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Congrats Ben Dunne.

  • 12-07-2008 10:30pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭


    "Two little men, boxing like rhinoceroses."

    Another W for Ben, surely. He boxed well tonight. Could of put Marghiano away about half-way through, but kept it safe.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭woody27


    he has learned so much since martinez (if thats spelt right). I enjoyed watching him tonight and he seem to be alot more comfortable in the ring fair play.

    still a cocky little ****er tho but thats what prob has him where he is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭raven136


    never been his biggest fan but tonight he was very good.

    What about the quality of opponent?was he better than the recent few?

    Munroe v Dunne would be a good fight


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    Yeah, very good performance from Dunne. Must have been tempting to put him away but kept his head well and didn't get sucked in. Only wish he had a bit more power in his "slaps" although he did land some big shots tonight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    Hard to say anything much, other than that Ben has great combos and style. Opposition was not championship level, and Ben is NOT 3 fights away from a title shot. Munroe..... maybe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Havermeyer


    Very well played by Dunne. I think he could have ended it sooner if he really wanted. Well fought though, bring on the next fight.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭Dodgykeeper




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    dlofnep wrote: »
    "Two little men, boxing like rhinoceroses."

    I was gonna come on here to ask people if they heard that as well! Couldn't believe it! In fairness, most people aren't aware of how well rhinoceroses box.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    I was gonna come on here to ask people if they heard that as well! Couldn't believe it! In fairness, most people aren't aware of how well rhinoceroses box.

    Right up there with "Andy Wears The Short Shorts" {Mick Dowling} and "Andy Could Knock A House Down...With His Punches" {Magee}


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir



    Some brilliant pictures there, DSLR?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭Dodgykeeper


    Nikon D 300


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭sligobhoy67


    Nikon D 300


    did you take those photos yerself mate? I took a few as well but nothing came out even in the same ball park as the quality of that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    dlofnep wrote: »
    "Two little men, boxing like rhinoceroses."

    Another W for Ben, surely. He boxed well tonight. Could of put Marghiano away about half-way through, but kept it safe.

    When Wlad does that, even when he ends it with one punch, people complain.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    shame the cocky little fart won

    the opponent was a joke tho.. Cant remmeber him even trying to box

    Anyone on the level of martinez or just below that will crucify dunne

    he`ll never be a champion, his attitude is bad and his power is non existent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭c1979


    was the fagan fight any good


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭yomchi


    Thats the last time I'll sit and listen to Magee and McCauly. Honest to god.

    Dunne boxed well, kept it safe, still lacks stopping power, he gained a bit muscle though. The opponent was certainly not 'world class' . All the touching gloves and smiles and hugs were a bit of a put off. If he's to come to close to a world title shot he's going to have to step up the opponents.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    Jon wrote: »
    Thats the last time I'll sit and listen to Magee and McCauly. Honest to god.

    Dunne boxed well, kept it safe, still lacks stopping power, he gained a bit muscle though. The opponent was certainly not 'world class' . All the touching gloves and smiles and hugs were a bit of a put off. If he's to come to close to a world title shot he's going to have to step up the opponents.


    My sentiments usually when it comes to Ben. Too much of the soft home touch. Can Ben make Bantamweight?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭buck65


    Personally I (and everyone in the pub ) was laughing at all the antics in the ring. This fight was a joke , anyone would look good against that clown, if Dunne was worth his salt he would have taken him out. No power or punch, the emperor (apart from a few nice combos and good hand speed) has no clothes. Sorry guys but Dunne is not world class.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭nice1franko


    Jon wrote: »
    Thats the last time I'll sit and listen to Magee and McCauly. Honest to god.

    That was seriously bad commentary... I'm all for a few gaffes; it adds character, gives us a few laughs and all that but that commentary was terrible... disjointed meanderings, Bernard arse-kissing, lather, rinse, repeat.

    Is it just me or is it getting worse? He made some comment after the Jim n Jojo fight as well about the RTE woman-on-the-ground "there she is, dressed in black, with some sort of a red ... a red... I don't know what you call it... a jumper or something." wtf??

    I don't like to say it but it's time to hang up the mic.

    edit- or at least for the boxing, he barely even knows the sport anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭yomchi


    It was definately the worst I've ever heard, I know Magee is renouned for his long winding pedantic knowledge about nothing, but man he ruined the commentary by blabbering on and on and on. It was like listening to some old timer telling a story about years ago. Jimmy's done his bit for RTE sport, it's time to add some spark to boxing commentary. As for Dave boy, it's the same speel over and over again. Everyone is world class, did he even look at Machiano's record?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 biggi1


    Dunne is a former european champion,
    It was Martinez sheer luck that he caught Dunne off gaurd, thats how he was knocked out certainly not because Martinez is a better fighter, as this was told in his fight after dunnes where he was demolished.. Any given day Dunne would beat martinez, c'mon..

    cockyness in this sport gets mixed up with Confidence, cockyness and confidence is what the fans want to see,and is wat a successfull boxer needs, if he didnt entertain the fans (his thounsands and thousands of fans) as the arena does be packed out everytime, would anyone one like to go to a boxing match to see someone fight that had no confidence and just hangs on in there to get thru the rounds, dont think so..
    His opponent on Sat night recently fought for a world title so he obviously was good enough to go fot that, so yeah he was a world class fighter.

    Dunne should be very proud of himself, he has acheived so much and its great to see an irish man doing very well for himself.. I met in once and he couldnt have been more obliging to get a photo with my kids. SO an attitude problem is something is something he DOES NOT have. He is a gent.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭yomchi


    cockyness and confidence is what the fans want to see

    Really?
    I want to see boxing. I don't need to be stimulated by cockiness or over confidence. I don't mind the whole acting up thing to be honest. I thought on Saturday though that starting the fight Dunne was quieter than normal, then when he realised he was fighting someone who couldn't catch him, he started to get cocky, rounds 6 and 7 for example he stared to drop his hands again, no lessons learned there obviously. I like Dunne and have met him before on 2 occasions no doubt he's a lovely guy, a likeable fella. Bit when he has beaten Martinez, beaten Munroe and is facing the likes of Vasquez, then cockyness fits the fighter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭nice1franko


    biggi1 wrote: »
    Dunne is a former european champion,
    It was Martinez sheer luck that he caught Dunne off gaurd, thats how he was knocked out certainly not because Martinez is a better fighter, as this was told in his fight after dunnes where he was demolished.. Any given day Dunne would beat martinez, c'mon.
    Ah stop the lights... :D

    I'm not his biggest fan by any stretch but I think he's very good to a certain extent and I've always *hoped* he'd do well - I could just never see a champ in him though and, depsite some improvements (albeit against a rubbish opponent), I still can't.

    Anyway, if I heard that "caught cold" bollix once more I was going to mute it so I was glad to hear him admit to being "comprehensively beaten" (his words) by Martinez in the pre-fight interview. At least he can see it for what it was even if his fan(atic)s can't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    Jon wrote: »
    It was definately the worst I've ever heard, I know Magee is renouned for his long winding pedantic knowledge about nothing, but man he ruined the commentary by blabbering on and on and on. It was like listening to some old timer telling a story about years ago. Jimmy's done his bit for RTE sport, it's time to add some spark to boxing commentary. As for Dave boy, it's the same speel over and over again. Everyone is world class, did he even look at Machiano's record?


    Darragh Maloney? Ray Houghton? Peter Collins? Titcalf eunuchs the lot of them. They won't help you one bit. They couldn't call the balls at bingo. They're useless mate. No worse than Roaring John Rawling and Richie Woodballs, but fukced, nonetheless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 biggi1


    I think any fight fan will know the definition of the " caught cold" bollix you refer to and know only too well that its exactly how you would discribe that fight wether you are sick of hearing it or not. That wat happend FACT! And im sure Dunne is well aware of what happened and has made no excuses for it..

    anyway everyone dwells on the past way to much..
    Im know and believe Dunne will make a world champ one day and Y'all will be eating your words :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,229 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    buck65 wrote: »
    Personally I (and everyone in the pub ) was laughing at all the antics in the ring. This fight was a joke , anyone would look good against that clown, if Dunne was worth his salt he would have taken him out. No power or punch, the emperor (apart from a few nice combos and good hand speed) has no clothes. Sorry guys but Dunne is not world class.

    Another win for Dunne against possibly his weakest ever foe. I honestly thought that the fight was a staged sparring session at times. Dunne, I think, in rd 8 or 9 had Marchiano reeling, but his lack of stamina and power let him down and Marchiano actually was forcing the action later in the rd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,704 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    That was seriously bad commentary... I'm all for a few gaffes; it adds character, gives us a few laughs and all that but that commentary was terrible... disjointed meanderings, Bernard arse-kissing, lather, rinse, repeat.

    Is it just me or is it getting worse? He made some comment after the Jim n Jojo fight as well about the RTE woman-on-the-ground "there she is, dressed in black, with some sort of a red ... a red... I don't know what you call it... a jumper or something." wtf??

    I don't like to say it but it's time to hang up the mic.

    edit- or at least for the boxing, he barely even knows the sport anyway

    anyone remember when dunne had yer man in trouble and jimmy had him already knocked out and 10 counted before he recovered and got himself seet again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭Running Bing


    biggi1 wrote: »
    Dunne is a former european champion,
    It was Martinez sheer luck that he caught Dunne off gaurd, thats how he was knocked out certainly not because Martinez is a better fighter, as this was told in his fight after dunnes where he was demolished.. Any given day Dunne would beat martinez, c'mon..

    cockyness in this sport gets mixed up with Confidence, cockyness and confidence is what the fans want to see,and is wat a successfull boxer needs, if he didnt entertain the fans (his thounsands and thousands of fans) as the arena does be packed out everytime, would anyone one like to go to a boxing match to see someone fight that had no confidence and just hangs on in there to get thru the rounds, dont think so..
    His opponent on Sat night recently fought for a world title so he obviously was good enough to go fot that, so yeah he was a world class fighter.

    Dunne should be very proud of himself, he has acheived so much and its great to see an irish man doing very well for himself.. I met in once and he couldnt have been more obliging to get a photo with my kids. SO an attitude problem is something is something he DOES NOT have. He is a gent.


    Who gave Davey Boy a boards account?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 biggi1


    Why???? because i dont agree with wat y'all are saying.

    for every hater thats on this board there are a thousand fans.:P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭Running Bing


    biggi1 wrote: »
    Dunne is a former european champion,
    It was Martinez sheer luck that he caught Dunne off gaurd, thats how he was knocked out certainly not because Martinez is a better fighter, as this was told in his fight after dunnes where he was demolished.. Any given day Dunne would beat martinez, c'mon..

    cockyness in this sport gets mixed up with Confidence, cockyness and confidence is what the fans want to see,and is wat a successfull boxer needs, if he didnt entertain the fans (his thounsands and thousands of fans) as the arena does be packed out everytime, would anyone one like to go to a boxing match to see someone fight that had no confidence and just hangs on in there to get thru the rounds, dont think so..
    His opponent on Sat night recently fought for a world title so he obviously was good enough to go fot that, so yeah he was a world class fighter.

    Dunne should be very proud of himself, he has acheived so much and its great to see an irish man doing very well for himself.. I met in once and he couldnt have been more obliging to get a photo with my kids. SO an attitude problem is something is something he DOES NOT have. He is a gent.



    So you met him once for a few minutes and you know everything about his attitude. I know people who have trained extensively with the fella and while I have'nt heard any reports of him being rude per se he is a cocky arrogant big headed git by all accounts.


    That doesnt bother me though, PBF was one of my favourite fighters and he had an awful attitude...what gets to me is Bernard believeing the RTE hype machine building him into something he is not.

    Bernards flaws are clear for all to see. That fella didnt even fight on Saturday , it was comical, people were laughing at it ffs. As for Machiano being a world class opponent.....wake up mate and stop talking bollox.


    You want to support an Irish fighter...fair play, your more than entitled to (even though I feel Duddy and Lee are much more deserving of praise and support) but dont buy the bull**** about Machiano being world class.


    As for this being "caught cold" bollos...the last time I checked it was a boxing match? Its like a team in football winning the champions league and people saying "well they only won because they scored that extra goal on a counter attack"...thats the point of the sport.:rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,229 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    biggi1 wrote: »
    Why???? because i dont agree with wat y'all are saying.

    for every hater thats on this board there are a thousand fans.:P

    Who hates Dunne?
    Quite a strong and nasty word is hate.
    I think you are confusing the issue.
    Just because a person or persons believe Dunne
    is not close on world level; does not translate to HATE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭Running Bing


    My favourite Mageeism is when he decides to count the punches:confused:


    "Lets just count how many land here"

    "thats one for Rock, two.....fve, eleven"


    "Rock wears pink gloves"




    Get rid of the clown ffs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 biggi1


    ooohhh obviously one of the haters....

    i really dont think and would find it very hard to believe people were laughing there heads of, dont be ridiculas, maybe the one or two other haters you were watching it with..

