Henry Shefflin, Joe Canning or Eoin Kelly (Tipp)

CyberDave

Just wonder if people think Canning is now the best hurler in the country ahead of the Shefflin and Kelly? He may not have achieved what they have but he definitely has ability.

Feel free to suggest other players like Ken McGrath, Eddie Brennan. These are just the three I consider the most skillful.

buck65

Colin Lynch has really had a good ~Chpshp this year.
Shefflin is the master, Canning could be in time. Eoin Kelly is a great player too.

UnitedIrishman

I have only seen two of these live to be fair (Shefflin and Canning) and one of them was in a club game but IMO, Canning is the best hurler I've ever seen. Not many players can do what he can and his scoring tallies are massive.

Boots09

I think its a little early to say hes better than Shefflin and Kelly but he does lok a fantastic prospect, if only Galway had a couple more of him!!:D

premierstone

They all have different qualities, I think shefflin is the more athlethic of the 3, Canning would have the best physique and power and Kelly is probably the most skillfull, cud you imagine the 3 of them as a full forward line :eek:

buck65

Conor Plunkett would mark the 3 of them- no prob

hughes2558

Id say canning will be the best of the three but I would still put shefflin and kelly ahead of him fo now. He seems to be a good role model too he was signing autographs at the end of the game on saturday

CyberDave

buck65 wrote: »

Conor Plunkett would mark the 3 of them- no prob

I'm sure he would. He couldn't handle Séamus Callinan last Sunday.

Nickibaby*

Still think Henry Shefflin would be the best

Orizio

Might as well throw in a couple of Cork names, Tom Kenny or Ronan Curran? Brick Walsh was fantastic last year as well.

TBH I'd say Eoin Kelly. Consistently incredible.

Pride Fighter

David O'Callaghan.

Orizio

Orizio wrote: »

TBH I'd say Eoin Kelly. Consistently incredible.

Except for last year.

mousey007

shefflin...been there and done it

Damo.Smith

eoin kelly for the way he has carried an average team for so many years

Pigletlover

peterswellman wrote: »

Except for last year.

Is that when he was left on the bench??

premierstone

Pigletlover wrote: »

Is that when he was left on the bench??

Exactly, that was when babs was afraid he might steal the limelight from him, worked out well for babs really :rolleyes:

HalloweenJack

I can't see past the two Eoin Kellys right now.

Kelly's goal for Tipp in the Cork match was just what he does, he can carry the team and he's there when needed.

Then, you look at Kelly's scores for Waterford the other day against Offaly. I think it was 2-11 in the end, add to that he scored 2-3 against Antrim a few weeks ago. Another player who can carry the team.

i'm also a big fan of John Mullane.

jebuz

Out of those, Shefflin stands out for me, purely for his consistency and class every season. He absolutely dominates games and I would completely agree with an ealier poster about his superior athletic ability.

I think It's too early to compare Canning with Shefflin but Canning is looking like he's going to dominate the next few years of hurling. He has an unearthly ability to find the posts from any position on the field, very impressed with him against Cork last weekend and looking forward to seeing more of him.

Oh and Eoin Kelly, yeah he's good too

phase-3

It was always John Mullane as he lights the game up when he gets his first score. Ater being at the match last week (Galway v cork) I thought Canning was the best hurler I have ever seen. He has it all, touch, skill, vision, strength and speed. Remember, he's only like 20. I dont think Shefflin made such an impact at that age. Like 2-11 or what ever he got. He carried the Galway team and he probably was the youngest lad on the field!

CyberDave

HalloweenJack wrote: »

I can't see past the two Eoin Kellys right now.

Kelly's goal for Tipp in the Cork match was just what he does, he can carry the team and he's there when needed.

Then, you look at Kelly's scores for Waterford the other day against Offaly. I think it was 2-11 in the end, add to that he scored 2-3 against Antrim a few weeks ago. Another player who can carry the team.

i'm also a big fan of John Mullane.

Surely if you re talking about a player carrying a team you have to include Canning.

CyberDave

phase-3 wrote: »

Ater being at the match last week (Galway v cork) I thought Canning was the best hurler I have ever seen. He has it all, touch, skill, vision, strength and speed. Remember, he's only like 20. I dont think Shefflin made such an impact at that age.

