Pigeon shooting for anyone near Dublin

tikkamark

Hello lads just thought id mention it on here about a field i seen pigeons in there hundreds dropping in to feed its right beside the remains of the polly hops pub outside lucan i was working high up on a nearby building site and seen the pigeons hammering the field there is a bird banger in position but the pigeons just land on the power lines crossing the field paying no notice to the banger:rolleyes:
There is a farmyard right beside the field and if you dropped in to ask for permission im sure the farmer would be delighted to see a competent person nail the pigeons for him a pigeon magnet would be fairly essential i'd say.If i was a little closer to dublin id try shooting it myself.

Mellor

I imagine that the land might already be taken so to speak.
Real shortage of land in the area

bigred

AFAIK Newcastle & District Gun Club have all that area sown up.

Mellor

Probably, then Lucan Gun Club have the fields close to Lucan.

whitser

thats not to stop anyone knocking into the farmer. if he says its ok then its ok. he'd probably be glad of someone making inroads into the woodie population.

Sparks

If I'm reading the Act correctly whitser, if the local gun club have the permission, they can charge someone else using the land with trespass, even if they have the original owner's permission.

(I might not be, it certainly seems a perverse way for the law to be set up. Maybe John Griffin or NNR could comment?)

whitser

its always been my understanding that the land owner can give permission to anyone he wants,especially when it comes to vermin control and crop protection.
gun clubs dont own the land, they have no right to tell someone of once they also have permission from the land owner. now maybe when it comes to shooting bought in and reared roosters there might be something in law but as far as controling damaging birds and mammals the farmer can get any one he wants.

mallards

I know the area. The fields back up towards the business park are beginning to load up with pigeons at the minute. I can see at least three separate flight lines going into the fields opposite the Grange Castle golf course. I have worked there this last 4 or 5 years and I have only heard shooting once a couple of years ago. The only hunting I see is young lads with long dogs cleaning up the hares around the business park.
All my guns are up North but if they were here I would be accross the road in a 'shot' the next time I saw the farmer around!


Mallards.

Mellor

whitser wrote: »

its always been my understanding that the land owner can give permission to anyone he wants,especially when it comes to vermin control and crop protection.
gun clubs dont own the land, they have no right to tell someone of once they also have permission from the land owner. now maybe when it comes to shooting bought in and reared roosters there might be something in law but as far as controling damaging birds and mammals the farmer can get any one he wants.

Not 100% true,
Ownership and shooting rights are not the same thing,

In most cases the farmer will own them, some somebody or a club could buy them,
they could also arrange a sole permission arrangement,
I know that some of the lands nearby are solely for club (not legally, but the farmer won't)

John Griffin

Sparks wrote: »

If I'm reading the Act correctly whitser, if the local gun club have the permission, they can charge someone else using the land with trespass, even if they have the original owner's permission.

(I might not be, it certainly seems a perverse way for the law to be set up. Maybe John Griffin or NNR could comment?)

Yeah you are right, but it would be a very foolish move to take. A club would very quickly find themselves without land to shoot.

It has never made it to court to the best of my knowledge but i don't think a judge would convict on it, especially if the landowner gives permission in writing and /or is summoned to court.

meathstevie

If a landowner ( assuming he has the sporting rights ) gives permission to someone for as in this example shooting pigeons when there was a sole permission in place before not just revoked the sole permission and wouldn't he be perfectly within his right to do this ? He could even blame the former exclusive permission holder to be unconsiderate and negligent for not shooting the pigeons as they can be a serious agricultural problem.

It wasn't me!

Well depends whether there's a formal agreement really, especially one in writing, and if I were the secretary of a club with exclusive permissions, I'd make damn sure I had that in writing.

tikkamark

mallards wrote: »

I know the area. The fields back up towards the business park are beginning to load up with pigeons at the minute. I can see at least three separate flight lines going into the fields opposite the Grange Castle golf course. I have worked there this last 4 or 5 years and I have only heard shooting once a couple of years ago. The only hunting I see is young lads with long dogs cleaning up the hares around the business park.
All my guns are up North but if they were here I would be accross the road in a 'shot' the next time I saw the farmer around!


Mallards.

To date nobody has shot the field and the pigeons have cleared a large swipe of the field so whatever gunclub has the right's to shoot it are not doing so,that is'nt exactly much use to the farmer who is loosing money everyday:rolleyes: if i lived nearer i would have the pigeons in check regardless of if i was a member of a club or not once i was insured and had the full farmers written permission.

