klitshcko v thomson

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Saturday 12th July Wladimir Klitschko v Tony Thompson
IBO IBF WBO Heavyweight Title

klitscko http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=007035&cat=boxer
thomson http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=21633&cat=boxer

whos going to win this fight, i think thomson may spring a surprise

dlofnep

Klitschko will mangle him within 5 or 6 rounds.

Big Ears

The only surprise Thompson can spring is lasting more than 6 rounds , Klitschko ko within 4 .

Honestly Thompson is bloody useless .

eagle eye

Heavyweight boxing is so poor these days. This will definitely be a one sided affair. 4 rounds max I would say.

ODD-JOB

Is it really that lob-sided ?
I dont know Tompson , his record looks ok ..... why is he so poorly thought of ?

Big Ears

ODD-JOB wrote: »

Is it really that lob-sided ?
I dont know Tompson , his record looks ok ..... why is he so poorly thought of ?

Yes , yes he is .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf1mx4SOdOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G61TW1Og4Gs

He's very open to right hands, he was ko'ed by Mo Harris(you won't see it on his record as it was in a 'prizefighter' type tounament which wasn't 'official') .

His win over Krasniqi is the least inspiring 'eliminator' win I've ever seen . Krasniqi, who is actually a much better fighter than Thompson when he wants to be basically quit by just not fighting at all and just let Thompson hit him . I don't know why Krasniqi entered the ring that night .

His other big wins are over Dominick Guinn, the second laziest heavyweight in the World after Audley Harrison . Guinn's actually not a bad heavyweight when he wants to be, he just doesn't want to be .

Timor Ibragimov, who made his name off pretending to be Sultan's cousin and isn't up to much .

Finally a past his prime Vaughn Bean makes up Thompson's big wins , Bean wasn't that bad a fighter in his prime but is known for putting up decent challenges to Moorer and Holyfield rather than actually ever beating anybody .

It's not so much the opponents though rather than the manner of victory . Thompson has very little power, he often pitter pats with as quick punches as possible giving the impression of some hand speed, but don't be fooled anytime he tries to put a bit of zip in a **** it is very slow .

He stands very upright, has slow footwork and often relies on fighting smaller ,men where he can stand in range for him but out of range of his opponent . That won't be possible for him against Klitschko .

Basically, Southpaw with very low lead right hand, not quick enough to get out of range and not slick enough to slip the right hand= Wlad's gonna blitz him with a big right .

Seriously this is Wlad's easiest fight in 4 1/2 years bar maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO_sWnawpU4

I'll still give Wlad credit though if he does what a dominant heavyweight champion should do to Thompson .

T-K-O

The Klit has the tools to destroy Thompson, but Wlad seems to be afraid of his own shadow. Nightmare to watch.

Hero Of College

ODD-JOB wrote: »

Is it really that lob-sided ?
I dont know Tompson , his record looks ok ..... why is he so poorly thought of ?

BECAUSE

1. A White Man Is Champ, Therefore The Division Is Obviously "In Difficulty" The only way Klitschko can beat black, American opposition is if they are seriously poor.

And

2. The White Champ Is Not American {See Kelly Pavlik}

Heavyweight division doesn't need saving. It just needs leaving alone. I guess too many people pine for the good old days of chinny ass Earnie Shavers vs cut prone punch drunk Gerry Quarry- ahhhh, them weres the days.:rolleyes:

Personally, I think Thompson lacks the explosiveness and power to beat Wlad, and Klitschko should take him in around 5.

Hero Of College

T-K-O wrote: »

The Klit has the tools to destroy Thompson, but Wlad seems to be afraid of his own shadow. Nightmare to watch.

What???

Maybe when guys like Ibragimov STOP being scared of Wlads shadow and FIGHT then we will see them get KTFO.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

What???

Maybe when guys like Ibragimov STOP being scared of Wlads shadow and FIGHT then we will see them get KTFO.

Both men settled for the result in that fight, Wlad didn't want to risk getting ko'ed while going for the ko and Sultan was happy with a points defeat . Bit sad really as Sultan actually had the hand speed and power to cause a few problems had he been aggresive enough . After Peter he's been Wlad's most dangerous fight since the Brewster defeat .

For Wlad he finally had a proper big Worldwide audience, he had even been on Letterman to help promote the fight . Then he went and bored the World to tears and a large amount of the 'casual' fans watching will be sticking to watching MMA in the future because that just wasn't entertaining(although at least Duddy was) .

