Dublin v Kerry

jamesonandcoke

Based on the two teams performances so far this season who has the edge if they met in this years championship?

Nalced_irl

Far too early to say imo. They are 2 teams that can struggle a bit early on in the campaign but lift it in the latter stages. Kerry have proved they can lift it enough to go all the way where we unfortunately have fallen short on the last hurdle. As things stand i would say Dublin might be able to lift it just enough to get over Kerry as i hope lessons were learned last year but its too hard to say.

Mr. Incognito

All you can go on is last year as the teams are pretty much unchanged and Kerry edged it- you'd have to say that they'd be favourites. I don't think Dublin have tightened up enough at the back but then again Kerry are a mcuh weakened team in midfield without Galvin.

will1977

Are you not getting a little bit ahead of yourself

Nalced_irl

Dont even know if he is from Kerry or Dublin, might not be. Completely hypathetical (sp?) question i presume tho. I just answered as if it was the next game to be played.

DDC1990

If the game wa played tomorrow, i'd fancy the Dubs (despite being from Kerry) Kerry need some time to work out a new tactic that would trouble Dublin because without Galvin and Declan O'Sullivan, we are v.weak around the Half-Forwards. Darragh Ó Sé loks far from match fit as well. Dubs would be far too physical.

kerry4sam

yeah i have to agree that it is too early for this thread ... Kerry have a lot of work to do and they showed in the Munster final that they are badly missing Galvin (for the work-horse that he is ) especially for the brking-ball.

As for Dublin, i have not seen enough of them to form a solid view as of yet

blackbelt

Its hard to say really,

Had Kerry been playing the way they were this time last year and Dublin the way they are now,I'd say without doubt Kerry and also vice versa.

However,both teams are not playing to their full potential and there seems to be a lot of unrest down in Kerry with the Galvin incident,Declan Sullivan being injured,Dara O Se being nowhere as fit as he should be and apparently Colm Cooper being off form.

Meanwhile,Dublins defense is blowing very hot and cold.Very unimpressive in the first half against Louth and yet pretty much won the game for Dublin against Westmeath by scoring points while the forwards struggled at times.

At the moment I'd say Dublin.I don't think Kerry are too dangerous without Galvin and O Sullivan.I think they are the real difference makers for Kerry along with an in-form Donaghy and Gooch.

I also don't know why Seamus Scanlon is on the Kerry team.I think he's crap.

kerry4sam

blackbelt wrote: »

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I also don't know why Seamus Scanlon is on the Kerry team.I think he's crap.

he has been dropped countless times through the years but has one good game and people question why he ain't on the panel and is subsequently brought back on for the next match :rolleyes: no team is perfect though :cool:

Tomthepost

I am going here on the subject matter. The whole thread kind of sends a shiver down my spine to be honest.
For what it is worth here would be my kerry team next day out.
1: D Murphy
2: M O Se
3: D O Se
4: P Reidy
5: K Young
6: A O Mahony
7: T O Se
8: K Donaghy
9: T Griffin
10: D Walsh
11: D Moran
12: D O Sullivan
13: C Cooper
14: T Walsh
15: B Sheehan

blackbelt

Tomthepost wrote: »

I am going here on the subject matter. The whole thread kind of sends a shiver down my spine to be honest.
For what it is worth here would be my kerry team next day out.
1: D Murphy
2: M O Se
3: D O Se
4: P Reidy
5: K Young
6: A O Mahony
7: T O Se
8: K Donaghy
9: T Griffin
10: D Walsh
11: D Moran
12: D O Sullivan
13: C Cooper
14: T Walsh
15: B Sheehan

Interesting...you've taken Donaghy out of the forwards,stuck him in midfield and moved Dara O Se to the backs.

In fairness,if I were you Tom,I'd wait to see who Kerry were playing next in order to name the team and positions.

Good choice leaving out Scanlon.Thats one of the rare things we agree on.I'd like to see Darren O Sullivan and Billy Sheehan switched from that lineup to see how they'd fit in those positions.

I still think Dara O Se and Tommy Griffin would be a better midfield pairing and leave Donaghy in the full forward line.One of the keys to Kerrys success in the last 2 years is the height which Donaghy provides in the danger area.