Mallards
Im up there everyday since last september on bennets c,d,f site your spot on about the lads with the lurchers i seen them working the ditches there a few times:)
I also never seen so many grey crows and magpies around the grangecastle park in general god id kill to have the hmr with me some days:D
Also is there magpie diver ducks on the pond there beside the roundabout i think thats what they are anyway!

mallards

Yes you should see them come of the canal in the evening to roost on the pond! Close your eyes and you could nearly be at Lough Neagh:p


Mallards

bigred

tikkamark wrote: »

the lads with the lurchers i seen them working the ditches there a few times:)
I also never seen so many grey crows and magpies around the grangecastle park in general god id kill to have the hmr with me some days:D
Also is there magpie diver ducks on the pond there beside the roundabout i think thats what they are anyway!

The park security keep the lads with dogs far away from the established sites (Wyeth and Takeda). It's like an obstacle course some evenings with the amount of rabbits around. There was a group of 12 sitting less than 50yds from the road in the park yesterday evening. Fresh roadkill every day on the road. All it's going to take is an employee to complain that their car's been damaged by a rogue rabbit and then they'll call for the exterminator... Hope I'm first to hear this and get the job!!

BTW.. exactly how many of us work in the park..??

mallards

I'm in Wyeth and the security don't bother with the lads. I regularly watch them hunt out the perimeter hedge with a jck russell and slip the lurchers on any bolting rabbits and or hares. No harm to the rabbit population as the other morning the day after they cut the grass I watched at least 60 rabbits grazing in a small area just in front of the castle!


Mallards

Mellor

mallards wrote: »

Yes you should see them come of the canal in the evening to roost on the pond! Close your eyes and you could nearly be at Lough Neagh:p


Mallards

Where exactly is this?
I'm not far and the pond and canel that normally had our ducks in it has been empty the last few months. Potential new spot. (as long as newcastle GC don't have it)

mallards

The lake is inside the Grange castle buisness park.

Mallards.

tikkamark

mallards wrote: »

I'm in Wyeth and the security don't bother with the lads. I regularly watch them hunt out the perimeter hedge with a jck russell and slip the lurchers on any bolting rabbits and or hares. No harm to the rabbit population as the other morning the day after they cut the grass I watched at least 60 rabbits grazing in a small area just in front of the castle!


Mallards

Yeah i noticed that alright some heap of rabbits about the place theres a lot down near the Microsoft site aswell,seen a few cock pheasants about down there too!The grey crows do be on that short grass first thing in the morn...god i hate the sight of them:mad:

tikkamark

Mellor wrote: »

Where exactly is this?
I'm not far and the pond and canel that normally had our ducks in it has been empty the last few months. Potential new spot. (as long as newcastle GC don't have it)

Dont think security would be all too impressed to see a lad flighting the pond in such a well populated area!

bigred

tikkamark wrote: »

Dont think security would be all too impressed to see a lad flighting the pond in such a well populated area!

It's not security I'd be worried about, it's all the Health & Safety cronies would be out in force in their reflective vests and hard hats taking noise readings and the like :D... (Guess where I work )

bunny shooter

bigred wrote: »

It's not security I'd be worried about, it's all the Health & Safety cronies would be out in force in their reflective vests and hard hats taking noise readings and the like :D... (Guess where I work )

Security :eek:

E. Fudd

My home place is a couple of hundred yards up the road from there!

The farmer died a couple of weeks ago, so now it's his wife and children running the show.
The family owned approx. 1000 acres in the newcastle area, and Newcastle and district G.C. have claimed rights to his land for the past while, funny thing is that the daughter is a bit of a tree hugger and last time i heard she had run a load of the Gun Club lads off the land!
Fortunately I have the permission for a lot of the land ajoining a lot of their tillage fields! Might get myself out for a few woodies this coming week!:D

tikkamark

E. Fudd wrote: »

My home place is a couple of hundred yards up the road from there!

The farmer died a couple of weeks ago, so now it's his wife and children running the show.
The family owned approx. 1000 acres in the newcastle area, and Newcastle and district G.C. have claimed rights to his land for the past while, funny thing is that the daughter is a bit of a tree hugger and last time i heard she had run a load of the Gun Club lads off the land!
Fortunately I have the permission for a lot of the land ajoining a lot of their tillage fields! Might get myself out for a few woodies this coming week!:D

Let me know how you get on e fudd even by pm as id say if you set up on the right field round there you would get a serious bag as there is huge numbers of woodies floating round that area;)

meathstevie

Her opinion might change if the combine is only harvesting straw:rolleyes: