Kerry in no win situation!

Tomthepost

So Cork are Munster Champs. It just got me thinking Kerry are in a no win situation every year. If they win Munster you get people saying that sure they don't have to beat anyone to get out of Munster and can concentrate on peaking in August and Sept.
If they win the All-Ireland now the same people will say sure they were beaten by Cork and thus should have been out.
Its a hard life being from Kerry:(

will1977

Ahh, God luv ya. It must be terrible to have to defend yourselves every September when you get to the All Ireland final :D

An Citeog

Aw, just for you Tom!


I'm sure it'll really matter what anyone says if you win 3 in a row.

aidan24326

Tomthepost wrote: »

Its a hard life being from Kerry:(

My heart bleeds for you Tom.

Hopefully Kerry will get a tough draw in the qualifiers.

blackbelt

Well the thing this Tom,nobody ever really said Cork were an easy side to beat but the amount of teams that are hard to beat are limited to just 2 and maybe even 3 sometimes when Limerick play well.Waterford,Tipp,Clare and even Limerick are ranked nearly impossible to win Munster outside of Kerry and Cork.Unfortunately,bar the annual Kerry-Cork fixture,both teams are guaranteed a last 12/8 place.

No,some people will say they should be out but I think the qualifiers are a great idea and concept.From a Kerry perspective they would be looking to do the double this year and not the treble had it not been for the qualifiers.

I don't believe Kerry are in a no win situation.They've won the All Ireland because they were the best team in the country that year.

Cork were the better team yesterday and should have been in touch of Kerry at half time had they not wasted so much posession.I would not have allowed the Kerry goal by the way.I thought it was very obvious that Donaghy threw the ball.

No Kerry are not in a no win situation in relation to the OP but if I were from Kerry I'd be very upset with the Marc O Se decision.

Dapos

Pat O Shea really to get it in there head not to sit back whne they have such a lead. The same thing happened with Derry. No taking away from cork, it pains me to say it but they showed great spirit (and skill) to come back from such an awful second half. Cork beating kerry was the real beginning of there 2 in a row and hopefully it will act as a similar catalysit this time.


It's not over yet!

Pride Fighter

Hopefully Kerry get either Tyrone, Westmeath and the Connacht final losers in the qualifiers. It'll show us how serious they are this year.

blackbelt

Pat O Shea was seen walking around Killarney with two greyhounds today.

He was trying to learn how to hold on to a lead.

Dapos

:mad:;)

patmac

Tomthepost wrote: »

So Cork are Munster Champs. It just got me thinking Kerry are in a no win situation every year. If they win Munster you get people saying that sure they don't have to beat anyone to get out of Munster and can concentrate on peaking in August and Sept.
If they win the All-Ireland now the same people will say sure they were beaten by Cork and thus should have been out.
Its a hard life being from Kerry:(

It's hard to type with the defining sound of violins in the background, sympathy is the last thing your gonna get here Tom, would love to have had the easy stroll that Kerry had to a Provincial Final, try having to peak for May like they have to do in Leinster and Ulster. I often wonder how many more Provincial Championships Westmeath would have had if they were in Connacht or how fewer All-Irelands Kerry would have had if they were in Leinster or Ulster,would love to face that no win situation your complaining about.

Tomthepost

blackbelt wrote: »

Pat O Shea was seen walking around Killarney with two greyhounds today.

He was trying to learn how to hold on to a lead.

Good one:D

Tomthepost

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Hopefully Kerry get either Tyrone, Westmeath and the Connacht final losers in the qualifiers. It'll show us how serious they are this year.

Hopefully Tyrone. The other two (Westmeath and Galway) are rubbish anyway in my opinion.
Good hard run would be great Tyrone, Armagh, Fermanagh and Wexford

ssmith6287

I think it could possibly have been a masterplan. Remember 2 seasons ago we were playing badly in the provincials, similar situation, lost to cork in the final. then in the backdoor we regained our fluidity beeting the likes of armagh (literally beeting:D) Maybe with Mark OSe to get a suspension and already missing Galvin, he tought maybe we can do the same and have near full strength in the final:rolleyes: Does anyone think Cork will win without that goonie in the midfield, I dont!!

Beached

ya, the general mood in Kerry seems to be hopefully we get Tyrone.
Players will focus for that and win or lose at least we will have a good idea where we stand then

lukin

Beached wrote: »

ya, the general mood in Kerry seems to be hopefully we get Tyrone.
Players will focus for that and win or lose at least we will have a good idea where we stand then

I wouldn't say many people in Kerry would agree with you there. When Laois beat Tyrone in 2006 I watched it with a Kerry supporter and you'd think Kerry had just won the AI there and then (which of course they had).

Tomthepost

lukin wrote: »

I wouldn't say many people in Kerry would agree with you there. When Laois beat Tyrone in 2006 I watched it with a Kerry supporter and you'd think Kerry had just won the AI there and then (which of course they had).

