Causing death by dangerous... cycling.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Ok.

If you are found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving, chances are you're going to get a jail stint. As well as a suspension of your licence.

Now, supposing you're on a bike and you knock someone down and kill them, should you get a sentence on the same lines...? Or just a fine?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/7496370.stm

The Story wrote:

A cyclist who knocked down a 17-year-old girl who later died from her injuries has been found guilty of dangerous cycling.

Rhiannon Bennett was hit by Jason Howard as she walked with friends in Buckingham in April 2007.

The 36-year-old shouted at her to "move because I'm not stopping", but rode into her. Rhiannon fell and hit her head and died from her injuries.

Howard, of Buckingham, was fined £2,200 by Aylesbury magistrates.

Ross_Mahon

You can get some speed on a bike, Like going down the hellfire on a mountain bike is fast.

Yeah should be along the lines of fines and jail.

Tha Gopher

Ridicious.

There are alot of very dangerous (mainly foreign, particularly Spanish/Italian appearance) cyclists in my area who go on the footpaths, Ive nearly been hit nuerous times.

Run_to_da_hills

Its basically some form of manslaugher i.e. Killing someone not intentionally but through reckless behaviour. I believe it can be up to 5 years here for a RTA caused by dangerous driving.

Ghost Train

see a good few cyclist in town who don't stop for red lights

also see pedestrians who blindly walk out in front of cyclists when other traffic is stopped so works both ways

do think more cyclists should use their breaks and anticipate having to stop just like cars do, not always that easy to see cyclists coming and can be difficult to spot them when watching the cars and buses

Cool_CM

On the continent they don't stop for anybody, I've almost been taken out a few times because I had headphones in and didn't hear their bell telling me that they were cycling up the middle of the footpath as opposed to in their cycling lane. Bästards

dazberry

Note the ad that was displayed when I viewed the story...

taidghbaby

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Ok.

If you are found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving, chances are you're going to get a jail stint. As well as a suspension of your licence.

Now, supposing you're on a bike and you knock someone down and kill them, should you get a sentence on the same lines...? Or just a fine?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/7496370.stm

i thought that you weren allowed to question the actions of cyclists???

ray darcy will be after your blood!

truecrippler

I always give way to pedestrians and try to cycle safe myself. It's just like road rage in a car but on a bike and ya don't give a fook so ya keep going. But I always remember... Safety First.

Plus, even when I'm on a cycle track, next to a big footpath, I nearly always see people walking on it, most dont move but often I have to get off and walk around them.

Ah well... there's all kinds of people on this planet.

raemie21

Was on George's St this evening and some guy turns left up Exchequer St, cutting right across a cyclist. He ended up stumbling/falling slowly off his bike a foot or two up the street and the car paused for a while before just heading on.
So then the cyclist simply picked up his bike and threw it on the car - hit the back windscreen, scraped down the boot and onto the road again. Car drives off, a bit quicker this time and the cyclist remounts, pauses for a while and then tells us he's gonna go after him up Exchequer St. Hope the traffic worked in his favour up S.William/Clarendon St.!

Think you can be charged with drink driving on a bike?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

raemie21 wrote: »

Was on George's St this evening and some guy turns left up Exchequer St, cutting right across a cyclist. He ended up stumbling/falling slowly off his bike a foot or two up the street and the car paused for a while before just heading on.
So then the cyclist simply picked up his bike and threw it on the car - hit the back windscreen, scraped down the boot and onto the road again. Car drives off, a bit quicker this time and the cyclist remounts, pauses for a while and then tells us he's gonna go after him up Exchequer St. Hope the traffic worked in his favour up S.William/Clarendon St.!

Think you can be charged with drink driving on a bike?

Ireland - no idea. Germany - yes AND you lose your driving licence too.

Steve

I would think that it's no different to punching someone in the face and they happen to die from it. Jail time FTW.
Why should it be any different if they were on a bike?

Davei141

SteveC wrote: »

I would think that it's no different to punching someone in the face and they happen to die from it. Jail time FTW.
Why should it be any different if they were on a bike?