Shefflin wasn't an exceptional underage player. Canning has the raw talent but he if he puts in the work Shefflin has he can get even better.

megadodge

I can't see past the two Eoin Kellys right now.

I have no problem with Tipp's Eoin Kelly being included as he has consistently being racking up big scores for years with a very average team.

But Waterford's Eoin Kelly is the epitome of inconsistency. Being a great player is about doing it virtually all the time, not once every 3 or 4 games and getting booked and frustrated when he is having yet another disappointing day.

Arion Online

Tipps Eoin Kelly for me

homerjay2005

on current form, canning is the best. who cares about what age he is or what the others have done, if you were to pick one player to add to your team, it would be canning for me. immense player, its shocking how good he is to be honest.

CyberDave

megadodge wrote: »

Waterford's Eoin Kelly is the epitome of inconsistency. Being a great player is about doing it virtually all the time, not once every 3 or 4 games and getting booked and frustrated when he is having yet another disappointing day.

Kelly has a problem with his temperament and this is what prevents him being truly great.

JHMEG

CyberDave wrote: »

Kelly has a problem with his temperament and this is what prevents him being truly great.

Kelly has a problem with his temperament and this is what makes him truly entertaining.

CyberDave

JHMEG wrote: »

Kelly has a problem with his temperament and this is what makes him truly entertaining.

It's also what stops him getting his hands on Liam.

yahoo_moe

CyberDave wrote: »

It's also what stops him getting his hands on Liam.

Same goes for a few of the Waterford hurlers - he's not the only thing that's prevented them from turning those almosts into successes over the last couple of years. In fact, he's been a big part of getting them to those nearly situations (but point taken, he hasn't done it every game)

JHMEG

CyberDave wrote: »

It's also what stops him getting his hands on Liam.

I thought it was by-and-large Justin McCarthy that did that.

CyberDave

JHMEG wrote: »

I thought it was by-and-large Justin McCarthy that did that.

Justin McCarthy did a lot for the Waterford hurling. I don't remember them winning much before he took the job.

JHMEG

CyberDave wrote: »

Justin McCarthy did a lot for the Waterford hurling. I don't remember them winning much before he took the job.

They had all won the AI as minors a few years earlier. Flynn, Browne and Co. Success at senior level was pretty much guaranteed.. JMC brought them a few Munsters and no more.

thirdmantackle

which they hadn't won for donkey's years

CyberDave

JHMEG wrote: »

They had all won the AI as minors a few years earlier. Flynn, Browne and Co. Success at senior level was pretty much guaranteed.. JMC brought them a few Munsters and no more.

Underage success doesn't always guarantee senior success, Galway and Limerick are a prime examples. Justin McCarthy (as well as Gerald McCarthy to a lesser extent before him) had a major part in improving Waterford. Maybe he should heave left the job earlier, by himself, without the controversy he enentually left with, but he had invested so much in the Waterford team he didn't want to leave. The fact he didn't want to leave tells you how much faith he still had in the team that he built.

Utopia Parkway

Without a doubt Joe Canning is the best young hurler I've ever seen. At his age undoubtably better than both Shefflin and Kelly were at that age.

How his career progresses who knows but if I had to pick one of them now I'd pick Canning simply because he's still only 19. His potential is scary.

monosharp

Eoin Kelly for pure skill is the best at the moment. Shefflin very close.

Canning imo will probably be better then either of them. But at the moment, you can't compare him. Even though hes fantastic and the best underage talent I've ever seen. He still only has one year of senior hurling under his belt.

Too soon to put him up with Shefflin and Kelly.

VH

Eoin Kelly has the highest total score and the highest average score (13 pts a game) in this year's championship, as well as having had an excellent year last year.

Move over Eoin Kelly (Tipp) - there's a new Eoin Kelly in town.

premierstone

VH wrote: »

Eoin Kelly has the highest total score and the highest average score (13 pts a game) in this year's championship, as well as having had an excellent year last year.

Move over Eoin Kelly (Tipp) - there's a new Eoin Kelly in town.

Now all he has to do is re-produce it for the next 7 years and you can compare the two

rm_2008

eoin kelly for tipp was a ghost last sun. only scored 0-2!!! eoin kelly for waterford clearly playin the best hurlin at the mo.absolute legend!!

premierstone

rm_2008 wrote: »

eoin kelly for tipp was a ghost last sun. only scored 0-2!!! eoin kelly for waterford clearly playin the best hurlin at the mo.absolute legend!!

