Indicating Traffic Queues

AugustusMaximus

Is throwing on the hazzard lights the accepted way to indicate to the car behind that you are approaching the back end of a traffic queue which may require the car behind to fully stop ?

I do it all the time and I'm just wondering if this is good driving practice. Seen some very near misses of cars ploughing into the back of others on the SSR in Cork at rush time in queues for the tunnel.

(PS: Sorry about the spelling mistake in the header)

peasant

Personally, I couldn't care less if it is accepted or not ...if I have to bring my car to a sudden stop or have to perform a very hefty braking maneuvre and I know that there is fast traffic following from behind, I'd like my car to be as visible as possible. If there's time to do so, I'll always stick the hazards on.

(EDIT PS: what spelling mistake : ...fixed)

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pred racer

buy a citroen! my car does it automatically(if you really slam on). but in general it winds me up..... thats why you have 2/3 big bright red lights on the back of your car, so people behind know you are braking.

deRanged

you're not just slowing down though, you're stopping, effectively.
It's very common on the south ring in Cork, with traffic slowing from 100+ to 0.
I always throw the hazards on while I'm at the back of the queue. it's a little thing but it makes sense.

Stark

Yeah I've heard this is good practice if you have to come to a sudden stop on a motorway/dual carriageway.

cyclopath2001

I'd be wary of putting on the hazards. People might think you've broken down or just pulled in for a packet of fags and try and overtake you.

If I'm last in a traffic queue, I keep my foot on the brake pedal (to keep the brake lights lit...) until another car has stopped behind me.

Mena

To be fair, if you've enough time to stick out your hand and activate the emergency lights while braking, you're not braking very hard, and nobody should hit you from behind.

Pity life's not like that eh?

peasant

What idiot would "pull in for a packet of fags" in the middle of the driving lane of a 100 km/h or higher road?

chickenhawk

Yep I always do it as well if i'm coming up to a place I have to stop from a place i'm doing 100kms. Better to be safe then sorry (with a car up your backside).

Tabnabs

It's a regular occurrence on the M50, 120kph to zero takes a fair bit of distance and both lanes are fully stopped so there's no room to run on. If you're sitting at the back of the queue and see a car/van/truck hurtling up in the distance behind, it's difficult not to reach for the switch!

peasant

This is why it is a good idea to be as visible as possible, doesn't always help though:

(turn off the sound ..it's German )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqifimcZq90

cyclopath2001

peasant wrote: »

What idiot would "pull in for a packet of fags" in the middle of the driving lane of a 100 km/h or higher road?

This is Ireland....

L1011

I would do it (and did today) if the sudden stop is entirely unexpected - such as coming across a LandCruiser stranded just after a corner on an L-road like today...

In queuing traffic, I do what cyclopath2001 does (argh, I'm agreeing with him - nurse! more medication!). I've been hit from behind recently enough and all so getting more conscious of it.

Carawaystick

I was in a hired Golf a few years ago, it turns the hazards on automatically after a hard braking. maybe it's a german thing (citroen being german now according to the ad...)
So I'd say yes and keep the brakelights lit;
and the wheels straight so if you are shunted you don't go across the path into oncoming traffic.

Victor

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

If I'm last in a traffic queue, I keep my foot on the brake pedal (to keep the brake lights lit...) until another car has stopped behind me.

In a queue, shouldn't you have the brake on until you are reasy to pull off? Otherwise if someone hits you from behind, you have an unrestricted domino effect.

eringobragh

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

I'd be wary of putting on the hazards. People might think you've broken down or just pulled in for a packet of fags and try and overtake you.

If I'm last in a traffic queue, I keep my foot on the brake pedal (to keep the brake lights lit...) until another car has stopped behind me.

^ Pull in for a packet of fags... for the love of god , Stick to your bicycle.:rolleyes: . Its a Hazard hence the name 'Hazard lights' a driver will react quicker when they see this.