Ehhhh because you dont punch people by accident? :rolleyes:

Steve

Davei141 wrote: »

Ehhhh because you dont punch people by accident? :rolleyes:

The 36-year-old shouted at her to "move because I'm not stopping", but rode into her. Rhiannon fell and hit her head and died from her injuries.

Is not an accident IMO.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Davei141

SteveC wrote: »

Is not an accident IMO.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Howard told police he thought the shout would be enough to avoid the crash.

Yeah cause he meant to crash into her, for ****s and giggles y'know.

WoollyRedHat

"move because I'm not stopping"

What kind of attitude is that to have?

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Steve

Davei141 wrote: »

Yeah cause he meant to crash into her, for ****s and giggles y'know.

How do you know what he meant to do? Is your name Howard? (:D)

If I shouted "duck" and then punched you in the gob 0.3 seconds later, would I have a defense?

Fozzy

Depends where the cyclist was I think. If the girl was walking on the road then she was in the wrong, if he was cycling on the path then he was

Fringe

Needs a bit more information. Did she just run out onto the road or was she crossing at a stop?

bandit197

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its basically some form of manslaugher i.e. Killing someone not intentionally but through reckless behaviour. I believe it can be up to 5 years here for a RTA caused by dangerous driving.

The maximum sentence in this country for dangerous driving causing death is 10 yrs.

bealbocht

I cycle a lot, and that guy, should have got jail. I can see how these things can happen, but hes still wrong.
You dont know the full court case. You can be sure, there is probably, the defence team showing a lot of "remorse and psychological problems as a result". Probably true, but he still should have stopped. Hes obviously an idiot, apart from anything else, if it was just a "normal" collision , you are likely to buckle your wheel and bump heads, and end up on your ear.

Rule of thumb.. pedestrians are always right.. even if they are scobies who push a pram in front of moving car, so it will stop and they can cross the road,(seen in Dolphins Barn) or an idiot girl, who is too stupid or arrogant to think traffic does not apply to her.

leninbenjamin

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

"move because I'm not stopping"

What kind of attitude is that to have?

in fairness we don't know because we weren't there. plenty of times pedestrians walk out in front and i haven't the chance to stop. bikes are like any moving vehicle, they need a stopping distance. and like a car if we try to brake to hard we skid out of control. so he may have been making a reasonable request, or then again he may have been an absolute gobsh*te who didn't give a ****.

Pride Fighter

The guy should have got the book thrown at him, literally. I was one run over by a bike, I was a waiting for my ma on a footpath and next thing a mountain bike plough's into me. I only got some cuts and bruises and I cried ( I was 6 at the time)

Marathon Man

Pride Fighter wrote: »

The guy should have got the book thrown at him, literally. I was one run over by a bike, I was a waiting for my ma on a footpath and next thing a mountain bike plough's into me. I only got some cuts and bruises and I cried ( I was 6 at the time)

I said sorry didn't I? Jaysus some people.

Jigsaw

She was warned but didn't heed the warning. Life's tough.

Harpy

i had a dennis the menace bike once...i crashed into a wall and buclked it.. i shouted at the wall but the wall didn't move :mad: ...i miss my bike..

truecrippler

Harpy wrote: »

i had a dennis the menace bike once...i crashed into a wall and buclked it.. i shouted at the wall but the wall didn't move :mad: ...i miss my bike..

No consideration for walls eh? I'd hate to see you cycling towards somebody.

Harpy

truecrippler wrote: »

No consideration for walls eh? I'd hate to see you cycling towards somebody.

It's ok my cycling days are over..

skywalker

"move because I'm not stopping" Says it all really. Whoever said manslaughter is right, its pretty much the definition of it, isnt it.

mike65

Someone was killed by a cycle courier on in Dublin centre a couple of years ago, it was a one way street I think and of course Mr Outtamyway was going the wrong way and struck an elderly chap.

Mike.

Sherifu

"move because I'm not stopping"

What an asshole.

BKtje

Think you can be charged with drink driving on a bike?

Seen a drunk cyclist pulled over before and then thrown in the back of the garda car after being allowed to lock up his bike.

Don't know if he was pulled over for some other reason but this guy was all over the shop. That said he was probably be done for endangerment or something rather than drink cycling.