Exactly, greatness cannot be judged on one game or one season for that matter, if he can consistenly match that for a couple of seasons back to back then he can be considered a great hurler, also look at the forwards Tipps Eoin Kelly has had with him since 2001, look at his minor, u-21, fitzgibbon and Club records

BOSTIK

JHMEG wrote: »

They had all won the AI as minors a few years earlier. Flynn, Browne and Co. Success at senior level was pretty much guaranteed.. JMC brought them a few Munsters and no more.

Not true. They won an U21 All-Ireland in 1992 and since then had won just a Munster U21 title till the 2 McCarthys showed up. Their achievements at senior level since the 2002 season have been phenomenal, especially considering the preceding 10-15 years.

hawkwing

rm_2008 wrote: »

eoin kelly for tipp was a ghost last sun. only scored 0-2!!! eoin kelly for waterford clearly playin the best hurlin at the mo.absolute legend!!

Eoin WFD scored 1-02 v. Tipp, goal was a tap in.Eoin Kelly Tipp i'm sorry to say is hardly recognisable from the player he was 3 seasons ago, pace completely gone, usually that doesn't come back but i hope it will.

premierstone

hawkwing wrote: »

Eoin WFD scored 1-02 v. Tipp, goal was a tap in.Eoin Kelly Tipp i'm sorry to say is hardly recognisable from the player he was 3 seasons ago, pace completely gone, usually that doesn't come back but i hope it will.

He was never really bleesed with pace in fairness but your right it has been gettin worse, its why im blue in the face in telling people he should be playing centre forward, hopefully they will at least try it next year in the league.

Most games are lost as a direct result of the oppositions half back line, which is inevitably controlled by the centre back, now if the centre back had to contend with Eoin Kelly i dont think they would be able to dominate a game, also he's lack of pace would be largely irrelevant at centre forward and the real clincher for me is have you seen he's trademark over the shoulder points with the back to goal

Bduffman

BOSTIK wrote: »

Not true. They won an U21 All-Ireland in 1992 and since then had won just a Munster U21 title till the 2 McCarthys showed up. Their achievements at senior level since the 2002 season have been phenomenal, especially considering the preceding 10-15 years.

Do ye not think the players had something to do with that? Its great to think that a manager comes along and makes everything great - but that only happens if the players are there. I just think Waterford may well have won more if McCarthy had left sooner. At least Gerald Mc knew when to get out for the sake of the team.

BIG-SLICK-POKER

Ken Mc Grath always performs to a level beyond belief

happydayz182

i dont think anyone can argue that in terms of pure skill eoin kelly(tipp) is the best in the country

But sheff has a bigger influence though he is in a better team

CyberDave

happydayz182 wrote: »

i dont think anyone can argue that in terms of pure skill eoin kelly(tipp) is the best in the country

With ball in hand, Kelly is definitely a great player, but he seems to have lost a few yards of pace over the last couple of years, so he doesn't get on the ball as much. I thought this was very evident in the Waterford game. He was good in the first half and kind of faded out of the game as it progressed. He wasn't involved much in the play in the second half. It's a shame he has spent most of his time on bad Tipp teams and because of that has only won one AI medal.

Daysha

Out of those 3, I'd pick Canning.

But I still mantain that Ken McGrath is the best hurler in the country.

istabraq

On what basis are you making that assumption.Blue and white goggles?????

CyberDave

deise59 wrote: »

Out of those 3, I'd pick Canning.

But I still mantain that Ken McGrath is the best hurler in the country.

Definitely wearing those goggles. I definitely tink Canning has a bit to do before he reaches Shefflins level and that is coming from a Galway man. Not discrediting McGrath, he is a great player. When Seamus Callinan was moved in on him last weekend, he caused some problems when he ran at McGrath. McGrath has one attrbute the other three don't have, which is that heis more versatile and can play both in defence and attack. We wil have a chance to see if he is the best in the country on September 7th he will be up against one of the three mentioned in the title of this post.

Daysha

istabraq wrote: »

On what basis are you making that assumption.Blue and white goggles?????

It's not an assumption. It's an opinion. There's a difference.