To your post above that, Chris Arreola is considered a good prospect . How can you say the division isn't in trouble when a guy like that is considered a good prospect ?

In the 90's we had Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, Golota, Morrison, Moorer, Foreman, Mercer, Botha, Bruno, Tua, McCall, Mavrovich, Briggs, Akinwade, Holmes, Douglas, Ruddock, Tucker, Hide, Vitali and Donald.

Now some of those guys are still around today and a few were better fighters in the 80's but when you consider most of the mediocre 80's heavyweights(which I haven't named) were still around aswell it shows you deep the heavyweights of the 90's are . It's actually no shame that the division isn't as strong now(it was worse is the 80's) but I suppose what I'm pointing to is that the 90's is the second strongest era ever after the late 60's early 70's era .

The truth is the heavyweight division is rarely that strong, it just happened that even when it wasn't strong it was still exciting . But seeing as nowdays heavyweights are that much bigger that when they're crap to watch it's really crap . Cruiserweight is still a more exciting division even with the exit of Haye .

T-K-O

Hero Of College wrote: »

What???

Maybe when guys like Ibragimov STOP being scared of Wlads shadow and FIGHT then we will see them get KTFO.

What are you talking about...Wlad is the champ and had a real opportunity to show his talent in that fight but he bitched out, I can't believe any boxing fan would call the fight any other way.


BTW the HW division is a joke these days. And it has nothing got to do with the colour of the champ. :rolleyes:

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

Both men settled for the result in that fight, Wlad didn't want to risk getting ko'ed while going for the ko and Sultan was happy with a points defeat . Bit sad really as Sultan actually had the hand speed and power to cause a few problems had he been aggresive enough . After Peter he's been Wlad's most dangerous fight since the Brewster defeat .

For Wlad he finally had a proper big Worldwide audience, he had even been on Letterman to help promote the fight . Then he went and bored the World to tears and a large amount of the 'casual' fans watching will be sticking to watching MMA in the future because that just wasn't entertaining(although at least Duddy was) .

To your post above that, Chris Arreola is considered a good prospect . How can you say the division isn't in trouble when a guy like that is considered a good prospect ?

In the 90's we had Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, Golota, Morrison, Moorer, Foreman, Mercer, Botha, Bruno, Tua, McCall, Mavrovich, Briggs, Akinwade, Holmes, Douglas, Ruddock, Tucker, Hide, Vitali and Donald.

Now some of those guys are still around today and a few were better fighters in the 80's but when you consider most of the mediocre 80's heavyweights(which I haven't named) were still around aswell it shows you deep the heavyweights of the 90's are . It's actually no shame that the division isn't as strong now(it was worse is the 80's) but I suppose what I'm pointing to is that the 90's is the second strongest era ever after the late 60's early 70's era .

The truth is the heavyweight division is rarely that strong, it just happened that even when it wasn't strong it was still exciting . But seeing as nowdays heavyweights are that much bigger that when they're crap to watch it's really crap . Cruiserweight is still a more exciting division even with the exit of Haye .

Arreola is "highly thought of" because he's a HBO fighter. The guy is a flat our bum who happens to be Mexican-American and thus he gets good copy and can shift tickets. He's the heavyweight divisions answer to John Duddy. Popular, well know, and is never going to win anything. Bottom line is its not Klitschkos fault that he's the best the Yanks can come up with.

Its called WORLD Heavyweight Championship...just cos the Yanks happen to suck big erect rhino dick right now doesn't mean the division is any worse. Guys like the Klitschkos, Povetkin, Peter, Ibragimov etc would have been serious players in ANY ERA. You really see Klitschko {especially Vitali} getting laid out by Joe Louis? Or by Primo Carnera? Or by Ken Norton?

As for the Ibragimov fight, Lennox Lewis did the same with Tua. Both guys found their level and left it at that. Lewis also did the same with Holyfield in the first fight. And paid a price. If ever there was a night that the division hit rock bottom, it was the night Eugenia Williams scored the 5th round 10-9 for Holyfield.

But that was on HBO, and Holy is an American, so I guess that means, per HBO, that Povetkin can't fight. Somehow.:rolleyes:

Hero Of College

T-K-O wrote: »

What are you talking about...Wlad is the champ and had a real opportunity to show his talent in that fight but he bitched out, I can't believe any boxing fan would call the fight any other way.


BTW the HW division is a joke these days. And it has nothing got to do with the colour of the champ. :rolleyes:

What about the talent he showed in his preceeding 50 or so bouts?

Bottom line is Ibragimov wouldn't hit the dance floor and it has always taken TWO to Tango.

Fukc it....Holy TRIED to fight back against Lewis and Lennox STILL wouldn't knock his ass out.

I think Thompson is going to cop a serious beating in Germany. But too bad it will be labelled a fight "that was in Germany, so it doesn't count, he had his chance...at the Garden".:eek::eek:

WHat will you say when David Haye gets Michael-Watsoned? That he was coming up from Cruiser, and that Wlad fights smaller men?

Do me a favour. The yanks have gone about defaming the division because its headed-up by White Non-Americans........if Klitschko was called Tommy Morrisson the division would be doing just fine right now.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

Arreola is "highly thought of" because he's a HBO fighter. The guy is a flat our bum who happens to be Mexican-American and thus he gets good copy and can shift tickets. He's the heavyweight divisions answer to John Duddy. Popular, well know, and is never going to win anything. Bottom line is its not Klitschkos fault that he's the best the Yanks can come up with.

Its called WORLD Heavyweight Championship...just cos the Yanks happen to suck big erect rhino dick right now doesn't mean the division is any worse. Guys like the Klitschkos, Povetkin, Peter, Ibragimov etc would have been serious players in ANY ERA. You really see Klitschko {especially Vitali} getting laid out by Joe Louis? Or by Primo Carnera? Or by Ken Norton?

As for the Ibragimov fight, Lennox Lewis did the same with Tua. Both guys found their level and left it at that. Lewis also did the same with Holyfield in the first fight. And paid a price. If ever there was a night that the division hit rock bottom, it was the night Eugenia Williams scored the 5th round 10-9 for Holyfield.

But that was on HBO, and Holy is an American, so I guess that means, per HBO, that Povetkin can't fight. Somehow.:rolleyes:

I wouldn't be sure of Duddy winning nothing, I'd fancy him against Verno Phillips .
Arreola's only recently started fighting on HBO, he's been an ESPN fighter for a long time, and that's not actually a positive tag .

Joe Louis is a Cruiserweight by modern standards, it's unfair to compare his era to modern ones head to head . Or almost any division from before the 1970's as heavyweights were just too small back then(hence no need for a Cruiserweight division) . Carnera wasn't a great champion anyway and fought in a poor division .

Who knows what state the current Vitali is in, we'll wait till he fights peter to judge that and it's not impossible that Norton could chin Wlad . He'd have a better chance than Thompson will or than Ibragimov had with the way he fought .

I like Povetkin but he wouldn't have really hacked it in the 90's, he'd still be a top 20 guy but just wouldn't have the power to compete . Peter fairs even worse as he doesn't have near the workrate of Povetkin and his once seemingly fantastic chin had a dent made in it by Jameel McCline a couple of times .


Lewis did do the same with Tua, however Tua never got floored by Ray ****in Austin and proved time after time to have an iron chin . Wlad outboxing a guy to a boring UD is fine.........if he just wants to win and doesn't want to grab the Worlds attention . If Americans or the rest of the World aren't interested in Klitschko then you can only really blame him, because he had a chance to make the World stand up and take note and he didn't do it .

Lennox had a much more dangerous opponent in front of him than Holyfield . Don't get me wrong, as I said Ibragimov has very quick hands and okay power but Wlad could have tried a few more hard rights hands a round without risking much and it would have greatly increased his chance of a knockout .

It's not like Wlad went after Ibragimov and he ran, both fighters didn't want a real scrap . In this case one trying to tango may have been enough but neither even tried .

I will give credit if Wlad ko's Thompson or defeats Haye and so will most of the World . The division is poor and in this case it wouldn't matter what anyone is called, it's just ****ing poor .


'WHat will you say when David Haye gets Michael-Watsoned?'

That's not just distasteful it seems like a comment from a sick minded individual . Do you realise what Michael Watson went through ?.........and then you imagine something like that happening to Haye as if you're hoping for it(and with your hate for Haye I probably imagine you do) .

Seriously that's just ****ing sick .

Hero Of College

So what? This is boxing. Its a distasteful business.

T-K-O

Hero Of College wrote: »

What about the talent he showed in his preceeding 50 or so bouts?

Bottom line is Ibragimov wouldn't hit the dance floor and it has always taken TWO to Tango.

Fukc it....Holy TRIED to fight back against Lewis and Lennox STILL wouldn't knock his ass out.

I think Thompson is going to cop a serious beating in Germany. But too bad it will be labelled a fight "that was in Germany, so it doesn't count, he had his chance...at the Garden".:eek::eek:

WHat will you say when David Haye gets Michael-Watsoned? That he was coming up from Cruiser, and that Wlad fights smaller men?

Do me a favour. The yanks have gone about defaming the division because its headed-up by White Non-Americans........if Klitschko was called Tommy Morrisson the division would be doing just fine right now.

Wlad jabbed the entire fight in what was one of the worse fights Ive ever seen. You mention Haye, Now I'm no fan of the Haymaker but he would not have jabbed all night long he would have attacked looking to land bombs.

The Morrison comparison is ridiculous Wlad is a much better fighter he just seems to scared to get KOed and that results in boring fights.

When Haye moves up there wont be many guys who can live with his speed and he will win one of the belts.

No doubt there is a question over Hayes chin but if he catches you first you'll end up Enzo'd!!

Hero Of College

T-K-O wrote: »

Wlad jabbed the entire fight in what was one of the worse fights Ive ever seen. You mention Haye, Now I'm no fan of the Haymaker but he would not have jabbed all night long he would have attacked looking to land bombs.

The Morrison comparison is ridiculous Wlad is a much better fighter he just seems to scared to get KOed and that results in boring fights.

When Haye moves up there wont be many guys who can live with his speed and he will win one of the belts.

No doubt there is a question over Hayes chin but if he catches you first you'll end up Enzo'd!!

Who isn't afraid to get KO'd??

When Hayes title shots were on the line, he fought the stinker of stinkers against Ismael Abdoul.

Klitschko was slapping Ibragimov around by the 11th. He had a knockdown they never gave him. He had him when the bell rang to end the 11th. Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Ali had some awful nights, with Jimmy Young, with Bugner in Malaysia, with that Spanish contender. Awful awful affairs.

Klitschko did for Brock, Austin and Byrd with big punches. He beat Brewster into subsmission. Then he has an off-night against a coy opponent at MSG and its the end of the world.
:rolleyes:

T-K-O

Hero Of College wrote: »

Who isn't afraid to get KO'd??

When Hayes title shots were on the line, he fought the stinker of stinkers against Ismael Abdoul.

Klitschko was slapping Ibragimov around by the 11th. He had a knockdown they never gave him. He had him when the bell rang to end the 11th. Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Ali had some awful nights, with Jimmy Young, with Bugner in Malaysia, with that Spanish contender. Awful awful affairs.

Klitschko did for Brock, Austin and Byrd with big punches. He beat Brewster into subsmission. Then he has an off-night against a coy opponent at MSG and its the end of the world.
:rolleyes:

What are you talking about ...end of the world, Ive always said Wlad is a good fighter he just needs to show it more often. He has more bad than good nights.

Again Im no fan of Haye but against a guy that could easily (Enzo) have KOed him he went out all guns blazing.

Hero Of College

T-K-O wrote: »

What are you talking about ...end of the world, Ive always said Wlad is a good fighter he just needs to show it more often. He has more bad than good nights.

Again Im no fan of Haye but against a guy that could easily (Enzo) have KOed him he went out all guns blazing.

There is a world of difference between Enzo Mac and the likes of Peter and Ibragimov. In fact...its not a WORLD...its a frigging Universe of difference.

As for Klitschkos BAD NIGHTS....care to name a few?? Even when he lost there was a tonne of action.

His fight with Sam Peter was one of the BEST Heavyweight fights of recent years, especially considering it wasn't even for a title. It was a title-eliminator. Compare that to Hayes title-eliminator against Abdoul. Snooze fest.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

There is a world of difference between Enzo Mac and the likes of Peter and Ibragimov. In fact...its not a WORLD...its a frigging Universe of difference.

As for Klitschkos BAD NIGHTS....care to name a few?? Even when he lost there was a tonne of action.

His fight with Sam Peter was one of the BEST Heavyweight fights of recent years, especially considering it wasn't even for a title. It was a title-eliminator. Compare that to Hayes title-eliminator against Abdoul. Snooze fest.

I wasn't going to come back to this thread after the Michael Watson comment but I don't like lies or half-truths being spread so I'll stop it now .



Haye v Abdoul was not an eliminator, it was an easy defence of the European title for Haye and they picked the very poor but durable Abdoul for 2 reasons .
1.To get Haye using the left hand a lot more and stop him and stop him being a right hand happy fighter . Haye says afterwards that he limited himself to no more than 3 right hands a round and if you watch the fight back you will see he didn't 3 more than 3 rights in a round . He even rocked Abdoul badly with a right uppercut but didn't finish him as when he was about to put Abdoul away he realised he had already thrown 3 rights, had to resort to trying to get him out with the left and Abdoul survived the round . This was a necessary thing to do for Haye's development and yes it was very boring but he apologised for it and hasn't had a poor fight since .

