Well done Jim Rock

sligobhoy67

four weight Irish champion - awesome!

Great performance and stopped Finnegan for the first time ever - as a pro or an amateur!!

Hero Of College

Since when was ANY TITLE ever scheduled for anything less than 12 rounds?

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

Since when was ANY TITLE ever scheduled for anything less than 12 rounds?

wow.........I'm actually seriously shocked by this .
You do know the majority of national title fights are 10 rounders ?, even in the bigger countries .

Japan who's national title is probably the strongest title out there after a World title in the lower weights almost always has 10 round fights, same with the French and Italian titles .

Infact bar British and South African title fights I'm struggling to think of a national title that is regularly fought over 12 rounds .

walshb

I have to congratulate Jim, who at 36, looked very good and put on a great show. It's not easy at his stage to get in there and try so so hard and last the pace. He did it, albeit against a weak foe, but he still did the business. Fair play to Jim

dizzydiesel

walshb wrote: »

I have to congratulate Jim, who at 36, looked very good and put on a great show. It's not easy at his stage to get in there and try so so hard and last the pace. He did it, albeit against a weak foe, but he still did the business. Fair play to Jim

Shows that no matter what age you are.....hard work pays off.

How about Dunne? Good performance?

walshb

Dunne always looks good in the ring as he has a beautiful style, moves, and footwork, but the level of opposition is absolutely atrocious. These guys he is fighting, at times, look almost retarded. He couldn't close the show against an opponent that sucked and that to me says it all. Dunne is going nowhere!

dizzydiesel

His lack of power is evident. Unable to finish that guy on Saturday was a bit disappointing. It looked great, but a stronger boxer would have "sealed the deal"

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

wow.........I'm actually seriously shocked by this .
You do know the majority of national title fights are 10 rounders ?, even in the bigger countries .

Japan who's national title is probably the strongest title out there after a World title in the lower weights almost always has 10 round fights, same with the French and Italian titles .

Infact bar British and South African title fights I'm struggling to think of a national title that is regularly fought over 12 rounds .

Thats right, Cos the British Title is such a great big non-affair.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Hero Of College

walshb wrote: »

Dunne always looks good in the ring as he has a beautiful style, moves, and footwork, but the level of opposition is absolutely atrocious. These guys he is fighting, at times, look almost retarded. He couldn't close the show against an opponent that sucked and that to me says it all. Dunne is going nowhere!

Dunne has one of the most fluid, fluent, relaxed styles out there. Great to watch, hell on Bummish opponents.

Two problems, neither related to his style:

1. No jaw.

2. No punch.

buck65

what round did rock win in?

sligobhoy67

buck65 wrote: »

what round did rock win in?

7

buck65

my guess!!
excellent

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

Thats right, Cos the British Title is such a great big non-affair.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Outside of the lower weight classes it's probably the strongest in the World .
But Irish title fights are always 10 rounds, as are 95% of national title fights .

I was just shocked as your remark of 'Since when was ANY TITLE ever scheduled for anything less than 12 rounds?' seemed to indicate you didn't know that .

dubman25

jim rock has no interest in his fans as he said when RTE asked him..."is this the end for you"...and he replyed ill see what money i get offered:eek:should he not be doing it for his fans its not like he would be getting offered 5ooeuro for a fight because he would be getting offered at least 5 times that amount AT LEAST!!!:rolleyes:

sston

Big Ears wrote: »

Outside of the lower weight classes it's probably the strongest in the World .
But Irish title fights are always 10 rounds, as are 95% of national title fights .

I was just shocked as your remark of 'Since when was ANY TITLE ever scheduled for anything less than 12 rounds?' seemed to indicate you didn't know that .

