Custom Rifle

raptorman

Hi All,

I'm tossing around the idea of putting together a custom rifle and was wondering who I should talk to about it as regards sourcing components and pricing to see if its a feasable option for me.
I remember an article in Irish Shooters Digest about a guy down south thats deals in custom rifles, I cant find the magazine at the mo.
Any ideas would be great! Thanks.

Rovi

raptorman wrote: »

I remember an article in Irish Shooters Digest about a guy down south thats deals in custom rifles, I cant find the magazine at the mo.

That's probably John Greene of Southern Rifle and Optics, in Waterford.

It wasn't me!

Anyone know his pricing? Just out of curiosity really.

jwshooter

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Anyone know his pricing? Just out of curiosity really.

peter jackson rifles has sako actions for sale he also sell stocks ,john lambert has a custom sako with a match grade lother walter barrel on a mcmillan stock ,olive ,black ,grey,in 25.06.he might sell it .i just have got back my sako with a match grade lother walther barrel in a heavy sporter barrel also got a mussel brake made for it finished in dura coat matt black and got a new proof done on it too,ordered a mc millan olive and black mable varmint stock should have it any day ,its shooing one hole group with all ammo iv shot through it and its a .270 steve kershaw done the work ,his work is out standing .i shot 6.5x284 on a nesika bay action steve built savage groups also

quigley

John Greene put together a superb rifle for me: 22-250 , Remington Action, Krieger bull barrel, Jewell trigger, Accuracy International Stock, 10 rd mag, suppressor. 1/4 inch at 100yds. QD Mounts. Bolt face lapped, The Dogs B......x!! Super riflesmith, who knows rifles.:D

Anyone considering a one-off should talk to him.

.243

i put my custom up on the hardware section john just finished

ballistic

jwshooter wrote: »

peter jackson rifles has sako actions for sale he also sell stocks ,john lambert has a custom sako with a match grade lother walter barrel on a mcmillan stock ,olive ,black ,grey,in 25.06.he might sell it .i just have got back my sako with a match grade lother walther barrel in a heavy sporter barrel also got a mussel brake made for it finished in dura coat matt black and got a new proof done on it too,ordered a mc millan olive and black mable varmint stock should have it any day ,its shooing one hole group with all ammo iv shot through it and its a .270 steve kershaw done the work ,his work is out standing .i shot 6.5x284 on a nesika bay action steve built savage groups also

sounds like a deadly rifle. was on jacksons web site and they say they have sako 75 actions in 308 bolt face this would be the type 3 action. what im getting at is i would love to get a custom 270 built do they mean bolt diameter or action type. i think the 270 is a type 4 action. what would one action cost roughly?

jwshooter

ballistic wrote: »

sounds like a deadly rifle. was on jacksons web site and they say they have sako 75 actions in 308 bolt face this would be the type 3 action. what im getting at is i would love to get a custom 270 built do they mean bolt diameter or action type. i think the 270 is a type 4 action. what would one action cost roughly?

just might know where to get you one in a 75

Vegeta

quigley wrote: »

John Greene put together a superb rifle for me: 22-250 , Remington Action, Krieger bull barrel, Jewell trigger, Accuracy International Stock, 10 rd mag, suppressor. 1/4 inch at 100yds. QD Mounts. Bolt face lapped, The Dogs B......x!! Super riflesmith, who knows rifles.:D

Anyone considering a one-off should talk to him.

Not that sounds nice, its great to hear lads getting that kind of work done in Ireland. Fair play to John

ballistic

jwshooter wrote: »

just might know where to get you one in a 75

im a bit strapped for cash at the moment pm me the price if you can. thanks

jwshooter

quigley wrote: »

John Greene put together a superb rifle for me: 22-250 , Remington Action, Krieger bull barrel, Jewell trigger, Accuracy International Stock, 10 rd mag, suppressor. 1/4 inch at 100yds. QD Mounts. Bolt face lapped, The Dogs B......x!! Super riflesmith, who knows rifles.:D

Anyone considering a one-off should talk to him.

how much did it cost to send it to england to get reproofed, it cost me 780 euro for the rebarrel and reproof and the total job only tuck nine weeks that inclulded getting the barrel in from gremany and the other work carried out

raptorman

Cheers for the info lads, I'm looking into various options at the mo.

murph226

Hi lads, just curious, what does reproofing mean/entail?

Can it not be carried out by anyone in Ireland?