I do it as well. Avoided a rear collison from someone (Confirmed by screeching brakes!)...

cyclopath2001

eringobragh wrote: »

Its a Hazard hence the name 'Hazard lights' a driver will react quicker when they see this.

You mean like when you overtake someone and then stick on your hazards?

eringobragh

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

You mean like when you overtake someone and then stick on your hazards?

:rolleyes: Just manners in that instance that or maybe they decided to pullout the box of fags when they overtook you :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Steve

If I've time and know there's a car closing behind, I'll do it.

It's common sense really, if it lessens your chance of being rear-ended then do it.

fricatus

As eringobragh said, they're hazard lights, so you put them on to warn following drivers of a hazard, whether that's you changing a wheel on the hard shoulder or a stationary queue on the main carriageway.

I drive Waterford-KK and back at rush hour every day, very busy, twisty, narrow road with loads of private entrances. Things regularly come to a halt and the hazards are a must.

cyclopath2001

This from the UK:

4. In accordance with Regulation 47(3) of the Road Traffic (Traffic
Control) Regulations (Cap. 374 sub. leg.), no person shall show a hazard
warning light on a vehicle on a road unless such vehicle is stationary and
likely to be a hazard to other persons using the road.
- 2 -
5. However, it is a common practice nowadays for drivers to switch
on the hazard warning lights while their vehicles are in motion, e.g. parking or
making sudden deceleration because of congestion ahead. While the use of
hazard warning lights under such circumstances should be encouraged as a
safety practice, this practice in fact contravenes Regulation 47(3), and could be
prosecuted by the Police.

The document notes that Singapore and Australia are not as prescriptve as the UK. I guess the situation is the same here in Ireland. My own preference is to rely on my brake lights & keep the hazards for exceptional situations. Generally, I'll tap the brake lights on a bit while slowing down, giving longer and longer taps gradually depending on circumstances.

eringobragh

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

This from the UK:


The document notes that Singapore and Australia are not as prescriptve as the UK. I guess the situation is the same here in Ireland. My own preference is to rely on my brake lights & keep the hazards for exceptional situations. Generally, I'll tap the brake lights on a bit while slowing down, giving longer and longer taps gradually depending on circumstances.

lol were not in the UK for a start :pac:

Extract from the book 'Road Craft' The Police Drivers handbook

aka (How to be a good driver!!)

Using Hazard Lights

Consider using hazard lights to alert
other drivers to your presence when you have stopped.
Don't use hazard lights when moving on unrestricted multi-lane carraigeways an
d motorways. Here you can use hazard lights to briefly warn the vehicles
behind you that there is a hold-up ahead.

Cyclopath - All your obssessing with speeding and you fail to recognise the simplest of safety precautions. ..:eek: The mind boggles

L1011

Victor wrote: »

In a queue, shouldn't you have the brake on until you are reasy to pull off? Otherwise if someone hits you from behind, you have an unrestricted domino effect.

Handbrake - if you've got the footbrakes on you'll be blinding drivers behind you during lighting up times. Handbrake doesn't put the lights on on my car at least...

However at the back of the queue, you don't have a driver behind you (yet).

cyclopath2001

eringobragh wrote: »

Consider using hazard lights to alert....
Cyclopath - All your obssessing with speeding and you fail to recognise the simplest of safety precautions. ..:eek: The mind boggles

I have not mentioned speeding in this thread and I would always consider when it is appropriate to use hazards. OK?

Enjoy 'Top Gear'.

Stark

eringobragh wrote: »

lol were not in the UK for a start :pac:

Extract from the book 'Road Craft' The Police Drivers handbook

aka (How to be a good driver!!)

Isn't that a book for UK drivers?

eringobragh

Stark wrote: »

Isn't that a book for UK drivers?

UK Police drivers.

Alot of the IAM course is based on it AFAIK

It features alot of GOOD driving practices like the one mentioned on this thread

eringobragh

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

I have not mentioned speeding in this thread and I would always consider when it is appropriate to use hazards. OK?

lol refering to most of your other replies.

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

I

Enjoy 'Top Gear'.