He didn't but then again there appears to be quite a lot he doesn't know about boxing.

sston

dubman25 wrote: »

jim rock has no interest in his fans as he said when RTE asked him..."is this the end for you"...and he replyed ill see what money i get offered:eek:should he not be doing it for his fans its not like he would be getting offered 5ooeuro for a fight because he would be getting offered at least 5 times that amount AT LEAST!!!:rolleyes:

Yes of course he should be getting hit in the head for a living just to please his fans. In fact he should pay everyone's ticket in as well.

dubman25

sston wrote: »

Yes of course he should be getting hit in the head for a living just to please his fans. In fact he should pay everyone's ticket in as well.

the cost of living...ha well he seems to earn more than enough to be driving a ferrari and have 3 car garages,so i wouldnt say he is stuck or even near it!he is a arsehole after saying that and not thinking of his fans who PAY HIS WAGES!!

Big Ears

dubman25 wrote: »

the cost of living...ha well he seems to earn more than enough to be driving a ferrari and have 3 car garages,so i wouldnt say he is stuck or even near it!he is a arsehole after saying that and not thinking of his fans who PAY HIS WAGES!!

He looked to me like he was joking(to a degree) when he said it cause he was smiling and laughing . Jim is 36 years old and it's hard to be motivated for fights at that age, somethings going to have to keep him interested . With that said I've heard he has often donated his purses to charity as he doesn't need the money because(as you said) he has a succesful career as a car dealer .

What should he have said ?, the fans would want him to continue on forever, so he has to take into account what's best for him and his family .

joepenguin

I've heard that as well, he has given a few of his ring earnings to charity. Fair play to him, he paced himself well and won convincingly.

I noticed the MC announcing Matthew Macklin as the Irish middleweight champ. Isn't Rock the current Irish middleweight champ.... or at least the most recent one?

Big Ears

joepenguin wrote: »

I've heard that as well, he has given a few of his ring earnings to charity. Fair play to him, he paced himself well and won convincingly.

I noticed the MC announcing Matthew Macklin as the Irish middleweight champ. Isn't Rock the current Irish middleweight champ.... or at least the most recent one?

Correct, Mike should have announced Macklin as the former Irish Middleweight champion .

I only saw what has been put up on RTÉ's website so I missed a lot of analysis but did anyone else think John Duddy seemed a natural as an analyst ? , knows his stuff and is good with a Mic in front of him . Never stumbled over his words or was short for words .
He made a nice addition to the team I thought and it will possibly help raise his profile in Ireland .

cowzerp

dubman25 wrote: »

jim rock has no interest in his fans as he said when RTE asked him..."is this the end for you"...and he replyed ill see what money i get offered:eek:should he not be doing it for his fans its not like he would be getting offered 5ooeuro for a fight because he would be getting offered at least 5 times that amount AT LEAST!!!:rolleyes:

This is PRO boxing, they do it for the money, otherwise they would of stayed amateur and tried for olympic glory, the highest honour in boxing.
he's finished his career so he's right to only fight if he's looked after. would you prefer if he lied about it.

nacho libre

Big Ears wrote: »

Correct, Mike should have announced Macklin as the former Irish Middleweight champion .

I only saw what has been put up on RTÉ's website so I missed a lot of analysis but did anyone else think John Duddy seemed a natural as an analyst ? , knows his stuff and is good with a Mic in front of him . Never stumbled over his words or was short for words .
He made a nice addition to the team I thought and it will possibly help raise his profile in Ireland .

Yes. He was very impressive considering it was his first time as a analyst. He definitely has a future as a boxing pundit after his boxing career is over. By the way was there not another guy scheduled to be there as well?

nacho libre

... and on the subject of Jim Rock, who, if he continues fighting, should he face next?
Ideally i'd love to see him go up against Duddy or Macklin before he calls it quits.

joepenguin

What about Jason McKay for the Irish light heavyweight title McKay never lost in the ring?

dunkindonuts

dubman25 wrote: »

the cost of living...ha well he seems to earn more than enough to be driving a ferrari and have 3 car garages,so i wouldnt say he is stuck or even near it!he is a arsehole after saying that and not thinking of his fans who PAY HIS WAGES!!

What 3 garages does he have? I live beside jim rock motors and every time i pass by he is always there.

