Undiscovered DRUGS

yummycake

On reading the charter I got this amazing idea to start a thread dedicated not to illegal or legal drugs, but only the undiscovered ones.

Who likes undiscovered drugs?

Once they're discoverED I'm sure they we be just great, just great.

Xavi6

Ehhhhhhhh................been drinking?

portomar

Xavi6 wrote: »

Ehhhhhhhh................been drinking?

dont think alcohol counts xavi!

does opium count, as its not in this country?

yummycake

Xavi6 wrote: »

Ehhhhhhhh................been drinking?

No thank god :P :eek:

yummycake

portomar wrote: »

dont think alcohol counts xavi!

does opium count, as its not in this country?

No


although i see what your getting at. It has reached us but there's like so little people that are enjoying it thatthe love it and want to keep it a secret. Just like that film with leonardo de caprio "the beach"

reregholdsworth

isoquinilines?

mk801 and analogues?

yummycake

reregholdsworth wrote: »

isoquinilines?

mk801 and analogues?

I'm intrested. What do they do for you and how much? Wait since this has been discovered now we can talk about it anymore

o1s1n

yummycake wrote: »

No


although i see what your getting at. It has reached us but there's like so little people that are enjoying it thatthe love it and want to keep it a secret. Just like that film with leonardo de caprio "the beach"

People love that film and want to keep it a secret? I thought it was pretty sh1te myself.

yummycake

o1s1n wrote: »

People love that film and want to keep it a secret?

haha brilliant....damn you

but ya know what i mean boys

reregholdsworth

yummycake wrote: »

I'm intrested. What do they do for you and how much? Wait since this has been discovered now we can talk about it anymore

Mk-801 has been discovered, however it has not been tested on human subjects extensively enough to be able to have a discussion about it.
It is not illegal and so can be spoken about here. (as far as I understand the charter)

the isoquinilines are a family of chemicals which are not very well understood as yet. Although there is some work being done on their psychoactive effects. Similary, these are not illegal and so can be discussed.

yummycake

hah! sign me up as a test subject

MagicMarker

Isn't there a perfume called Opium?

My ma loves it!! Got it for her for xmas, or at least i hope it was perfume.

reregholdsworth

yummycake wrote: »

hah! sign me up as a test subject

make your own

Xavi6

MagicMarker wrote: »

My ma loves it!!

That's not all she loves :cool:

reregholdsworth

Xavi6 wrote: »

Allegedly that's not all she loves :cool:

fixed, in case of legal repurcussions

KnifeWRENCH

Undiscovered drugs....hmm....nope haven't come across any lately. I'm sure they exist though - we'll send Amy Winehouse into the jungles of Colombia to sniff them out.

Xavi6 wrote: »

That's not all she loves :cool:

haha yeah - she also loves pomegranates!!!!

Wait...that wasn't very good.....

Xavi6

reregholdsworth wrote: »

fixed, in case of legal repurcussions

No 'allegedly' needed, I know for a fact :pac:

MagicMarker

i had my suspicions...

psilocybe

the isoquinilines are a family of chemicals which are not very well understood as yet. Although there is some work being done on their psychoactive effects. Similary, these are not illegal and so can be discussed.

An acquaintance of mine recently asked Sasha Shulgin if he had yet discovered a worthwhile isoquiniline. His answer was a firm "no".

And yes, there are surely thousands of undiscovered drugs. Many of them would be covered by our "catch all" clause which makes the majority of tryptamines, phenethylamines and fentanyl deriviatives illegal by default.

reregholdsworth

Could you elaborate?

When was this? As far as I knew, Shulgin was of the opinion that the isoquinilines held the most promise for the development of new psychoactives.

psilocybe

This was at a fundraiser in San Francisco 3 weeks ago. Note that he said he had not yet discovered anything he considered worthwhile.

Sherifu

yummycake wrote: »

Who likes undiscovered drugs?

Could you describe what they're like?

Terrontress

What about some Clarky Cat or Yellow Bentines?

Dragan

reregholdsworth wrote: »

Could you elaborate?

When was this? As far as I knew, Shulgin was of the opinion that the isoquinilines held the most promise for the development of new psychoactives.