Sparks

Proofing is just the process of ensuring that the rifle won't explode in your face when you fire a normal shot through it. Reproofing is meant to be done whenever you adjust a barrel significantly, say by cutting it down for threading. There's a proofing act floating about somewheres, so I suppose you could do it here but so far as I know, it's not done here. Not sure if it's down to lack of facilities or what.

Gerri

Sparks wrote: »

Proofing is just the process of ensuring that the rifle won't explode in your face when you fire a normal shot through it.

Oh no it isn't. It just means that on the day it was proofed it did not explode with the ammunition used to test it. There is no guarantee issued with the Proof Cert that the rifle will not explode with the next round fired through it. It is basically another form of taxation on shooters and just adds to the cost of firearms. Not required in the USA, anybody who purchased a Remington or other American made rifle directly imported here will notice that there are no proof marks on them.

Sparks

Gerri wrote: »

Oh no it isn't.

What any quality inspection or test does in reality and what it's meant to do are generally different things It's like examining air tanks - every so often, an undetectable fault shows up and gets past the exams and there's a loud spectacular failure. Thing is, these things are like airline crashes - just because you hear about them all the time does not mean that they happen on every flight, just that they're highly newsworthy.
And at any rate, proofing may not be done in the US but that's the US. Get a barrel cut over here and you're meant to have it reproofed as I understand it.

jwshooter

Sparks wrote: »

What any quality inspection or test does in reality and what it's meant to do are generally different things It's like examining air tanks - every so often, an undetectable fault shows up and gets past the exams and there's a loud spectacular failure. Thing is, these things are like airline crashes - just because you hear about them all the time does not mean that they happen on every flight, just that they're highly newsworthy.
And at any rate, proofing may not be done in the US but that's the US. Get a barrel cut over here and you're meant to have it reproofed as I understand it.

any one tampering with a rifle barrel threading or rebarreling should have it proofed i know of a few rifles that have failed it due to shoddy work and it costs very little

Gerri

Sparks wrote: »

And at any rate, proofing may not be done in the US but that's the US. Get a barrel cut over here and you're meant to have it reproofed as I understand it.

Not so,otherwise any barrel over here that is threaded for a moderator,for example, would need to be proofed, and also the moderator. This is not required here, indeed if it was necessary it could not be done here as there is no proof house in Ireland, North or South. The company that holds the licence for proofing is the NSAI (National Standards Authority of Ireland)and it is a commercial operation. As we don't have a firearms manufacturing industry here you can see why it no longer proofs firearms. We do have a reciprocal agreement where we recognise both SAAMI and CIP proof from other countries. If you MANUFACTURE rifles, I believe you are legally required to have them proofed, this explains why custom rifle builders here send them to the UK. Regarding the US, considering that they don't proof firearms, they seem to have little difficulty in manufacturing safe ,reliable firearms. Makes you wonder why European firearms manufacturers proof their firearms as it does not seem to do anything positive, other than increase the cost to the customer and provide business for the proof houses, all of which I understand are commercial operations , not Government bodies.

bunny shooter

Without re-proofing barrel (if it wasn't a factory job) and moderator you may find you're insurance invalid :eek:

AFAIK there was a statement at some stage from at Countryside Alliance about this previously, not sure about NARGC etc

bunny shooter

Sparks is quite correct on having to re-proof a non-factory threaded firearm here.

In relation to the post above, I have recieved a lovely PM from a poster on this thread :rolleyes:. Why he/she didn't post it here is the question. Here is the content of the PM, the name of the poster has been witheld, on this occasion.

"Insurance

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There must be quite a few uninsured shooters out there as I have only seen one Parker Hale moderator that was proofed, it belongs to my brother. All other moderators in shops are generally unproofed. Why are you trying to put the frighteners on people? How many incidents involving moderators (proofed or unproofed) are you aware of where it may have been necessary to make a claim under an insurance policy? If the answer is none, please refrain from posting useless comments which add nothing to the topic being discussed. If the answer is yes and you know of some incidents then please post details so that shooters can make an informed decision if considering adding a moderator to their firearm, that would be of benefit to other shooters. Incidentally, have you seen a factory threaded rifle with the proof marks where they are supposed to be if the screw cutting has been proofed? The proof mark should be in the region of the muzzle and the regular proof mark at the action end."

As stated in the above post I have previously seen correspondence from CAI on this issue where they stated that without the barrel and moderator being proofed that insurance would be invalid in the event of a claim. This is a fact, I saw the letter myself.

Your understanding of insurance is somewhat naive as to claim that just because there have been no claims automatically means you are insured. Heard of read the small print. The insurance companies always do when you make a claim:)

Now if the poster in question can throw more light onto the subject, with some written proof, then I'm all ears.

Gerri

bunny shooter wrote: »

Sparks is quite correct on having to re-proof a non-factory threaded firearm here.

In relation to the post above, I have recieved a lovely PM from a poster on this thread :rolleyes:. Why he/she didn't post it here is the question. Here is the content of the PM, the name of the poster has been witheld, on this occasion.

"Insurance

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There must be quite a few uninsured shooters out there as I have only seen one Parker Hale moderator that was proofed, it belongs to my brother. All other moderators in shops are generally unproofed. Why are you trying to put the frighteners on people? How many incidents involving moderators (proofed or unproofed) are you aware of where it may have been necessary to make a claim under an insurance policy? If the answer is none, please refrain from posting useless comments which add nothing to the topic being discussed. If the answer is yes and you know of some incidents then please post details so that shooters can make an informed decision if considering adding a moderator to their firearm, that would be of benefit to other shooters. Incidentally, have you seen a factory threaded rifle with the proof marks where they are supposed to be if the screw cutting has been proofed? The proof mark should be in the region of the muzzle and the regular proof mark at the action end."

As stated in the above post I have previously seen correspondence from CAI on this issue where they stated that without the barrel and moderator being proofed that insurance would be invalid in the event of a claim. This is a fact, I saw the letter myself.

Your understanding of insurance is somewhat naive as to claim that just because there have been no claims automatically means you are insured. Heard of read the small print. The insurance companies always do when you make a claim:)

Now if the poster in question can throw more light onto the subject, with some written proof, then I'm all ears.

Great, I can now post replies again. I was unable to earlier for some unknown reason, anyway good to be able to respond again. AFAIK as I understand it is the expression of an opinion, if you had seen the letter why not make a positive statement such as “I have a copy of the CA letter or I have seen a copy of the CA letter? That would make it clearer for everyone. Now regarding the letter you have seen, can you clarify a couple of points, 1 Was it a letter from Countryside Alliance? 2 Was it a letter from Countryside Alliance Ireland? The distinction being that there is a requirement for reproofing in the UK but not in Ireland so it does matter which letterhead was used in the correspondence. Hope you can clear that one up, as your original post said Countryside Alliance and your most recent post said Countryside Alliance Ireland.

I will take a guess that you know some shooters who have moderators fitted so perhaps, with their consent; you could examine their rifles and moderators for proof marks. It might be an idea to check both centrefire and rimfire rifles if possible. I seem to recall that a number of posters on boards have moderators fitted to their rifles, perhaps those who had theirs re proofed could let us know where they got it done and what it cost? Considering that it would probably have been re proofed in the UK, the cost would be considerable because of postal charges etc. You see, the thing is, even if you buy a rifle already threaded, unless the moderator is also proofed, you would still need to send it to the UK for re proofing. I don’t suppose too many people do that. Maybe we have a lot of shooters in this country using unproofed rifles on a daily basis, who knows?

My knowledge of insurance is probably on a par with most people outside of the insurance industry and I never claimed otherwise, you misunderstood what was written. As I stated at the beginning of my post, there was a problem which did not allow me to reply so I am happy that it’s resolved, allowing me to post again. Sorry there was no “conspiracy” involved in my sending you a PM, I was anxious to reply to what I still believe was an unhelpful/useless post for readers of this thread.

Gerri

bunny shooter

Pedantics aside, I clarified that I had seen a letter and from where it came.

I find an informed opinion is always better than quessing especially when it comes to legal and insurance matters. I do know lots of shooters with moderators fitted, those on non factory threaded rifles have not been re-proofed and neither have the moderators to the best of my knowledge and I doubt a lot of them have letters from their Supers either.

There are two proof houses in UK one in Birmingham and one in London AFAIK, so therefore, if an irish shooter wants something proofed that's where the item/s would have to be sent. Cost would hardly be a good reason for not doing so in the event of an insurance company asking why it wasn't done.

I do not use moderators so therefore it is not an issue for me. Everything with insurance is fine until you make a claim. They are happy to take the premium but not too happy to pay out on any subsequent claim. They then refer to the contract which contains a lot of "small print", which can be very ambigious and is usually interpreted by them in their favour.

Just because everyone is doing something that may be illegal and/or in prejudice of an insurance policy doesn't make it legal or allowable under their policy.