I will is it a 32 speed or whats top gear or you bike

cyclopath2001

What does it say on use of brake lights?

_Kaiser_

As is too often the case here lately, a simple question on what is a fairly common sense thing descends into a petty bitching session between one holier-than-thou poster and the rest of us :rolleyes:

Me, I always use the hazards in a situation like the OP describes, eg: the end of the Blanchardstown bypass is almost always backed up after 5pm and damn right I'll use the hazards to indicate this when there's cars behind me doing 100+. Brake lights are nowhere near as good - especially when there's muppets out there with rear fog lights on in clear weather.

But just for fun:

cyclopath2001 wrote:

My own preference is to rely on my brake lights & keep the hazards for exceptional situations

Er.. what exactly do you consider to be an "exceptional situation" if not one where traffic flowing at 100 km/h suddenly (in the space of a few hundred yards) drops to a standstill??

Sometimes I think (based on other posts of yours) you come up with stuff like this just to troll.

eringobragh

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

What does it say on use of brake lights?

'RoadCraft' - extract

Using brakelights

Brakelights are used to indicate either slowing down or your intention to stop. Always check your mirrors before using your brakes unless you are doing an emergency stop

Start braking well in advance of an anticipated hazard to alert the driver behind that you mean to slow down or stop, especially if the vehicle behind is too close.

Avoid 'dabbing' the brakes: if the brakelights flash
on and off but you don't slow down, you will confuse drivers behind you.

Remember that rear foglights are brighter than brakelights and may mask them when you are slowing down.

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

Generally, I'll tap the brake lights on a bit while slowing down, giving longer and longer taps gradually depending on circumstances.

You appear to lack the prerequisites for being an 'advanced driver'

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Sometimes I think (based on other posts of yours) you come up with stuff like this just to troll.

X2 ...I can only hope that's true, otherwise some of us may have to encounter cyclopath doing Michael Flatley on his brake pedal.

D_murph

SteveC wrote: »

If I've time and know there's a car closing behind, I'll do it.

It's common sense really, if it lessens your chance of being rear-ended then do it.

big X2^

in the last year or so i have nearly been rear ended twice. in one of these cases it was the guys wife that alerted him that he was about to have a crash and he only barely stopped in time too. idiot was looking out his side window instead of watching where he was going :rolleyes:.

and again a few weeks ago i had to brake suddenly for another reason (cant remember) and this young L driver in a yellow (ugh) Punto nearly hit me in a similar fashion :mad:.

i hadnt the hazards on either time but considering the plonkers were looking the wrong way i doubt they'd have noticed.

i will do this in future though as it is a hazard youre indicating and if it increases the chance of avoiding an accident.

i cant imagine any garda would pull you over for doing something that helps road safety either. that would make no sense :rolleyes:.

as far as tapping the brake pedal goes, the hazards flash by themselves so why not use them for their intended purpose ?

L1011

cyclopath2001 wrote: »

Generally, I'll tap the brake lights on a bit while slowing down, giving longer and longer taps gradually depending on circumstances.

'tapping' the brake lights can and does get people done for dangerous/inconsiderate driving here. Brake lights should only be illuminated when your footbrake is actually on, e.g. slowing or stopped with it on. Otherwise it can cause serious incidents due to people slamming on assuming they're going to hit you (yes, I know they're in the wrong here, but...).

For someone so obsessed with road safety I thought you'd have know the dangers, both legal and physical, of doing this?

D_murph

MYOB wrote: »

'tapping' the brake lights can and does get people done for dangerous/inconsiderate driving here. Brake lights should only be illuminated when your footbrake is actually on, e.g. slowing or stopped with it on. Otherwise it can cause serious incidents due to people slamming on assuming they're going to hit you (yes, I know they're in the wrong here, but...).

For someone so obsessed with road safety I thought you'd have know the dangers, both legal and physical, of doing this?

indeed :rolleyes:

i think the saying "caught with pants down" comes to mind

peasant

This isn't after hours ...

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