples questions, I actively encourage it to new players. It's the people who don't ask questions I worry about.

fayer

NakedDex wrote: »

I have no problem answering peoples questions, I actively encourage it to new players. It's the people who don't ask questions I worry about.

+1

Frank the Manc

NakedDex wrote: »

So you seem to be the only one with a problem with these threads, yet you don't view them. I'm not seeing a problem here anymore...

The only one that is posting here at the moment, but i am definitely not alone i can assure you of that.



Yeah, it pretty much is. They're not asking to pick the gun for them, they're asking an opinion. If you were buying a car would you blindly go out and buy whatever one you like the look of if someone you knew owned one and advised otherwise?
People ask questions to gain information on certain things. The people who put up polls have clearly narrowed their choices and are just asking what the popular opinion between the two choices are.

I have no problem answering peoples questions, I actively encourage it to new players. It's the people who don't ask questions I worry about.

no i would go out and read as much as i could about it and talk to people thta i actually know in real life as opposed to faceless people on the net with god knows what qualifications or knowledge.

and i sure as f*ck wouldt put up a poll for popular vote.
i have no problems asking or answerng questions but im not goin to vote as to which gun an individual should get.

NakedDex

Well this is where things become very different to regular net users you see. Most of the people on here know each other personally or through another person. The few new people who don't know someone on here yet, will, as soon as they make it to their first skirmish or turn up to one of the stores.
The internet is a faceless beast, but airsoft is not. Everyone here already does, or at some stage will, either know each other or at least have met on occasion.
This isn't WoW, we do see each other offline regularly.
Unlike many other online communities, we're people, not usernames.

Puding

and i sure as f*ck wouldt put up a poll for popular vote.
i have no problems asking or answering questions but im not goin to vote as to which gun an individual should get.

what is the problem each to there own, the forums allow the threads to be made and and votes to be added if someone wants to use these tool and things they will be helpful then what is the problem with that?

i think the Q&A done on boards.ie is one of the most useful areas compared to come of the other rubbish that is put up, what i get annoyed at is 'what is the best gun' questions that are completely open ended, if someone is asking for experience on an item or comparing item then whats the harm.

The news thing you mentioned is another issues, i do believe a collective news thread would be more useful than the collective of small threads we get poping up for every new item that appears on ebaybanned.

bullets

I've skipped to the bottoms of all/most of the replys just to give my own input.
Most of the bickering has probably been done already :P:P:P

Even if there is a newbie thread people that are new to airsoft are going to ask
questions that Veteran Airsofters will be sick to death of seeing.
Cant just start Locking there treads over someone new trying to start
of an a conversation and start to get to know people/users.

A lot of people surf during work time and cannot be seen going into websites
with Gun like objects on them out of Work Policy or Political Correctness.

A LOT! of the great sites related to airsoft are often
Banned or Blocked by surfwatch/firewalls in peoples place of work.

I cant access arnies or airsofteire and quite a few other airsoft related webpages
in work.....

For the likes of myself and others who waste some time at work surfing
boards.ie is a practical place to go to ask questions and get information.

Its not blocked.
If your Boss catches you surfing it does not look as bad.
Its Irish related. Which is important due to the 1j limit here etc.

~B

gerrowadat

Frank the Manc wrote: »

as above its very tiresome and almost summounts to spam.
there are many places to find a review of a gun/s you like, if you cant decide after that then buy both or buy none, if you need anonymous internet uses to help you decide they you are missing something i think.

anyone else of the same opinion?

This is an internet discussion forum, so the theory is that there are folks out there that are only too happy to help n00bs out (they helped me out when I were a lad, and they continue to do so). Most of the threads I've seen have been less about "What aeg should I get" and more about "I've narrowed my choices down to this shortlist, does anyone have any pitfalls/advice/am I being stupid".

This kind of thread is exactly what a discussion group is for, since you'll get offhand info from people who've used the guns, and who havent been sent a free one to review :-)

The threads like the newbie thread are pretty daunting, and tbh I reckon a lot of the info on there belongs on a wiki. I'd be happy to set one up if people are interested in keeping a collaborative source of info on Irish Airsoft.

Tigger

gerrowadat wrote: »

This is an internet discussion forum, so the theory is that there are folks out there that are only too happy to help n00bs out (they helped me out when I were a lad, and they continue to do so). Most of the threads I've seen have been less about "What aeg should I get" and more about "I've narrowed my choices down to this shortlist, does anyone have any pitfalls/advice/am I being stupid".

This kind of thread is exactly what a discussion group is for, since you'll get offhand info from people who've used the guns, and who havent been sent a free one to review :-)

The threads like the newbie thread are pretty daunting, and tbh I reckon a lot of the info on there belongs on a wiki. I'd be happy to set one up if people are interested in keeping a collaborative source of info on Irish Airsoft.

airsoft wiki yeay

Masada

bullets wrote: »

Cant just start Locking there treads over someone new trying to start
of an a conversation and start to get to know people/users.

yep i aree,

locking a thread because its a new person whos asked would make us and the person locking it look like elitest bastards.,;)

Witcher

vtec wrote: »

yep i aree,

locking a thread because its a new person whos asked would make us and the person locking it look like elitest bastards.,;)

I thought that was what we wanted :eek:

Feck I've been wrong all along :pac:

Miscreant

I was of the opinion that this was a "free" forum (within the forum rules of course). Someone should be able to put up a thread asking for advice on the differences between two airsoft devices, tactical vests or whatever without looking at another thread that is asking for topics such as theirs to be banned.

If you don't want to look at a post from someone looking for Advice on what to choose then don't click on the link. I am pretty sure some big, white bearded guy in heaven allegedly gave us free will for just this sort of thing.

Frank the Manc

as i have said before, the title of this thread may be a little excessive, but i do believe that if new members to the sport have the same questons, that are asked repeatedly, such questions should be asked in the newbie thread.

i am in no way against the asking of questions, no matter how rudimentary, im just a little annoyed by seemingly frivolous threads.

gandalf

Nope I for one would be against banning these threads.

However until someone tries out an AEG then they don't know which is best for them.

The best advice for someone new is to go to the local skirmish site, rent a gun for your first game and try out everyones gun at the skirmish. You'll only know then which one fits your grip and feels comfortable. Once you have an idea of the type of AEG you can then check out which make etc to go for.

Keggers

Frank the Manc wrote: »

as i have said before, the title of this thread may be a little excessive, but i do believe that if new members to the sport have the same questons, that are asked repeatedly, such questions should be asked in the newbie thread.

i am in no way against the asking of questions, no matter how rudimentary, im just a little annoyed by seemingly frivolous threads.

Because there is a shortage of threads and we can't be wasting our precious supplies so frivolously!:rolleyes: We were all noobs once:P

NakedDex

I'd just like to ask how these "frivolous threads" actually annoy you given:

Frank the Manc wrote: »

when i see a thread with "Which Gun" as a title, i instinctly do not go into it.

Surely if you don't actually enter the thread or read them in any shape or form beyond the title, it couldn't possibly annoy you?
Everyone else seems to, not only be perfectly happy with their existence, but supports their existence and replies with the respect the person with the query deserves.

Knowledge is power after all.