2.Was to get 12 rounds in, before that Haye had only gone 8 once and 5 once and other than that he had finished guys in 4 rounds or less .

Klitschko's fight with peter was a decent fight, it was perfectly watchable but it was no where and I mean no where as good as Brewster v Lyakhovich(which was a real classic) and Maskaev v Rahman II(which was a very good fight) . His fight with Brock was very boring till the ko, but he did finish with a spectacular knockout so shouldn't be criticized for that .

As I said Klitschko can win whatever way he likes, I'll still watch . The problem is if it's in the manner of the Ibragimov fight millions around the World won't .

BTW you might want to check some things before you go saying them, eg Miranda was a voluntary for Abraham(which was not true) and Haye v Abdoul was a title Eliminator(again not true, Haye v Fragomeni was an eliminator) .

cowzerp

Hero Of College wrote: »

WHat will you say when David Haye gets Michael-Watsoned?

I cant believe a boxing fan would make a remark like this. Shame on you.

Hero Of College

cowzerp wrote: »

I cant believe a boxing fan would make a remark like this. Shame on you.

Okay then.

When Haye fights Klitschko he {Haye} will suffer a devestating knockout, will receive scant medical attention in the ring leading to the aggravation of a subdural haematoma, which results in severe brain damage and maybe, just maybe, David can walk the London Marathon 10 years on.

Is that acceptable??

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

I wasn't going to come back to this thread after the Michael Watson comment but I don't like lies or half-truths being spread so I'll stop it now .



Haye v Abdoul was not an eliminator, it was an easy defence of the European title for Haye and they picked the very poor but durable Abdoul for 2 reasons .
1.To get Haye using the left hand a lot more and stop him and stop him being a right hand happy fighter . Haye says afterwards that he limited himself to no more than 3 right hands a round and if you watch the fight back you will see he didn't 3 more than 3 rights in a round . He even rocked Abdoul badly with a right uppercut but didn't finish him as when he was about to put Abdoul away he realised he had already thrown 3 rights, had to resort to trying to get him out with the left and Abdoul survived the round . This was a necessary thing to do for Haye's development and yes it was very boring but he apologised for it and hasn't had a poor fight since .

2.Was to get 12 rounds in, before that Haye had only gone 8 once and 5 once and other than that he had finished guys in 4 rounds or less .

Klitschko's fight with peter was a decent fight, it was perfectly watchable but it was no where and I mean no where as good as Brewster v Lyakhovich(which was a real classic) and Maskaev v Rahman II(which was a very good fight) . His fight with Brock was very boring till the ko, but he did finish with a spectacular knockout so shouldn't be criticized for that .

As I said Klitschko can win whatever way he likes, I'll still watch . The problem is if it's in the manner of the Ibragimov fight millions around the World won't .

BTW you might want to check some things before you go saying them, eg Miranda was a voluntary for Abraham(which was not true) and Haye v Abdoul was a title Eliminator(again not true, Haye v Fragomeni was an eliminator) .

Or been finished in 5 rounds or less. Ha ha.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

Or been finished in 5 rounds or less. Ha ha.

What fight bar the Johanneson(8 rounds) or the Thompson(5 rounds) fight lasted more than 4 rounds .

The answer is none btw .

I wouldn't wish 1 10th of what happened to Michael Watson on anyone, not even people like Clifford Ettiene, Dave Hilton, Mike Tyson or Harry Simon never mind someone like Haye who hasn't commited such awful offences as those .

Next you'll be saying you enjoyed what happened to Gerald McClellan .

cowzerp

Hero Of College wrote: »

Okay then.

When Haye fights Klitschko he {Haye} will suffer a devestating knockout, will receive scant medical attention in the ring leading to the aggravation of a subdural haematoma, which results in severe brain damage and maybe, just maybe, David can walk the London Marathon 10 years on.

Is that acceptable??

No thats disgraceful-your 1 kicking a man when he's down and 2 making a stupid comment about another fighter that are ridiculus. I'm sure your just trying to upset people here. Get a life. And some human decency while your at it.

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

I wasn't going to come back to this thread after the Michael Watson comment but I don't like lies or half-truths being spread so I'll stop it now .

Ooohhhh.....he's in the thread, y'all!!!

The Ears wrote:

Haye v Abdoul was not an eliminator, it was an easy defence of the European title for Haye and they picked the very poor but durable Abdoul for 2 reasons.