    People turn up in there thousands to watch him. He is loved as a boxer...


    NUFF SAID...

    And Hate??? Not so long ago (walsh) you were hoping or not wanting him back in the ring because of a loss... MMM yeah hater!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭Running Bing


    biggi1 wrote: »
    ooohhh obviously one of the haters....

    i really dont think and would find it very hard to believe people were laughing there heads of, dont be ridiculas, maybe the one or two other haters you were watching it with..

    People turn up in there thousands to watch him. He is loved as a boxer...


    NUFF SAID...

    And Hate??? Not so long ago (walsh) you were hoping or not wanting him back in the ring because of a loss... MMM yeah hater!!!!


    I think you might be a wind up merchant?

    You dont think anyone was laughing at Machianos antics during the fight? Very strange.


    And as for people turning up in their thousands from being at loads of Dunnes fights in the past, I would argue the majority are not really boxing fans and go for the night out and because of the RTE hype machine.


    Again Im not a hater, my family has close links with Dunne and I would love to be able to really get behind him but I just find it difficult. Like I said Duddy and Lee are two of my favourite fighters....why do you think people would just irrationally hate Dunne?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 biggi1


    Why do I have to be winding you up? because Machiano acting all the macho stuff (is that what they were laughing at) and calling Dunne on, dunne was hurting him and that was clear, so if ye think Machiano was doing that trying to mock Dunne you are so off the mark...

    Oh and love your loyalty by the way!!!

    So you still a big fan of Lee after his loss??? And still a fan of Duddy being close to have gotten beat by a no one where he could have made millions fighing SOME One????

    cause seems to me people only love ya till ye screw up...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭Running Bing


    biggi1 wrote: »
    Why do I have to be winding you up? because Machiano acting all the macho stuff (is that what they were laughing at) and calling Dunne on, dunne was hurting him and that was clear, so if ye think Machiano was doing that trying to mock Dunne you are so off the mark...

    Oh and love your loyalty by the way!!!

    So you still a big fan of Lee after his loss??? And still a fan of Duddy being close to have gotten beat by a no one where he could have made millions fighing SOME One????


    cause seems to me people only love ya till ye screw up...


    Wow

    Your all over the place biggi.


    What was laughable was Machiano messing around showboating while Bernard Dunne just stood back laughing at him. Thats not a boxing match and it said everything about the quality of the opposition. After the fight Machiano looked like had just been around to his grans house for tea...not like he just spent 30 minutes with a "world class" fighter.

    As someone said earlier the whole pub was laughing. I was watching it with my family many of whom are fans of Dunnes and we were all laughing. It was a joke tbh like a lot of Dunnes fights.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 biggi1


    He was HURT... End off.. he was acting all macho to pretend he wasnt...
    He was trying to get Dunne into a brawl, the kind of fight that he wanted, but dunne done wat was right and not got in to it. He kept it all cool..

    Maybe you would have been happy with a knock out???(either way by tha sounds of it) but then again sure ye would have had something to complain about then too....
    OOh imagine 5 people laughing, im sure Dunne will be devasted:o
    Gotto to go now, im sure ill be back on when the next bout comes about.. But ill defenitly be back on when he is going for that world belt... We shall see who will be laughing then!!! :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭Running Bing


    biggi1 wrote: »
    He was HURT... End off.. he was acting all macho to pretend he wasnt...
    He was trying to get Dunne into a brawl, the kind of fight that he wanted, but dunne done wat was right and not got in to it. He kept it all cool..

    Maybe you would have been happy with a knock out???(either way by tha sounds of it) but then again sure ye would have had something to complain about then too....
    OOh imagine 5 people laughing, im sure Dunne will be devasted:o
    Gotto to go now, im sure ill be back on when the next bout comes about.. But ill defenitly be back on when he is going for that world belt... We shall see who will be laughing then!!! :confused:

    Thank god we'll never see you again:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 biggi1


    we'll see...:P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭nice1franko


    I reckon biggi1 either: a) knows Bernard personally b) is a wind up merchant c) is a wally

    or some combination of the three


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,229 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    biggi1 wrote: »
    ooohhh obviously one of the haters....

    i really dont think and would find it very hard to believe people were laughing there heads of, dont be ridiculas, maybe the one or two other haters you were watching it with..