Tomthepost

blackbelt wrote: »

Interesting...you've taken Donaghy out of the forwards,stuck him in midfield and moved Dara O Se to the backs.

In fairness,if I were you Tom,I'd wait to see who Kerry were playing next in order to name the team and positions.

Good choice leaving out Scanlon.Thats one of the rare things we agree on.I'd like to see Darren O Sullivan and Billy Sheehan switched from that lineup to see how they'd fit in those positions.

I still think Dara O Se and Tommy Griffin would be a better midfield pairing and leave Donaghy in the full forward line.One of the keys to Kerrys success in the last 2 years is the height which Donaghy provides in the danger area.

I understand your point on us waiting to see who we are playing next but some fellas need a good kick up the behind and therefore I think Pat O Shea should take these radical steps.
Moran and Tommy Walsh may be young but they would also be hungry.
I also think Bryan Sheehan (Not Billy now play with Kildare ) is not mobile enough for the wing and Darren O' Sullivan would hopefully be able to make the hard yards in the absense of Declan O Sullivan and you know who!
Donaghy needs to finally take a bit more responsibility and Tommy Griffin is a good man to win breaking balls and do the donkey work so to speak. The Shane Ryan role I guess:D
I have left out Scanlon, Tom O'Sullivan, Eoin Brosnan and Sean O'Sullivan. I don't want to be too harsh but none of they covered themselves in glory against Cork.
Sean O' Sullivan did kick a few points but over the 70 mins his efforts were not enough to keep his place in my opinion.

Agus

Tomthepost wrote: »

I understand your point on us waiting to see who we are playing next but some fellas need a good kick up the behind and therefore I think Pat O Shea should take these radical steps.
Moran and Tommy Walsh may be young but they would also be hungry.
I also think Bryan Sheehan (Not Billy now play with Kildare ) is not mobile enough for the wing and Darren O' Sullivan would hopefully be able to make the hard yards in the absense of Declan O Sullivan and you know who!
Donaghy needs to finally take a bit more responsibility and Tommy Griffin is a good man to win breaking balls and do the donkey work so to speak. The Shane Ryan role I guess:D
I have left out Scanlon, Tom O'Sullivan, Eoin Brosnan and Sean O'Sullivan. I don't want to be too harsh but none of they covered themselves in glory against Cork.
Sean O' Sullivan did kick a few points but over the 70 mins his efforts were not enough to keep his place in my opinion.

In fairness, Tom O'Sullivan is a good corner-back playing out of position. Kerry definitely do need another option at no. 3.

Tomthepost

Agus wrote: »

In fairness, Tom O'Sullivan is a good corner-back playing out of position. Kerry definitely do need another option at no. 3.

I think that of the players I would be dropping it would be most harsh on Tom O Sullivan but I would like to see how Dara would go at fullback and it is very hard to drop Reidy or Marc o' Se.
There is surely some fullback out there in the county that could do ajob for us!
I wonder how Mike McCarthy is getting on and would he consider a comeback???

aidan24326

will1977 wrote: »

Are you not getting a little bit ahead of yourself

Indeed they are Will. By the look of this nonsense some of them think it's still 1976!

Agus

Tomthepost wrote: »

I think that of the players I would be dropping it would be most harsh on Tom O Sullivan but I would like to see how Dara would go at fullback and it is very hard to drop Reidy or Marc o' Se.
There is surely some fullback out there in the county that could do ajob for us!
I wonder how Mike McCarthy is getting on and would he consider a comeback???

He was very young to retire and since then Kerry seem vulnerable at full-back. In the long term someone like Mike Moloney or Aidan O’Shea might make a full-back, but in terms of possibilities for the current season moving Darragh Ó Sé might be as worth trying as anything else. Although I think Páidí Ó Sé said in the Independent that the idea was ridiculous! Marc might also be a possible full-back except that it would mean losing the best man-marker from the corner. Even Aidan O'Mahony might be tried, but then you would need another new no. 6.