Well its all easy when you are as good as David, I suppose. They picked Abdoul cos if he lost his fukcing title shots went down the sh!tter. So its an eliminator as good as. Lose, and he was ELIMINATED from contention.

The Ears wrote:

To get Haye using the left hand a lot more and stop him and stop him being a right hand happy fighter . Haye says afterwards that he limited himself to no more than 3 right hands a round and if you watch the fight back you will see he didn't 3 more than 3 rights in a round

3 more than 3 is 6. So we didn't see any more than 5 right hands? Or is it 3? Or what? When Wlad uses the right sparingly, and utterly utterly utterly dominates a real world class opponent with the left, all we get is complaints. Who are we to trust more, a guy who says the right wasn't there and dominates with his jab, or a guy who takes the publics money so he can have a live sparring session? More proof of the fan-unfriendly nature of David Haye.

The Ears wrote:

He even rocked Abdoul badly with a right uppercut but didn't finish him as when he was about to put Abdoul away he realised he had already thrown 3 rights, had to resort to trying to get him out with the left and Abdoul survived the round . This was a necessary thing to do for Haye's development and yes it was very boring but he apologised for it and hasn't had a poor fight since

What BOLLOCSK is that? Its not Wimbledon. You don't realise you have used up your contingent of "3" challenges? He had his man going, and his fighters instinct was totally overidden by his training, and he stopped himself from throwing a right hand???? Don't annoy me mate.:mad::mad:

He was floored in his next fight. Klitschko totally dominated a world class opponent and heavyweight champ in his next and he had himself a poor fight, according to you and your sort. But Haye gets dumped by MORMECK and he had a good fight. It didn't look that way from Heavyweight buddy. Was it entertaining? A bit. Was it good? No...not if your next opponents are bigger, heavier men.

The Ears wrote:

.Was to get 12 rounds in, before that Haye had only gone 8 once and 5 once and other than that he had finished guys in 4 rounds or less

:rolleyes::rolleyes: So he set out to bullsh!t the public. Nice.

The Ears wrote:

Klitschko's fight with peter was a decent fight, it was perfectly watchable but it was no where and I mean no where as good as Brewster v Lyakhovich(which was a real classic) and Maskaev v Rahman II(which was a very good fight) . His fight with Brock was very boring till the ko, but he did finish with a spectacular knockout so shouldn't be criticized for that .

The Brock fight was not very boring. It was close on the cards, and Brock was making it interesting then Wlad got cut, upped the pace, and scored a punch KO. Perfectly entertaining fight, and the second undefeated top 10 fighter that Wlad had taken the "0" off since he beat Byrd {Peter and Brock}

Brewster vs White Wolf was a better fight but only because of the limitations of both men. Peter/Wlad involved higher caliber fighters. You only have to look at their current standings to see that is true. Lesser fighters can often make for better fights. There was a tonne of quality in the Wlad-Peters fight, considering what was at stake.

The Ears wrote:

As I said Klitschko can win whatever way he likes, I'll still watch . The problem is if it's in the manner of the Ibragimov fight millions around the World won't .

Well there aren't too many more Ibragimovs out there. Thompson will probably be really really coy this weekend but Wlad will figure him out too.

The Ears wrote:

BTW you might want to check some things before you go saying them, eg Miranda was a voluntary for Abraham(which was not true) and Haye v Abdoul was a title Eliminator(again not true, Haye v Fragomeni was an eliminator) .

And you would do well to remember that before the Abdoul fight, David Haye was not taking everyone out in under 4 rounds.

Hero Of College

Big Ears wrote: »

What fight bar the Johanneson(8 rounds) or the Thompson(5 rounds) fight lasted more than 4 rounds .

The answer is none btw .

I wouldn't wish 1 10th of what happened to Michael Watson on anyone, not even people like Clifford Ettiene, Dave Hilton, Mike Tyson or Harry Simon never mind someone like Haye who hasn't commited such awful offences as those .

Next you'll be saying you enjoyed what happened to Gerald McClellan .

Thats like 10 percent of his fights. You said NONE. I said there were some.

McClellan was NO FUKCING GOOD. Worse things happened to better people.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

Thats like 10 percent of his fights. You said NONE. I said there were some.

no I said: 'before that Haye had only gone 8 once and 5 once and other than that he had finished guys in 4 rounds or less .'

You had previously said

Hero Of College wrote: »

Or been finished in 5 rounds or less. Ha ha.', indicating you didn't believe that to be true .