    People turn up in there thousands to watch him. He is loved as a boxer...


    NUFF SAID...

    And Hate??? Not so long ago (walsh) you were hoping or not wanting him back in the ring because of a loss... MMM yeah hater!!!!
    You are a wind up merchant!

    And obviously related to Dunne, which is seriously clouding your judgment.

    It's either that or you haven't the first clue about boxing


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 biggi1


    wow all 3 or 4 of you must find it really hard to believe he has genuine fans...

    dunno why you are on these boards if you dont want to hear other peoples threads if they dont agree with wat you all believe..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,229 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    biggi1 wrote: »
    wow all 3 or 4 of you must find it really hard to believe he has genuine fans...

    dunno why you are on these boards if you dont want to hear other peoples threads if they dont agree with wat you all believe..
    Talk about stating the obvious. He does indeed have genuine fans and I myself think Bernard's a good lad, lovely style and moves etc. I simply do not rate him as highly as you. You seem to have a problem because others do not see the class you see. That's all mate. We differ on how we rate Dunne, get over it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    Babybing wrote: »
    Thank god we'll never see you again:D

    While Dunne winning a World title is unlikely(especially with the current champions) it was said that he actually turned down a chance to fight Celestino Caballero(WBA champion) next October .

    Now you might say this just shows that Dunne's camp don't want to put him in with anybody but I think putting him in with a World Class fighter at this stage in his comeback wouldn't be doing him any favours . If he was to regain his European title I think they would go for it after a defence or two .

    So while Bernard Dunne may never win a World title I think it's pretty likely he'll fight for one at least once in his career .


    biggi1 even though I say all alphabet World titles are really meaningless(and in one sense they are) it is easier to get a shot at an IBO title than WBC/WBA/WBO/IBF . So getting to fight for one does not show a fighter is World class, and considering how Mabuza dealt with him it shows Marchiano is nowhere near World class . Even if Mabuza is possibly the best Bantamweight in the World, prospect Abner Mares won 10 out of 12 rounds against Marchiano and Dunne didn't even come close to losing a round .
    That wouldn't have happened if he was World Class .

    I'm only after watching it now as I was at a music festival(which shall not be named) over the weekend and I think it was a very good performance even taking into account the opposition .
    I think Dunne in one sense did a better job on Marchiano than Mares did as he got hit a lot less and never let Marchiano into the fight at any point .

    Marchiano isn't the worst fighter Dunne has fought, he's better than Hughes, Wilders, Santillian, Jailouev, Betts, Leondraliu and probably all of his opposition in America except for Valdez . So the 8th best fighter Dunne has fought .
    It's only been 3 months since Machado so the opponent was fine but now it's time to pick things up .

    I'd like to see him out again in early October with a fight against someone like Tomas Villa, Hugo Dianzo or Antonio Meza . or if they are looking to make sure of that mandatory position 100% take on Frenchman Jeremy Parodi(who holds the EU title but is crap) . That mandatory position is 99% assured anyway so there isn't that much point in a Parodi fight .

    Then after that take on Antonio Escalante(a fight that was talked about before) or else an all Irish affair with Paulie Hyland . It's in Dunne's best interests to take Hyland on now before he improves too much .

    TBH I'm not expecting opposition of this calibre(bar a guy of Parodi's level) until Dunne fights for the European title again . But if he fights guys above the level of Machado before he gets his European shot I'll be happy enough .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,229 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The Hyland that fought at 122 lbs in the NBA arena last week KO's Dunne I feel.
    That's the level Dunne is at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    walshb wrote: »
    The Hyland that fought at 122 lbs in the NBA arena last week KO's Dunne I feel.
    That's the level Dunne is at.

    I knew you were very impressed by Hyland that night, and while I was too I was pretty surprised when you made that comment on another thread, because to me Paulie seems to be Bernard Dunne mark two(possibly without the weak chin) .
    His defence is very much reliant on reflexes like Dunne and he also drops his hands, hangs them low and at times leaves his chin there . He seems to also lack power like Dunne . He is very quick though, very slick, is capable of putting his punches together beuatifully and works the body very nicely .

