Double Standards in the GAA

Pride Fighter

So Collie Moran shoulders a player in the upper part of his chest, while the player has the ball, bruises his collar bone and the referee deals with the situation in the game. Then due to media and CCCC/GAA pressure upgrades it to a red card.
Mark O'Se attempts to win a ball and fails. In order to secure posession he shields the ball and as a result shoulders a player in the head, very dangerous IMO. Ref makes a bad call and sends him off when it should have been a yellow. Then due to media pressure the CHC (I think) rescinds the red card and he is free to play in the next game.
I am sick of all these rubbish decisions and double standards in the GAA, both situations warranted a yellow card IMO. Any unbiased person can see that the GAA's disciplinary procedures are absolute rubbish and this has turned a lot of people I know off the game. No wonder attendances are brutal this year, the amatuerness of Nicky Brennans reign has put people off Gaelic games.
Do others agree/disagree.

Nalced_irl

Fully agree altho prepare for the storm...you know its coming!

It is unbelievable in fairness. Some of it at this stage just makes you laugh! As i said before, Geraghty punches 3 players in the face in one match, all seen easily by TV cameras which in any sport in the world is 3 red card offences but no after punishment. Whelan clothslines a player in possession with no hint of an accident, straight red should have been shown and in fairness quite a ban but no after punishment. I could go on and on but suddenly this very debatable incident which was almost carbon copied but worse 2 weeks later is after punished in one case and pardoned in the worse one. The GAA i think are doing their absolute best to promote Irishness in AFL at this stage!

Zzippy

Disagree. I think justice was done in both cases. I thought CM's tackle was rough play, the player was already falling and he didn't have to go in. Could have been a bad injury. The O'Se sending off was at most a yellow card, thought it looked a lot worse than it was.
I think the GAA have been equally strict and equally fair to everyone this year, they are starting to firm up on discipline (although there are still too many bloody committees), and players will learn that they can't get away with dirty play.

PS I'm a Dub myself so don't say I'm biased :P

Pride Fighter

Zzippy wrote: »

Disagree. I think justice was done in both cases. I thought CM's tackle was rough play, the player was already falling and he didn't have to go in. Could have been a bad injury. The O'Se sending off was at most a yellow card, thought it looked a lot worse than it was.
I think the GAA have been equally strict and equally fair to everyone this year, they are starting to firm up on discipline (although there are still too many bloody committees), and players will learn that they can't get away with dirty play.

PS I'm a Dub myself so don't say I'm biased :P

Well thats your opinion but Nalced brought up Whelan flooring the Meath midfielder after 4 seconds and only getting a yellow card. I am a Dub and he deserved to go. Its not necessarily these two incidents but the shambolic nature of GAA discipline over the past few years.

Zzippy

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Well thats your opinion but Nalced brought up Whelan flooring the Meath midfielder after 4 seconds and only getting a yellow card. I am a Dub and he deserved to go. Its not necessarily these two incidents but the shambolic nature of GAA discipline over the past few years.

I was replying to the OP about the 2 incidents mentioned, and not to Nalced's post - I was out of the country for a few weeks when the Meath match was played so didn't even see that incident. Besides, I think he was very biased when he said the O'Se incident was worse than the Moran one - I thought the Moran one was a lot rougher, and it even looked worse.

jackbhoy

Pride Fighter wrote: »

So Collie Moran shoulders a player in the upper part of his chest, while the player has the ball, bruises his collar bone and the referee deals with the situation in the game. Then due to media and CCCC/GAA pressure upgrades it to a red card.
Mark O'Se attempts to win a ball and fails. In order to secure posession he shields the ball and as a result shoulders a player in the head, very dangerous IMO. .

I'm loath to get involved in this thread but this rewriting of history is crazy, its amazing how so many people can watch the same replay and form diametrically opposed opinions in it depending on what county they are from.

I think you are seeing both incidents through blue tinted glasses and using the 2nd to try and reinforce a non-argument.
CM leaned down with his shoulder while running in to make contact with Bannons head, thats looks very obvious in replay, so there was some intent.
O'Se turned his back to the onrushing player and leaned out to shield the ball, the Cork player ran into him, very little intent on O'Se's part.