Hero Of College wrote: »

Well its all easy when you are as good as David, I suppose. They picked Abdoul cos if he lost his fukcing title shots went down the sh!tter. So its an eliminator as good as. Lose, and he was ELIMINATED from contention.'

Nice trying to cover yourself there but seeing as Haye wasn't even in line for the eliminator against Fragomeni at that stage and Abdoul would not be in an eliminator not matter what happened then it really wasn't a World title eliminator . You don't call every fight a fighter has before a title eliminator an eliminator fight, otherwise you could say Haye had fought 17 eliminators before Abdoul .

Hero Of College wrote: »

The Brock fight was not very boring. It was close on the cards, and Brock was making it interesting then Wlad got cut, upped the pace, and scored a punch KO. Perfectly entertaining fight, and the second undefeated top 10 fighter that Wlad had taken the "0" off since he beat Byrd {Peter and Brock}

Brewster vs White Wolf was a better fight but only because of the limitations of both men. Peter/Wlad involved higher caliber fighters. You only have to look at their current standings to see that is true. Lesser fighters can often make for better fights. There was a tonne of quality in the Wlad-Peters fight, considering what was at stake.

The Brock fight was boring as ****, yes Brock was making it close but it was close because it was extremely cagey and Wlad hadn't been able to land many clean shots and all Brocks punches had gone to the body . The activity level in the fight was low and the only good thing about it was the finish . But as I said I don't want to discredit Wlad for that because at least he did provide the finish .

The quality in the Peters v Wlad fight was all from Wlad, peters was wild, inaccurate, showed poor stamina and only won rounds in which he floored Wladamir(two of those knockdowns were from nothing punches too) . What made that fight was the anticipation that if Wlad messed up he could be ko'ed .



Peter isn't a great fighter, he barely beat Toney in their first fight(I had Peter just winning) and was floored several times and hurt badly by Jameel McCline . Now to show McCline's quality he beat Terry Smith as convincingly as Rob Calloway . Calloway is a Cruiserweight and not even a good enough Cruiserweight that I'd list him in that other thread .

Hero Of College wrote: »

3 more than 3 is 6. So we didn't see any more than 5 right hands? Or is it 3? Or what? When Wlad uses the right sparingly, and utterly utterly utterly dominates a real world class opponent with the left, all we get is complaints. Who are we to trust more, a guy who says the right wasn't there and dominates with his jab, or a guy who takes the publics money so he can have a live sparring session? More proof of the fan-unfriendly nature of David Haye.

It's 3 right hands, I meant to say throw more than 3 right hands but said 3 more than 3 right hands . It was a public sparring session, Haye's only one in his career . It was no less interesting than the Ibragimov fight though, difference being Haye was an up and comming fighter at the time not the man considered to be the best heavyweight there . Maybe the 'right wasn't there' because he's too afraid to throw the bloody thing if he thinks there is a 1% chance of a counter .

Hero Of College wrote: »

What BOLLOCSK is that? Its not Wimbledon. You don't realise you have used up your contingent of "3" challenges? He had his man going, and his fighters instinct was totally overidden by his training, and he stopped himself from throwing a right hand???? Don't annoy me mate.'

Watch the fight, it happened and tbh surprised me quite a bit .

Hero Of College wrote: »

He was floored in his next fight. Klitschko totally dominated a world class opponent and heavyweight champ in his next and he had himself a poor fight, according to you and your sort. But Haye gets dumped by MORMECK and he had a good fight. It didn't look that way from Heavyweight buddy. Was it entertaining? A bit. Was it good? No...not if your next opponents are bigger, heavier men.

Dunno why you're bringing this in here, Klitschko is considered the best heavyweight in the World, if we are to compare any prospective opponent to him of course they aren't going to look as good . Tony Thompson looks crap all the time, but he's still getting his shot so I don't see why your set against everything Haye does considering he's a much better fighter than Thompson.

Hero Of College wrote: »

Well there aren't too many more Ibragimovs out there. Thompson will probably be really really coy this weekend but Wlad will figure him out too.

He's not good enough to be coy, he'll be ko'ed easily .

Hero Of College wrote: »

And you would do well to remember that before the Abdoul fight, David Haye was not taking everyone out in under 4 rounds.

I actually never said that, I said bar when he had went 8 rounds(Johanneson) and 5 rounds(Thompson) Haye had taken everyone out in 4 rounds or less .

BTW another mistake you made 'he second undefeated top 10 fighter that Wlad had taken the "0" off since he beat Byrd {Peter and Brock}'

Peter came before Byrd and don't tell me you meant the first Byrd fight because we both know that isn't the case .