Carcharodon

Tomthepost wrote: »

I also think Bryan Sheehan (Not Billy now play with Kildare ) .

Laois is it not

yayamark

My first sojourn back in to this place since last summer.:cool:

I've been pondering since the last game (dont mention the name) and ive come to the conclusion that i think it was an off day and i'll give an assesment on the basis of the display and result of the kingdoms next game.

Its hard to say what to do, i was toying myself (sounds dirty) with the idea of dara in full back, dropping scanlon, putting tommy walsh or donaghy in midfield, starting sullie.

Tis hard to call, tis hard to know

Best of luck to wexford in croker they'll need it.

Agus

yayamark wrote: »

My first sojourn back in to this place since last summer.:cool:

I've been pondering since the last game (dont mention the name) and ive come to the conclusion that i think it was an off day and i'll give an assesment on the basis of the display and result of the kingdoms next game.

Its hard to say what to do, i was toying myself (sounds dirty) with the idea of dara in full back, dropping scanlon, putting tommy walsh or donaghy in midfield, starting sullie.

Tis hard to call, tis hard to know

Best of luck to wexford in croker they'll need it.

Not sure Tommy has the mobility for senior inter-county midfield, I would prefer him at full-forward and Donaghy to come back to midfield.

yayamark

I suppose but would like it tried, IF we were winning well in a qualifier

Agus

Yes, I can see it might be worth trying at least.

gerardoleary

theres no beating the kingdom on the big stage with or without galvin.

decos back 4 sunday!!!!!!

blackbelt

gerardoleary wrote: »

theres no beating the kingdom on the big stage with or without galvin.

decos back 4 sunday!!!!!!

I think Declan O Sullivan is the best player Kerry have.I think he is underrated in comparison to Gooch,Donaghy and the O Se's.Kerry would not have won Sam last year without him and I believe he will be the key to Kerry's win on Sunday.......:(:(:(

Ekels

Tomthepost wrote: »

I am going here on the subject matter. The whole thread kind of sends a shiver down my spine to be honest.
For what it is worth here would be my kerry team next day out.
1: D Murphy
2: M O Se
3: D O Se
4: P Reidy
5: K Young
6: A O Mahony
7: T O Se
8: K Donaghy
9: T Griffin
10: D Walsh
11: D Moran
12: D O Sullivan
13: C Cooper
14: T Walsh
15: B Sheehan

You're spot on there, lad. Although, I prefer O'Sullivan's running game down the middle. I'd also nearly put David Moran out in the middle of the field, Griffin switching to the bench. Half forward could be readily filled by Sean O'Sullivan, or any junior footballer in the county that's not Eoin Brosnan.

I'm liking the look of the team for Monaghan. Thankfully they've dropped Brosnan and Gooch on the forty could work wonders.
However, on the basis of the side, they've failed to address full back and midfield; the two most pressing issues from the Cork game. Tom is a very capable corner back, but at full back, he's out of his depth. Seamus Scanlon has no football ability. He's decent under the breaking ball but he's far too slow on the ball. My own club played Currow twice in the last month and both games went to extra time. I had a good look at him in action with weaker players than he normally plays with and he was made look very average by a Kerry junior.

Ekels

Agus wrote: »

He was very young to retire and since then Kerry seem vulnerable at full-back. In the long term someone like Mike Moloney or Aidan O’Shea might make a full-back, but in terms of possibilities for the current season moving Darragh Ó Sé might be as worth trying as anything else. Although I think Páidí Ó Sé said in the Independent that the idea was ridiculous! Marc might also be a possible full-back except that it would mean losing the best man-marker from the corner. Even Aidan O'Mahony might be tried, but then you would need another new no. 6.

I'd forget about Mike Moloney. He's looked a very average player, both at minor and u21 level and I know a few Crokes men who aren't very certain of him.
Aidan O'Shea though is a possibility.
Padraig Reidy in a few years may well slip in there, like Mike McCarthy.

Ekels

Tomthepost wrote: »

I wonder how Mike McCarthy is getting on and would he consider a comeback???

His back is still bothering him. He's playing with a struggling club in Killcummin and I don't think he's been at his best either, from what I've heard.