Do you normally classify replies that you do not agree with as "unhelpful/useless" ?

jwshooter

bunny shooter wrote: »

Sparks is quite correct on having to re-proof a non-factory threaded firearm here.

In relation to the post above, I have recieved a lovely PM from a poster on this thread :rolleyes:. Why he/she didn't post it here is the question. Here is the content of the PM, the name of the poster has been witheld, on this occasion.

"Insurance

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There must be quite a few uninsured shooters out there as I have only seen one Parker Hale moderator that was proofed, it belongs to my brother. All other moderators in shops are generally unproofed. Why are you trying to put the frighteners on people? How many incidents involving moderators (proofed or unproofed) are you aware of where it may have been necessary to make a claim under an insurance policy? If the answer is none, please refrain from posting useless comments which add nothing to the topic being discussed. If the answer is yes and you know of some incidents then please post details so that shooters can make an informed decision if considering adding a moderator to their firearm, that would be of benefit to other shooters. Incidentally, have you seen a factory threaded rifle with the proof marks where they are supposed to be if the screw cutting has been proofed? The proof mark should be in the region of the muzzle and the regular proof mark at the action end."

As stated in the above post I have previously seen correspondence from CAI on this issue where they stated that without the barrel and moderator being proofed that insurance would be invalid in the event of a claim. This is a fact, I saw the letter myself.

Your understanding of insurance is somewhat naive as to claim that just because there have been no claims automatically means you are insured. Heard of read the small print. The insurance companies always do when you make a claim:)

Now if the poster in question can throw more light onto the subject, with some written proof, then I'm all ears.

last year i had a moderator blow up on me we had shot quite a few deer that eve with the gun and mod . i fired on a hind at about 80yrds i got a slap in the eye and the can flew off i had a small cut above the eye , weld went on the near end gave in .i got a fair fright as did my mate .thing is we are over fussy when it comes to safety and guns ..my new mod has a small hole in and also a friends same well known make not proofed ..it does not cost a lot to get a rifle and can proofed you should make a point in asking for it when buying new gear .one of the lads doing the hcap in the midlands two weeks ago was not allowed to shoot his blazer fatcory threaded but his can was not .

bunny shooter

A shooting buddy of mine had an incident with a moddy a few weeks ago. Not a bad as yours JW. He fored on a fox and we presumed he had missed, which would be strange for him at the given range of 200 yds, to be fair, when he went home he noticed a rattling in the moddy. He took it off the rifle and little fragments of bullet came out. On inspecting inside moddy he noticed a piece was gone from the edge of one of the baffles, where the bullet passes through. He was lucky. he has removed said moddy and refuses to use it again.

Gerri

bunny shooter wrote: »

A shooting buddy of mine had an incident with a moddy a few weeks ago. Not a bad as yours JW. He fored on a fox and we presumed he had missed, which would be strange for him at the given range of 200 yds, to be fair, when he went home he noticed a rattling in the moddy. He took it off the rifle and little fragments of bullet came out. On inspecting inside moddy he noticed a piece was gone from the edge of one of the baffles, where the bullet passes through. He was lucky. he has removed said moddy and refuses to use it again.

That's a useful post. It's possible that the moderator may have been a little loose. For those with moderators a useful tip following screw cutting or changing from one moderator to another, remove the rifle bolt and have a look down the barrel (moderator attached and tight) from the breech end and make sure you can see an equal amount of light down the full length. This simple check will indicate whether the moderator is correctly lined up with the rifle barrel. Question; did your friend always remove the moderator after a day/night shooting or did he leave it on all the time prior to this happening?

jwshooter

Gerri wrote: »

That's a useful post. It's possible that the moderator may have been a little loose. For those with moderators a useful tip following screw cutting or changing from one moderator to another, remove the rifle bolt and have a look down the barrel (moderator attached and tight) from the breech end and make sure you can see an equal amount of light down the full length. This simple check will indicate whether the moderator is correctly lined up with the rifle barrel. Question; did your friend always remove the moderator after a day/night shooting or did he leave it on all the time prior to this happening?

i know what your thinking gerri ,buy i can not see how a bullet would hit the baffels on a mod only left in on it it should not hit it ,.i always take the mod off for oil n after use . have seen home made mods with lads i can not blame rifle ranger banning un proofed ones

bunny shooter

Gerri wrote: »

That's a useful post............

:rolleyes:

No the moddy wasn't loose and he always removed it after use

Vegeta

lets keep it civil folks, play the ball not the man.