Both Moran and O'Se are two of cleanest players in inter-county game, but they are human and I'm sure they'd admit to having "hit" people unfairly in heat of battle. In this case Morans looked like intent (out of character or not), O'Se's looked accidental, video evidence confirms this so they got punished/reprieved accordingly.
PF can you honestly tell me if you swapped Bannon and Moran in that incident you'd agree there was no intent? I'd say most dubs here would be looking to see a ban upheld in that case. Likewise if a Dub player was in O'Ses position would you agree that Red should be downgraded to yellow?

Nalced_irl

uhhh! Cant we ban this "Blue tinted glasses" phrase which seems to be the "in" thing? Amazing how people can see different things from the same replay, I agree! You say he dropped the shoulder into him, others saying he lead with the elbow, just waiting for someone claiming he led with a bloody samurai sword at this stage tbh! Everyone seems to be seeing something there but different. Can anyone ignore the slow replay and notice he had about 0.5 seconds at most to react?

Btw, i have stated already that O Se should not have been sent off, but can u honestly say he "accidentally" turned his shoulder towards an oncoming players chest? He knew full well that that player was going straight into his shoulder. Red card? No, but turning your shoulder into an on coming player is still intent. I dont agree that Moran showed any intent as i dont think any person can react to show it that fast. In my mind the only foul there was from the Dublin player behind Bannon (cant remember who it was) who gave him a nudge in the back.

DeepBlue

How many threads do we need to have on this? :rolleyes:

Pride Fighter

Zzippy wrote: »

I was replying to the OP about the 2 incidents mentioned, and not to Nalced's post - I was out of the country for a few weeks when the Meath match was played so didn't even see that incident. Besides, I think he was very biased when he said the O'Se incident was worse than the Moran one - I thought the Moran one was a lot rougher, and it even looked worse.

I am the OP. I just brought up those two incidents as an example, there are plenty of others we can all bring up.

CyberDave

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Mark O'Se attempts to win a ball and fails. In order to secure posession he shields the ball and as a result shoulders a player in the head, very dangerous IMO. Ref makes a bad call and sends him off when it should have been a yellow. Then due to media pressure the CHC (I think) rescinds the red card and he is free to play in the next game.

The difference was Marc O'Se was playing on a pitch with very slippy underfoot conditions and couldn't pull out once he had committed to the challenge. Surely if media pressure was the reason the red card was receeded then media could have had the same effect with Moran seen as the Dubs get so much media coverage?

jank

Why is any one surprised at this?
One just has to look at the Semplegate fiasco last year to sum up GAA's disciplinary procedures.

Nalced_irl

jank wrote: »

Why is any one surprised at this?
One just has to look at the Semplegate fiasco last year to sum up GAA's disciplinary procedures.

Thats only one of many many idiotic decisions that they have made tho. It seems to happen more and more these days.

Nalced_irl

CyberDave wrote: »

The difference was Marc O'Se was playing on a pitch with very slippy underfoot conditions and couldn't pull out once he had committed to the challenge. Surely if media pressure was the reason the red card was receeded then media could have had the same effect with Moran seen as the Dubs get so much media coverage?

The media seemed to go the opposite way for Moran tho. They put pressure on to have him banned and funnily enough the GAA bowed down to them. Anyway, we are focusing too much on those 2 incidents. In general the GAA`s discipline is a complete joke. The 2 i mentioned previously were far worse than either of the O Se or Moran challenges and nothing was done. Just to show im not being biased, there are 2 Whelan incidents, against Meath and Mayo that surely deserved a lengthy ban if Morans deserves one? And also the Geraghty one against us (have to keep that in there ).

Keano

The GAA is biased and everyone can have their opinion but so many incidents every year go unpunished but then one of the stronger counties players does something and the whole country is outraged and GAA react and punish him. It will never change.

Erin Go Brath

I don't think their is double standards at all in the GAA relating to different counties. I just think that at times there is really bad, and inconsistent refereeing and that is the problem. The incidents in the major games will obviously be scrutinised more than in the lower profile games, and said incidents will be the focus of media; Sunday game/newspapers/radio shows etc as its more of interest to a larger number of people. The lesser counties will cry the bigger counties get all the decisions aswell though. I've come to the conclusion we're just a country of moany gits