Big Ears

joepenguin wrote: »

What about Jason McKay for the Irish light heavyweight title McKay never lost in the ring?

McKay is moving down to Middleweight, he's looking for a shot at Commonwealth Middleweight champion Darren Barker .

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Dunne always looks good in the ring as he has a beautiful style, moves, and footwork, but the level of opposition is absolutely atrocious. These guys he is fighting, at times, look almost retarded. He couldn't close the show against an opponent that sucked and that to me says it all. Dunne is going nowhere!

Dunne has fought at least 5 of the top 10 guys in Europe - yeah his opposition is terrible :rolleyes:. Dunne never looked to finish the guy.

Who would you like Dunne to fight when he is clearly on the comeback trail.
Who did Munroe fight in his last and who did Kiko fight in his last fight?

T-K-O

dubman25 wrote: »

jim rock has no interest in his fans as he said when RTE asked him..."is this the end for you"...and he replyed ill see what money i get offered:eek:should he not be doing it for his fans its not like he would be getting offered 5ooeuro for a fight because he would be getting offered at least 5 times that amount AT LEAST!!!:rolleyes:

And that is why Rock never made it to the top. At a certain stage it's about the money but the elite guys fight for the glory.

I was never impressed with Rock, Lee/Duddy and the likes would destroy Jim Rock.

In saying that I would like to congratulate Jim on winning all those Irish titles. Last Saturday was one of his better performances.

megadodge

And that is why Rock never made it to the top. At a certain stage it's about the money but the elite guys fight for the glory.

Rock never made it to the top because he just wasn't good enough !

Don't fool yourself with tales of glory etc.
The most elite of them all, Sugar Ray Robinson, was notoriously difficult to deal with and often made crazy demands, which if were done nowadays would be accompanied with "overpaid primadonna" type headlines.

The reason the elite want big fights is because Big Fights = Big Money !!

T-K-O

megadodge wrote: »

Rock never made it to the top because he just wasn't good enough !

Don't fool yourself with tales of glory etc.
The most elite of them all, Sugar Ray Robinson, was notoriously difficult to deal with and often made crazy demands, which if were done nowadays would be accompanied with "overpaid primadonna" type headlines.

The reason the elite want big fights is because Big Fights = Big Money !!

You are right in saying Rock was never good enough Ive been telling people for year he is just an average local fighter.

I'm sure Sugar Ray fought in an time when it was difficult to get a fight full stop especially at the start of his career - but you are missing the point.

Zidane
Dela Hoya
Federer
Keane and the list goes on....

The top guys in sport get to the top with a desire to be the best, the money will naturally come.

T-K-O

megadodge wrote: »

Rock never made it to the top because he just wasn't good enough !

Don't fool yourself with tales of glory etc.
The most elite of them all, Sugar Ray Robinson, was notoriously difficult to deal with and often made crazy demands, which if were done nowadays would be accompanied with "overpaid primadonna" type headlines.

The reason the elite want big fights is because Big Fights = Big Money !!

Oscar didn't want the big fights for money or does Cotto. You will find more times than not that the best want the glory.

megadodge

If they wanted glory exclusively, why turn pro ?

There's probably more glory in winning an Olympic medal than being a world champ.

And using Roy Keane as an example is funny, because even Ferguson referred to him as the one person he hated negotiating contracts with as his demands were so strenuous. Actually any soccer player is a bad example as money is their real God (Matt Le Tissier being an honourable exception).

sligobhoy67

As a relative of Rocks I have to declare some sort of interest in the man before I throw in my 2c.

a. the man isn't in the game for the cash - he's got plenty of it in comparison to most fighters.

b. the man is in the game for the glory and the sport - purposefully chased all four Irish title - name a man on the island or with a drop of Irish blood that wouldn't love to have those four beauties on the mantle!

c. since 2000 he's only really stepped up a level once imo, against Takaloo - and we all know what happened that night, although Tak did catch him with a peach that would have knocked a horse out that night. Top class domestic level fighter - and there is nothing wrong with that.

d. cant see him fighting McKay - I think Rock really likes him and they are both Breen men.

d. from what he told me on Saturday that wont be his last fight. I jokingly have suggested Cruiserweight to him and make it five - technically Darren Corbett is still the champion (isn't he? not sure how the BUI work it) so that could work! or maybe fight Sweeney, Clancy, O'Brien for the vacant title??

sligobhoy67

megadodge wrote: »

If they wanted glory exclusively, why turn pro ?

