Tony G's Mistake on Poker Tube

BIG-SLICK-POKER

http://www.pokertube.com/Movies.aspx?movie=6833&KeyID=1&title=Tony_G_s_mistake_at_the_Premier_League


How do u post the link up showing the video in the post itself instead of clicking the link

CHD

copy the writing where it says embed then when starting this thread click the lil youtube icon and paste it between the [youtube/] [] thing

Rb

Won't work unless it's youtube afaik

CHD

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see if it works.......

BIG-SLICK-POKER

Rb wrote: »

Won't work unless it's youtube afaik

Tryed doing its as a Youtube post b4 its just comes up blank?

Ty anyhow

Tar.Aldarion

Doesn't seem t o work for me.

Jesus Wept

Meh. It happens.

Mr E

Watched this show last night. He said call and it cost him big.... he would have been back in it if he had said all-in.

Loved the show of emotion from the winner at the end.... well deserved (though he ran like God on the FT, and he busted Kravchenko with a terrible call and sucked out)

Tar.Aldarion

Is it on youtube? No video on pokertube is showing up for me.

Mr.Plough

you have to use [pokertube] .. [/pokertube] tags

Sherifu

Terrible feeling for Tony G. De Wolfe is one lucky SOB.

cooker3

I loved DeWolfe and Andy Blacks reaction, quality
It couldn't happen to a nicer guy really

califano

should have just min bet the turn and river for the craic

Dub13

Here you go...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPk3QqPcxtI

Tar.Aldarion

Cheers.

mocata

I know that it aint the same as proper tournaments, very shallow stakcs, fewer hands per hour etc. but Andy Black has to be one of the worst players i have seen in that format, the amount of times he was all in big pots with k/x os was incredible. Glad he ran well and won for a change, made a couple of nice reads too in fairness. The most common image i have of him tho is him standing up praying for a suckout after playing a dominated hand.

CHD

mocata wrote: »

I know that it aint the same as proper tournaments, very shallow stakcs, fewer hands per hour etc. but Andy Black has to be one of the worst players i have seen in that format, the amount of times he was all in big pots with k/x os was incredible. Glad he ran well and won for a change, made a couple of nice reads too in fairness. The most common image i have of him tho is him standing up praying for a suckout after playing a dominated hand.

Was pretty much like that for everyone a few times though.

Makes good players like Hellmuth and Black look normal and Crap players like De Wolfe the luckbox and Coren look like there on a par with them.

Tar.Aldarion

Do you need some plugin for pokertube different from youtube? I can see youtube vids but not PT ones, quite perplexing.

Btw, same thing happened to me in the 4 aces, I thought he bet allin and I put my stack in the middle flipping over my cards. He had a set and I an oesd on flop. Same ruling was made, I could only call the river if he called my raise the turn. Straight made and I asked him to bet.

NickyOD

Originally Posted by mocata I know that it aint the same as proper tournaments, very shallow stakcs, fewer hands per hour etc. but Andy Black has to be one of the worst players i have seen in that format, the amount of times he was all in big pots with k/x os was incredible. Glad he ran well and won for a change, made a couple of nice reads too in fairness. The most common image i have of him tho is him standing up praying for a suckout after playing a dominated hand.

CHD wrote: »

Was pretty much like that for everyone a few times though.

Makes good players like Hellmuth and Black look normal and Crap players like De Wolfe the luckbox and Coren look like there on a par with them.

Actually I saw every hand of every heat in the series and Andy rarely got his money in bad except for his blow up in the final which had tonnes of play. It just got very shallow stacked towards the end. I would say Andy was the best player in the league except for DevilFsih who got very unlucky in his HU playoff with Annie Duke.

Hellmuth however was a complete clown in basically every heat that he played. I know I tend to be hard on Hellmuth but seriously he played like a total tard. I also don't understasnd why Roland get's so much stick. I think he's an exceptionally talented player who just happens to have sucked out on a lot of people.

H8GHOTI

NickyOD wrote: »

Actually I saw every hand of every heat in the series and Andy rarely got his money in bad except for his blow up in the final which had tonnes of play. It just got very shallow stacked towards the end. I would say Andy was the best player in the league except for DevilFsih who got very unlucky in his HU playoff with Annie Duke.