Research chemicals ftw.

Terrontress wrote: »

What about some Clarky Cat or Yellow Bentines?

Was it not Clarky Caps? Either Brass Eye was awesome.

pickarooney

square_igloo wrote: »

Undiscovered drugs....hmm....nope haven't come across any lately. I'm sure they exist though - we'll send Amy Winehouse into the jungles of Colombia to sniff them out.

Ah, have pity on the FARC, they just got rid of one skinny, delusional brunette, no need to inflict another on them.

JJ6000

What about this new drug called "cake".

Supposed to be very dangerous....apparently some girl took it and threw up her own hip bone.

Another guy took some and got so much water retention in his neck that it swelled up and engulfed his head.

f*ucking disgraceful....

danniemcq

JJ6000 wrote: »

What about this new drug called "cake".

Supposed to be very dangerous....apparently some girl took it and threw up her own hip bone.

Another guy took some and got so much water retention in his neck that it swelled up and engulfed his head.

f*ucking disgraceful....

it slows time down so a beep noise to us is a 3 hour dance/trance session!

yay for brasseye!

nyarlothothep

If you eat fifty bananas apparently you start tripping due to some hallucinogenic chemical in them.

Are there any psychedelic cocktails you can make using home materials?

psilocybe

If you eat fifty bananas apparently you start tripping due to some hallucinogenic chemical in them.

No you won't. You may start vomiting though...

reregholdsworth

psilocybe wrote: »

This was at a fundraiser in San Francisco 3 weeks ago. Note that he said he had not yet discovered anything he considered worthwhile.

i've not read his work on isoquinilines. I have however read pikhal and tikhal. I have also met research chemists and seen the labs in which they have carried out experiments from these two collections.

It's a pity that people generally can't talk about his work in a positive manner.

In my own experience I have enjoyed very much some of the compounds he has created. I would not rate them as recreative for the general population. I am uncertain if that is because I believe them unsuitable for the general population per se or not.

I have been thinking a bit about the benefits which I have gained from experiencing the effects of psychoactive compounds. I think that it is a pity that popular aversion has prevented serious discussion of their worth and their effect on the individual. I am also of the opinion that this popular opinion is a close cause of many people directly negative experience of such substances.

It may well be true that certain substances have not been satisfactorily tested on human subjects. However this is not true of other powerful and potentially very useful materials.

two cents rubbed together to make for currency trading

JJ6000

nyarlothothep wrote: »

If you eat fifty bananas apparently you start tripping due to some hallucinogenic chemical in them.

Are there any psychedelic cocktails you can make using home materials?

nutmeg....although it could be quite easy to poison yourself if you are not careful so not reccomended.

nyarlothothep

JJ6000 wrote: »

nutmeg....although it could be quite easy to poison yourself if you are not careful so not reccomended.

I tried that 5 years ago, oh the memories...combined it with alcohol, nothing happened though

chem

Greeting all;)

A new drug that is now termed a "research chemical" is bromo-dragonfly. Full name (1-(8-Bromobenzo[1,2-b;4,5-b]difuran-4-yl)-2-aminopropane. It is alot like LSD in effect and has been sold as such. Problem is it lasts 2-3 days:eek: for a large dose. It is legal in most countries apart from Norway and Sweeden.

How can anyone have a topic as Undiscovered drugs? If they are unknown how can anyone talk about them:P

amazingemmet

reregholdsworth wrote: »

i've not read his work on isoquinilines. I have however read pikhal and tikhal. I have also met research chemists and seen the labs in which they have carried out experiments from these two collections.

It's a pity that people generally can't talk about his work in a positive manner.

In my own experience I have enjoyed very much some of the compounds he has created. I would not rate them as recreative for the general population. I am uncertain if that is because I believe them unsuitable for the general population per se or not.

It may well be true that certain substances have not been satisfactorily tested on human subjects. However this is not true of other powerful and potentially very useful materials.

two cents rubbed together to make for currency trading

There's a chapter in the end of tihkal that outlines some routes for study on them. Afaik he's hasn't done any in depth studying of isoquinolines.