There's probably more glory in winning an Olympic medal than being a world champ.

And using Roy Keane as an example is funny, because even Ferguson referred to him as the one person he hated negotiating contracts with as his demands were so strenuous. Actually any soccer player is a bad example as money is their real God (Matt Le Tissier being an honourable exception).

Keane never did any of his own negotiating from what I have read - Michael Kennedy did it - and all for free as well (not sure if thats true)

T-K-O

megadodge wrote: »

If they wanted glory exclusively, why turn pro ?

There's probably more glory in winning an Olympic medal than being a world champ.

And using Roy Keane as an example is funny, because even Ferguson referred to him as the one person he hated negotiating contracts with as his demands were so strenuous. Actually any soccer player is a bad example as money is their real God (Matt Le Tissier being an honourable exception).

What are you talking about. A lot of the great boxers have won gold medals. Or like Calzaghe failed to win or qualify. Then the natural progression is the pro ranks.

And Keane is a great example his dedication and desire got him to the top even though he clearly lacked certain qualities. Yes he did negotiated with Man Utd but for nothing other than a fair deal. Keane wanted the same as others where getting, what is wrong with that.

I do not know for sure but I would bet Matt was on best salary at Southampton. Why would you work at a job for x amount when Joe bloggs is getting x+1 especially when you are doing a better job. That is just common sense and only an idiot would accept less.

T-K-O

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Keane never did any of his own negotiating from what I have read - Michael Kennedy did it - and all for free as well (not sure if thats true)

That is correct but not for free, Kennedy is a solicitor that was introduce to Keane by Niall Quinn.

Big Ears

T-K-O wrote: »

What are you talking about. A lot of the great boxers have won gold medals. Or like Calzaghe failed to win or qualify. Then the natural progression is the pro ranks.

Yes but there is more to Calzaghe not going to the Olympics than not being good enough(which he was) .

Mayweather says he won't get back in the ring for less than $100 million, and I think we unanimously agree he's a top fighter .

HollowMan

Keane says in his autobiography that he has never paid Michael Kennedy a penny, Kennedy has never charged him.

Probably great for Kennedy's own business to say that he handles Keane's affairs.

By the way, where is Jim Rock's garage?

sligobhoy67

HollowMan wrote: »

Keane says in his autobiography that he has never paid Michael Kennedy a penny, Kennedy has never charged him.

Probably great for Kennedy's own business to say that he handles Keane's affairs.

By the way, where is Jim Rock's garage?

Loughlinstown

http://www.jimrockmotors.ie/

Hero Of College

Damn Jim was out.

I usually see Jim a good bit in Greystones.

T-K-O

Big Ears wrote: »

Yes but there is more to Calzaghe not going to the Olympics than not being good enough(which he was) .

Mayweather says he won't get back in the ring for less than $100 million, and I think we unanimously agree he's a top fighter .

You are missing the point about Calzaghe, the point being the majority of boxers want to fight in the Olympics.

And I think we can also agree that Mayweather is the exception rather than the rule.

He will be back in a year or so but he won't earn 100 million there is no one around that could generate that kind of money.

cowzerp

Big Ears wrote: »

Yes but there is more to Calzaghe not going to the Olympics than not being good enough(which he was) .

Why do you say he was good enough?
he never won europeans and as an amateur he was ok, not known as anything amazing in fairness!

T-K-O

He was good enough..... he won the aba welter and light middle around that time....

