Batman Begins plot holes - Spoilers ahead

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Watched Batman Begins on Sky one the other night. While I am a big batman fan, I have to ask, was it really that good a movie? It's littered with plot holes, while thats to be expected in a comic book movies, this was trying to separate itself from these types of movies.

Tank like cars driving on roofs.
microwave emitters to vaporise the water, with no effects on the populace (%90 water).
Just "loosing" the Narrows, an entire area of the city,
Batman destroying a transit system his father spent years building with out a second thought.
Not killing Raj Al Gul,just not saving him? That would be killing him.

The best think I think about Batman Begins, is that it freed up the second movie to get right into the better characters. While Im not crazy about Bale as Wane (I think he is a bit overrated) I am looking forward to the best portrayal of the Joker on the big screen. (Jack N's was fine, but they were going somewhere else with that)

pvt.joker

Its a film. Its not real life FFS

aidan_walsh

Not killing Raj Al Gul,just not saving him? That would be killing him.

Or, pedantically, leaving him to die rather than doing the actual killing.

chin_grin

microwave emitters to vaporise the water, with no effects on the populace (%90 water).

This annoyed the bejesus out of me too. That and the plot ("they're heading for the MAINS, THE MAINS!!!") was spelled out to the audience about three times in the space of twenty minutes. Don't know why people like this! But to give it some merit, it's the closest live action has come to get the feel of the cartoon.

oxygen

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Batman destroying a transit system his father spent years building with out a second thought.

I'd imagine he could afford to fix it later.

evad_lhorg

yak yak yak, still better than all the other batman movies so far.

Fysh

To be fair:

1) Destroying part of the city infrastructure was a lesser evil compared to allowing the Plot Device Microwave Weapon kill everyone.
2) There is a distinct moral difference between actively killing someone and passively allowing them to die through inaction. One involves actively depriving the person of their life, the other involves allowing external circumstances to kill them without being involved one way or another. (Yes, I know, Batman had told Jim Gordon to shoot the supporting structure. But Ra's had concocted the whole plan to begin with so arguably it was a consequence of his own actions that killed him, and frankly if you're looking for subtle shades of grey in an investigation of morality then superhero material is probably not the place to look, unless you're looking at the original Watchmen comic).

The tank/car driving on the roof and the microwave weapon still annoyed me, but tbh it's an action film. Most of them don't stand up to that kind of scrutiny. (Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a good thing - intelligent action flicks are great but all too rare an occurrence, sadly...)

humanji

Maybe I haven't been pedantic enough tonight, but are any of those actual plot holes?

Tank like cars driving on roofs.

A bit silly, but not a plot hole. As Fysh said, it's an action film. This sort of thing is expected to happen.

microwave emitters to vaporise the water, with no effects on the populace (%90 water).

This could kind of be a plot hole, but we're never told how it works, only that it was designed to vapourise enemies water supplies. And it did. Maybe the guys who created it managed to get past the "evapourating people" thing?

Just "loosing" the Narrows, an entire area of the city,

From what I gathered, when the chief said that, he wasn't saying it was disappearing, he was saying that they were loosing control of the situation.

Batman destroying a transit system his father spent years building with out a second thought.

If you had a choice between destroying something your dad built or allowing the population of an entire city to be wiped out, would you honestly sit and ponder the choice?

Not killing Raj Al Gul,just not saving him? That would be killing him.

As Fysh said, there is a difference to killing someone and allowing them to die. In fairness, the decision fits in with the darker Batman comics. And besides, it's not a plothole, more a character flaw.

You've got gripes with the film, that doesn't make them plot holes.

watna

The fact that when he went to the opera with this parents it was in a big posh opera theatre but when they left it was by a crappy side door and then the operahouse seemed to be in the dodgiest part of gotham.

Thought that was a bit weird myself. Although it's not a major thing i suppose!

THFC1

oxygen wrote: »

Watched Batman Begins on Sky one the other night. While I am a big batman fan, I have to ask, was it really that good a movie? It's littered with plot holes, while thats to be expected in a comic book movies, this was trying to separate itself from these types of movies.

Tank like cars driving on roofs.
microwave emitters to vaporise the water, with no effects on the populace (%90 water).
Just "loosing" the Narrows, an entire area of the city,
Batman destroying a transit system his father spent years building with out a second thought.
Not killing Raj Al Gul,just not saving him? That would be killing him.

The best think I think about Batman Begins, is that it freed up the second movie to get right into the better characters. While Im not crazy about Bale as Wane (I think he is a bit overrated) I am looking forward to the best portrayal of the Joker on the big screen. (Jack N's was fine, but they were going somewhere else with that)

I think that you've got...just too much time on your hands.
It's a movie for christsakes.:rolleyes:

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Sorry, you hurt my brain.:rolleyes:

BopNiblets

watna wrote: »

The fact that when he went to the opera with this parents it was in a big posh opera theatre but when they left it was by a crappy side door and then the operahouse seemed to be in the dodgiest part of gotham.

Thought that was a bit weird myself. Although it's not a major thing i suppose!

I think the point was that ALL of Gotham is dodgy, that's why Batman starts beating the crap out of people, they're all baaaaaad!

MrVestek

Omg plot holes in Batman? I think the biggest plot hole in the movie is the fact that some dude that is psychologicly disturbed enough to dress up in a bat suit doesn't get locked up for being a mental case.

Seriously it's a film for christ sake, just enjoy it.

Parrish_Crooks

I know the 'Joe Chill' story is more true to the comic book, but I think thay should have stayed with the Jack Napier/Joker storyline introduced in the 1989 Batman as the murderer of his parents. JUst a personal opinion though.

Ivan

I always assumed that the microwave weapon was shielded and designed to fire down. Like a Microwave with the door open thats aimed down and has a Super-Crispy setting.

The "tank" clearly wasnt a tank, it was an ATV designed with speed and traction in mind. If any vehicle could jump from rooftop to rooftop its that. And isnt there a bit in the 90's movies where the Batmobile fires a grappling hook at the roof and then drives up the wall of a skyscraper?

The Jack Napier thing was rubbish imho, it was fine for the film but its not canon, in fact is the opposite of canon, just being something that the director/writters made up on the spur of the moment.
Yes it worked well, but not enough to fault another movie for using it also.

Batman Begins is far from perfect, certainly isnt the second coming as it has often been heralded as... but its a very solid and enjoyable comic to movie adaptation. Something that seems to be in short supply these last few years.

Duggy747

ivan wrote:

Batman Begins is far from perfect, certainly isnt the second coming as it has often been heralded as... but its a very solid and enjoyable comic to movie adaptation. Something that seems to be in short supply these last few years

Pfft, clearly you haven't seen Nick Fury, then!