Hellmuth however was a complete clown in basically every heat that he played. I know I tend to be hard on Hellmuth but seriously he played like a total tard. I also don't understasnd why Roland get's so much stick. I think he's an exceptionally talented player who just happens to have sucked out on a lot of people.

Ya, I watched a good few episodes as well & Hellmuth did make a lot of bad plays.

I nearly fell off my chair watching the final when Tony G flipped over his hand. I would have loved if Andy Black had bet the flop, representing the 10, just to see the reaction.

YULETIRED

I've played a fair few tournys this year, in some I've played very well ie to the best of my limited ability and in others I've played like a PUB player and worse. The difference was my mindset beforehand. bad preparation etc.

So equally and I know Hellmuth is a pro, maybe Phil didn't put his heart and soul in that particular tournament. THis happens in all sports. Do we call Wayne Rooney a shte player becuase he has a stinker of a match. The fact is for donkaments , Phil Hellmuth record is unmatched in the showpiece events ie WSOP. He plays in his own distinct way and values TL above pot odds etc, I reckon he will get still more braclets....It why he plays the game I think.

Now on one hand we hail our ninja gingers as great players for getting superb results to getso far in the WSOP and yet Phil Helmutt who actually goes futher than both of them, gets lambasted. I rather hear what the top players in the game have to say on him to be honest rather than a few grinders who simply can never come near to his success.......

NickyOD

YULETIRED wrote: »

I rather hear what the top players in the game have to say on him to be honest rather than a few grinders who simply can never come near to his success.......

The top players in the game don't really have a lot to say about him to be honest. All the hype and talk about Hellmuth comes from his own big mouth.
I used to love Hellmuth but I'm a complete convert now. I would actually love to have him at my table because I don't believe he is better than the average tournament donkey.

I hate getting back to this topic so many times but I just can't help but bring up all the glaring evidence that points to the fact that Hellmuth is a poker equivilent to a glitch in the matrix. He is very good at what he does well, which is his reading ability against weak opponents, but everything else about his game is shocking bad. He plays excellent against very very bad fishy players but terrible against professional players. He is mathematically a complete dunse. He used to believe that AKo was a favourite over AKs preflop because it could draw to 2 flushes.

In his exit hand in his last heat in the premier league he limp called a 10BB shove in the SB with K-3o against Devilfish because he believed Devilfish would shove with anything. Devilfish wouldn't have shoved with absolutely anything and K-3o is only 51% against a random hand anyway. He doesn't understand that shoving > limp calling because he doens't understand basic maths.

These aren't things a normal professional player does even on a very bad day because they are basics that you just don't forget.

Thread hijack over.

Wreck

NickyOD wrote: »

He is mathematically a complete dunse. He used to believe that AKo was a favourite over AKs preflop because it could draw to 2 flushes.

That can't be true, unless it was when he first took up the game. I mean nobody is that dumb.

YULETIRED

I feel the same way about Liverpool but I can't ignore thier results over the years........:pac:

I can't see how he can win 11 bracelets..and be so bad...a gitch in the matrix LOL. He is good at what he does, which is what 99% of poker players dreams are made of. The average pro plays a different game based on the core fundamentals of poker so that in the long run they win the monies, this is a completely different game to what Hellmuth plays and indeed it will be argued for years as to how he does it, I don't know how he does it , If I did I'd have a bracelt myself, but I'm impressed with his results , if Andy Black had secured even half those results I'm willing to bet you would be getting his name tatoo'd onto your head and to speak ill of him would mean certian death. Dewolfe and Black have made some shocking plays that I've seen. Ask one of our Waterford friends about Dewolfe call in the PP last year. What was he beating with a call for half his chips...?

NickyOD

Wreck wrote: »

That can't be true, unless it was when he first took up the game. I mean nobody is that dumb.

It's completely true. He even said it in one of his Cardplayer articles in 2007 and he's rumoured to have had a 10K bet with Howard Lederer about it.

I actually witnessed him admit it to another pro who was ribbing him about it and he said he said it was because someone played a joke on him by running a fake analysis of it on a computer screen which he fell for.

YULETIRED

NickyOD wrote: »

I actually witnessed him admit it to another pro who was ribbing him about it and he said he said it was because some played a joke on him by running a fake analysis of it on a computer screen which he fell for.