    But that was Marc Callaghan he was fighting and although you may think different I would back Marchiano to get the better of Callaghan .

    Hyland's never had his chin or stamina properly tested and he hasn't been in with anyone even close to the level of Dunne .

    I'm a little surprised for someone as cautious as yourself(not really the type to jump on a bandwagon or call a fighter great while they're unproven) to think that much of Hyland .

    I personally think Dunne's experience and level of opposition(although you may say it has been poor he has faced guys a light years ahead of Hyland's opposition) would be too much for young Hyland .

    But given time Paulie may very well turn out to be a better fighter and lets hope he has a better chin too .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,229 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Big Ears wrote: »
    I knew you were very impressed by Hyland that night, and while I was too I was pretty surprised when you made that comment on another thread, because to me Paulie seems to be Bernard Dunne mark two(possibly without the weak chin) .
    His defence is very much reliant on reflexes like Dunne and he also drops his hands, hangs them low and at times leaves his chin there . He seems to also lack power like Dunne . He is very quick though, very slick, is capable of putting his punches together beuatifully and works the body very nicely .

    But that was Marc Callaghan he was fighting and although you may think different I would back Marchiano to get the better of Callaghan .

    Hyland's never had his chin or stamina properly tested and he hasn't been in with anyone even close to the level of Dunne .

    I'm a little surprised for someone as cautious as yourself(not really the type to jump on a bandwagon or call a fighter great while they're unproven) to think that much of Hyland .

    I personally think Dunne's experience and level of opposition(although you may say it has been poor he has faced guys a light years ahead of Hyland's opposition) would be too much for young Hyland .

    But given time Paulie may very well turn out to be a better fighter and lets hope he has a better chin too .

    Don't get me wrong, I don't think Hyland is the next Eder Jofre or anything; but his display last week looked pretty impressive. I don't go on what he has or has NOT done, I simply watched him, his opponent, who was quite tough and strong and I envision Dunne in against him. I think Hyland is a better banger, with more variety and a much better body attack. He is fairly aggressive, tall, rangy and Dunne will find it hard to simply pitter patter for 10 rds with Hyland, Dunne will have to engage, and I think he will come out second best to a superior puncher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    walshb wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong, I don't think Hyland is the next Eder Jofre or anything; but his display last week looked pretty impressive. I don't go on what he has or has NOT done, I simply watched him, his opponent, who was quite tough and strong and I envision Dunne in against him. I think Hyland is a better banger, with more variety and a much better body attack. He is fairly aggressive, tall, rangy and Dunne will find it hard to simply pitter patter for 10 rds with Hyland, Dunne will have to engage, and I think he will come out second best to a superior puncher

    Fair enough, I also was thinking to myself what if that were Dunne fighting him and tbh I saw Dunne outboxing him in a competitive fight .

    Hyland may be a better banger but I don't think significantly so, like Dunne he seems to be a little feather fisted .

    Munroe was rocking Callaghan around the place and got him out of there within 6, and while Munroe is a decent puncher when he wants to be(especially at European level) he is no Vasquez in the power stakes .

    Jackson Asiku who has a decent punch had no trouble blowing Callaghan away in a round either and Michael Hunter who I feel is a lighter hitter than Dunne even managed to stop him in their second fight .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭sston


    I think both Dunne and Hyland are similiar in terms of their strengths and weaknesses (both have plenty of ability, are quick and have decent reflexes however neither looks like a puncher and they both look quite weak physically). However at the moment I don't think Hyland would trouble Dunne. He's far too inexpereinced, Callahan was pretty shot and even at his best he was just below British title level while Dunne has already proven he's well above British level by beating the likes of Sean Hughes and Pickering easily enough.

    Don't get me wrong I think with the right fights Hyland can get closer but for me it's telling that for both their biggest strength is their boxing ability but when you look at their amateur achievements Dunne was muh the better amateur.

    If they meet in the pros I'd expect Dunne to outpoint him pretty comfortably becuase I don't think Hyland has the power or strength to bother him but it would be a nice all Irish clash to look forward to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭joepenguin


    c1979 wrote: »
    was the fagan fight any good

    Was pretty good. He landed some good body shots and right hands (won on points 60-54). His opponent only had a 1-2 record or something like that but he has a rematch with Verquan Kimbrough for the usba title in a few weeks. Hopefully he will be fighting Murray for one of his Irish titles in a few months.


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