I disagree. I am sick to death of this whole 'soft All-Ireland' crap. I would prefer if Kerry get knocked out in the next round against a good team then listen to that rubbish again this year.
As I said previously a good hard won All-Ireland this year would pit us against Tyrone, followed by Armagh, Fermanagh and Wexford.

Zzippy

Tomthepost wrote: »

I disagree. I am sick to death of this whole 'soft All-Ireland' crap. I would prefer if Kerry get knocked out in the next round against a good team then listen to that rubbish again this year.
As I said previously a good hard won All-Ireland this year would pit us against Tyrone, followed by Armagh, Fermanagh and Wexford.

Ah, quit yer whinin'! Ye lose one match and its "we can't win either way"... :P

Soft AI is BS, maybe a soft Munster title some years, but no team wins a soft AI, they have to beat a good team/s in either the quarter, semi or final, even if they've had an easy run up to then. The fact that Kerry have had generally easy runs to the latter stages makes them better AI champions to me - other teams have had tough matches to harden them up and find their best form, but Kerry still manage to play the best football and beat them without that advantage. The fact that some team had to play 7 matches to get to the final and win it doesn't make them a better team than a team that wins 4/5 games to win it

kerry4sam

Tomthepost wrote: »

So Cork are Munster Champs. It just got me thinking Kerry are in a no win situation every year. If they win Munster you get people saying that sure they don't have to beat anyone to get out of Munster and can concentrate on peaking in August and Sept.
If they win the All-Ireland now the same people will say sure they were beaten by Cork and thus should have been out.
Its a hard life being from Kerry:(

I don't know about that Tomthepost ... I totally agree about the Munster aspect
but as for the All-Ireland; i don't see how people would say that teams who don't win their provincial title should not be in the contest for the Holy Grail as that would essentially only leave 4teams supposedly entitled to be there.

The only people who would view it that way are those with a gripe against The Kingdom (and their are quite a few out there) but i don't think that "kerry are in a no-win situation"

kerry4sam

Zzippy wrote: »

... The fact that some team had to play 7 matches to get to the final and win it doesn't make them a better team than a team that wins 4/5 games to win it

+1 totally agree with you here. It has nothing to do with the quantity of matches played but the quality; luck and skill involved in the number played (however few)

Sherifu

Tomthepost wrote: »

So Cork are Munster Champs. It just got me thinking Kerry are in a no win situation every year. If they win Munster you get people saying that sure they don't have to beat anyone to get out of Munster and can concentrate on peaking in August and Sept.
If they win the All-Ireland now the same people will say sure they were beaten by Cork and thus should have been out.
Its a hard life being from Kerry:(

Tiriel

blackbelt wrote: »

Pat O Shea was seen walking around Killarney with two greyhounds today.

He was trying to learn how to hold on to a lead.

Gem!

bill_ashmount

patmac wrote: »

try having to peak for May like they have to do in Leinster and Ulster. I often wonder how many more Provincial Championships Westmeath would have had if they were in Connacht or how fewer All-Irelands Kerry would have had if they were in Leinster or Ulster,would love to face that no win situation your complaining about.

There is only one competitive province in football and that is Ulster. Leinster football is a joke.

kerry4sam

Sherifu wrote: »

they are unfortunately a dim a dozen down here these days

quad_red

kerry4sam wrote: »

they are unfortunately a dim a dozen down here these days

DIME a dozen man, DIME

Kerry's success irritates some people. That's just the way it is.

They'll paint every victory a fluke/a result of cheating/a result of cynical unsporting play/ a result of other team's weakened by overly competitive provincial setups/a result of other team's weakened by under competitive provincial setups/ an unfair case of a small county of culchie's being able to put one over their sophisticated rivals without any recourse to the way 'things should be'

But that's not a lose-lose situation and nor is it unique. Kerry's continued success is bound to irritate people. Indeed, having such an emotional involvement with the game is part of the excitement.

There are no easy jaunts to winning an All Ireland. And anyone who says so isn't worth listening to.

So, to answer your question, no - it's not a lose lose situation

kerry4sam

quad_red wrote: »

DIME a dozen man, DIME ...

don't assume gender mate, don't assume gender

quad_red

kerry4sam wrote: »

don't assume gender mate, don't assume gender

Touché mademoiselle!

Your oh so feminine avator should have alerted me. It is I, in fact, who is the dim one.

blackbelt

Cork_girl wrote: »

Gem!

You could say that Pat O Shea is going for a "MASTERS" in lead holding.:D

Tomthepost

blackbelt wrote: »

You could say that Pat O Shea is going for a "MASTERS" in lead holding.:D[/QUOTE

You should have quit while you were ahead. The above is awful!!!

blackbelt

Tomthepost wrote: »

blackbelt wrote: »

You could say that Pat O Shea is going for a "MASTERS" in lead holding.:D[/QUOTE

You should have quit while you were ahead. The above is awful!!!

Is it as awful as the "Galvanise" pun?