Big Ears

cowzerp wrote: »

Why do you say he was good enough?
he never won europeans and as an amateur he was ok, not known as anything amazing in fairness!

He beat the Silver Medalist in his weight class the year of the Olympics(Chris Byrd), he won the ABA's as pointed out .

Calzaghe's father's version:
Enzo Calzaghe, Joe's father and coach, claimed his son was deliberately shunted out of a place at the Barcelona Olympics in 1992 by a cabal on the Welsh ABA committee.
Enzo Calzaghe has spoken out about Joe's exclusion from the Barcelona Olympics in 1992
Calzaghe Snr added that his son, who is unbeaten in 44 contests as a professional, has never gone public about an issue which sent both men to the point of despair.
"I want the truth to be known about this," explained the celebrated trainer. "Joe glossed over it in his autobiography, saying he did not get in the Olympic team because his 'face didn't fit', but Joe was deliberately kept out of the team by a group of selectors within the Welsh ABA in Cardiff." "Joe not going to the Olympics is still the worst moment of our working life together in the last 20 years. He would have walked away with a gold medal in Barcelona," Calzaghe Snr said.
"It still infuriates us today. Joe was already primed to go to the Olympics in 1992. He was the ABA champion, but there was animosity towards him from within the Welsh ABA council, who decided that because he could not fight in an international event against Norway in Newport - even though he had an injured hand - he had become bigheaded. That's what we were told, anyway.
"They decided, on the basis of that, that they did not want him in the team. He had already qualified, I had the passport, all the details of his membership of the Olympic squad, he was already attending training sessions with the GB team at Crystal Palace."
It was the lowest point in Joe's career, and we still talk about it regularly today, and use it as motivation to prove the doubters wrong.
"Due to that cabal on the Welsh ABA, Britain was deprived of a very, very good chance of a gold medal. It was me who had told them he could not box because he had an injury. This is the truth, and I want people to know about it."
Calzaghe Snr, who is of Sardinian extraction, added that he believes the culture of "supporting the gallant loser" in British sport, holds back many sports-people from developing their true potential. Calzaghe added that until last December, when his son was voted BBC Sports Personality of the Year and he was awarded Trainer of the Year, he was mystified by the lack of recognition afforded the father-and-son team.
He said: "I have not had so much as a pat on the back from my own community in Newbridge. What have you got to do in this country to be recognised as great at sport?"

The key thing he actually says there is Joe did qualify , he just didn't compete due to politics .

walshb

I had heard that story concerning Joe, who if I'm correct, won 3 consecutive ABA titles
around the Olympic time; and maybe in 3 weights?, WW, LM and MW from 1991-1993

I could be wrong, so I'm sure it will be verified for me.

I just checked it and it is true. I think this set some sort of record as the only person to win 3 ABA's in 3 different weights is consecutive years.

Anyway, in '92, Joe would have been 71 Kgs in Barcelona and would have
lost IMO to Juan Lemus.

Interestingly enough, GB won a bronze in the 71 kg division with Robin Reid, who never won an ABA and lost to Joe in 1992 I believe
I may be wrong, as Robin and Joe may not have met as amateurs

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Category:ABA_Champions

Hero Of College

walshb wrote: »

I had heard that story concerning Joe, who if I'm correct, won 3 consecutive ABA titles
around the Olympic time; and maybe in 3 weights?, WW, LM and MW from 1991-1993

I could be wrong, so I'm sure it will be verified for me.

I just checked it and it is true. I think this set some sort of record as the only person to win 3 ABA's in 3 different weights is consecutive years.

Anyway, in '92, Joe would have been 71 Kgs in Barcelona and would have
lost IMO to Juan Lemus.

Interestingly enough, GB won a bronze in the 71 kg division with Robin Reid, who never won an ABA and lost to Joe in 1992 I believe
I may be wrong, as Robin and Joe may not have met as amateurs

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Category:ABA_Champions

Won one of the titles with a cracked rib too.;)