Poker groupies are a real problem on the circuit,:rolleyes: that Phil is such a kidder, he cracks me up, he never seems to have a stright face though, what is behind that grin that's permanently on his face.......honey, I'm all in here. honey .......my god the writing is very big on boards tonight, these glasses are super....hey Nicky you left out a word, some what played a joke on him? some chimp? some make up artist? I need that word please....

NickyOD

YULETIRED wrote: »

Poker groupies are a real problem on the circuit,:rolleyes: that Phil is such a kidder, he cracks me up, he never seems to have a stright face though, what is behind that grin that's permanently on his face.......honey, I'm all in here. honey .......my god the writing is very big on boards tonight, these glasses are super....hey Nicky you left out a word, some what played a joke on him? some chimp? some make up artist? I need that word please....

some genius?

phantom_lord

YULETIRED wrote: »

I can't see how he can win 11 bracelets..and be so bad.

he's spent the last 20years playing as many wsop events as he can trying to win bracelets, i don't think him having 11 says a whole lot about his poker skills, and it certainly doesn't make him the best tournament player in the world!

seabeast wrote:

You are underestimating how much of tournament motivation has to do with ego.

Guys like Hellmuth and Matusow both a) love and thrive on the attention from tournaments due to their combination of huge ego, and insecurity; and b) struggle in cash games, due to their combination of huge ego and insecurity.

Doyle has said himself he probably could have had easily 20-30 bracelets if he actually cared, but no-one was keeping score and he just wanted to make the real money.

Hellmuth has the most bracelets to a large extent because he has cared the most, for the longest, whereas a guy like Chip Reese sat there quietly making tens of millions and only bothered playing tournaments because the tv boom came and his daughters asked him to, and a guy like Phil Ivey has to bet several million on himself to talk himself into wanting to even show up.

how can u have any respect for him after seeing him constantly do interviews like this:

http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/wsoptv/index.asp?curPage=1&videocatid=0&videoid=203

cardshark202

"They were learning from me as I played".

Tar.Aldarion

phantom_lord wrote: »

how can u have any respect for him after seeing him constantly do interviews like this:

http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/wsoptv/index.asp?curPage=1&videocatid=0&videoid=203

How can anybody not want to hit him?

phantom_lord

i called and check folded every flop, how could i lose!

cooker3

Hellmuths greatest achievement is making people believe that winning bracelets equates to skill

YULETIRED

I'm not getting into a touny versus cash player argument...no chimpin way...however.
1) I never said he was 'the best' I did say I was impressed by 11 bracelets, plus he wasn't 'that bad'...you guys are not impressed ....big swing.
2) The two players PL mentions actually went deeper than our own two heros in this years WSOP......so using your logic their achievement is actually nothing to harp on about.....
3) Cash players will continue to have a go at Phil Hellmouth fine, I still bet that everyone of you would swap your game for his success....(lie if you wish)

4) If you are going to quote players at least give links , otherwise it's just 2+2 crap sent around by the heresay and daresay chimps

As for the legend that is chip reese. (rip) I can't access the clip I sent around of this famous cash player last year , but in it, he decrys the pot odds merchants and basically admits to paying more attention to soul reads etc. IN CASH GAMES...... LOL the irony of it.
In a nutshell to WIN 11 bracelets with todays fields is an excellent achievement and Phil remains one of the top tournament players in the world, this is a fact, no matter how you want to pi$$ on his achievements.

Would I want him at my table, of course....I like to be entertianed.

Don't get me wrong as a bloke he is a bit of a nob, but so was John McEnroe.

this clip is funny though..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE05bdyVaGw&feature=related

cardshark202

Yeah I don't think getting into the last 100 in the wsop is any big deal either
EDIT: Also a load of his bracelets were won in smaller fields

YULETIRED

cardshark202 wrote: »

Yeah I don't think getting into the last 100 in the wsop is any big deal either

how about winning it?

NickyOD

YULETIRED wrote: »

In a nutshell to WIN 11 bracelets with todays fields is an excellent achievement and Phil remains one of the top tournament players in the world, this is a fact, no matter how you want to pi$$ on his achievements

Yes it would be, if anyone ever manages it.