Great attitude btw, basically your saying these compounds are only for the right kind of people. Similar attitude huxley et al had for lsd when it first came out that the "unenlightened" and "plebs" shouldn't be allowed have them:rolleyes:

Fringe

JJ6000 wrote: »

What about this new drug called "cake".

Supposed to be very dangerous....apparently some girl took it and threw up her own hip bone.

Another guy took some and got so much water retention in his neck that it swelled up and engulfed his head.

f*ucking disgraceful....

Good thing it's a made up drugs. That means it's made in labs.

chem

amazingemmet wrote: »

Great attitude btw, basically your saying these compounds are only for the right kind of people. Similar attitude huxley et al had for lsd when it first came out that the "unenlightened" and "plebs" shouldn't be allowed have them:rolleyes:

Id have to say that the cause of most BAD reactions to drugs are caused by wrong place wrong time. If people know what the affects are or where is best suited to take them alot of the BAD stories would never happen. Its when the effects are unexpected or too strong that the problems arise.

Kold

Erm. I'd say that if I was to choose between some dirty pills cut with speed or some 'undiscovered' drug where I don't know (at all) what the f*ck I'm putting in my body, I'll go for the sh*t pills.

psilocybe

A new drug that is now termed a "research chemical" is bromo-dragonfly. Full name (1-(8-Bromobenzo[1,2-b;4,5-b]difuran-4-yl)-2-aminopropane. It is alot like LSD in effect and has been sold as such. Problem is it lasts 2-3 days for a large dose. It is legal in most countries apart from Norway and Sweeden.

This particular compound is really only available to those in the know and has been linked to at least one death. It really is at the cutting edge of experimental drugs and could possibly be a mutagen. Fully aromatic benzodifurans are very experimental and not something to be taken likely. Taking compounds such as these literally makes you a human guinea pig.
Extreme caution is advised...

Have you heard aout this drug called Reefer.It is supposed to be way wacky!

Piste

Hmm I dunno bout these drugs...don't want to end up with a severe case of Czech Neck...

Tha Gopher

Dragan wrote: »

Was it not Clarky Caps? .

No Cat, Clarkey CAT!

I want something to make me go all blutey, but I dont want my arm feeling like Ive spent 3 weeks in a hot air balloon on a quack candle.

*rolls some triple sod*

gandhi123

what bout "saliva"?? as far as i kno it's legal legal in ireland..
it looks quiet the drug, kicks in straight after a hit

. search "saliva trip" on youtube.. funny as hell:D

raah!

It's hardly undiscovered though, and it only lasts like max 20 minutes. My bet is it will be illegal as soon as they can do further research on it.

reregholdsworth

amazingemmet wrote: »

There's a chapter in the end of tihkal that outlines some routes for study on them. Afaik he's hasn't done any in depth studying of isoquinolines.

Great attitude btw, basically your saying these compounds are only for the right kind of people. Similar attitude huxley et al had for lsd when it first came out that the "unenlightened" and "plebs" shouldn't be allowed have them:rolleyes:

I am not saying that the 'unenlightened' and 'plebs' should not be allowed have access to these substances. I am saying that the manner in which these substances are taken and discussed often has negative effects.
Your use of the phrase 'the right kind of people' is not indicative of the kind of thinking I would subscribe to.

On a lighter note, I had heard that Shulgin is now focused on research into the psychoactive effects of the isoquinilines. What that means for you and I, I have no clue. I've never had the good fortune to come across any.

<snigger, he said 'come across'>...

I did meet a man with a lab in a remote location. He had synthesised some of Shulgin's substances. Those were interesting times.

Prof.Badass

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TF9-4CVX2RX-1&_user=103681&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000007920&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=103681&md5=4fa1a3fc576e8474090b2893f14dc6cb

Scroll down to the chemical called 39.

It's never been used on humans before. (don't think it's been used on animals either)

It's one of a new class of drugs that will be making their way onto the streets and into your chemist in about 10 years time.They're called OXYTOCIN agonists Theorethically they'll give you the loved up effects of MDMA without any of the other effects (good for combo's)

Anyone wanna try it? c'mon worst case scenario you'll die or get serious brain damage and everyone will call you a fool for trying a completely unknown drug that hasn't been studied properly.

Or, you could be hailed as a hero!