Hero Of College

Ears wrote:

BTW another mistake you made 'he second undefeated top 10 fighter that Wlad had taken the "0" off since he beat Byrd {Peter and Brock}'

Peter came before Byrd and don't tell me you meant the first Byrd fight because we both know that isn't the case .

Actually, I meant to say that Ibragimov was the second undefeated fighter since Byrd, along with Brock. Too much click and paste and rushing. Fair cop alright but it was a genuine mistake with the names and the order.

The Brock fight was no barnstormer but it was well entertaining. Not as entertaining as Steve Bunce with a few beers in him, but entertaining nonetheless. You effectively prove it yourself in a back hand way- Brock was doing a lot of work to the body, it was close on the cards and Klitschko was cut. The crowd was Pro-Brock.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

Actually, I meant to say that Ibragimov was the second undefeated fighter since Byrd, along with Brock. Too much click and paste and rushing. Fair cop alright but it was a genuine mistake with the names and the order.

The Brock fight was no barnstormer but it was well entertaining. Not as entertaining as Steve Bunce with a few beers in him, but entertaining nonetheless. You effectively prove it yourself in a back hand way- Brock was doing a lot of work to the body, it was close on the cards and Klitschko was cut. The crowd was Pro-Brock.

fair enough, as easy a mistake to make as my '3' instead of 'throw' however if you were just going for top 10 fighters you could have named Brewster in there aswell .

I'll concede the Brock fight was intriguing because Brock was winning some rounds but you can't say it was entertaining, the majority of the fight comprised of foot work, feints and little else .
It was a spectacular ko in a very boring fight and as I keep saying there was nothing wrong with that because at least Wlad gave us the ko at the end .

ODD-JOB

Hero Of College wrote: »

McClellan was NO FUKCING GOOD. Worse things happened to better people.

He was great , he had a fantastic boxing style !!!
Mc Celland was spectacular to watch. I was very impressed as a young lad watchin him.

He did get some support financially from charity's and personal donations etc. There was a decent promotion for fans to contribute to his fund.

Shane Mosley organised a fund for the family of Corrales too .
It seems that you are looked after to some degree if you're famous.

But i do wonder about that african boxer that got killed in London a week ago..... Hardly a snippet in the papers or anything.

Big Ears

ODD-JOB wrote: »

He was great , he had a fantastic boxing style !!!
Mc Celland was spectacular to watch. I was very impressed as a young lad watchin him.

He did get some support financially from charity's and personal donations etc. There was a decent promotion for fans to contribute to his fund.

Shane Mosley organised a fund for the family of Corrales too .
It seems that you are looked after to some degree if you're famous.

But i do wonder about that african boxer that got killed in London a week ago..... Hardly a snippet in the papers or anything.

In the ring McClellan was a great fighter, outside it there are some things regarding dog fighting and particulary how he trained his dogs which are best left out of thise thread . McClellan may or may not have been a nice person, we can only speculate and comment on rumours, but there is no way he deserved what happened to him . Even if certain rumours are true .

Which African boxer was that ODD-JOB ?, I didn't hear anything about it myself .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGz-unNi1dU

-interview with McClellan from a few years ago .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNjoM63rJ3I

T-K-O

Man you are crazy with your opinions about Wlad the guy has the tools but won't show them. Get a poll going here 90% of people here will tell you his last fight was boring as hell.

I was going to pull you up on the Haye "eliminator" fight but someone beat me to it.

You say he would KO Haye - He has to throw a god dam punch in order to KO him and not jab like a pussy for 12 rounds.

Hell Ive wanted Wlad to KO Haye ever since Haye stepped up, but after chatting with you I hope Haye destroys him.


But what ever happens at least Haye will attack,



let me finished by saying G-Man was a great boxers.

Hero Of College

ODD-JOB wrote: »

He was great , he had a fantastic boxing style !!!
Mc Celland was spectacular to watch. I was very impressed as a young lad watchin him.

He did get some support financially from charity's and personal donations etc. There was a decent promotion for fans to contribute to his fund.

Shane Mosley organised a fund for the family of Corrales too .
It seems that you are looked after to some degree if you're famous.

But i do wonder about that african boxer that got killed in London a week ago..... Hardly a snippet in the papers or anything.

McClellan used to bait dogs and once, for fun, in a Florida car park, he ploughed into a pelican and drove around with its body hanging out the fender. He was a low down man and like I said, worse things happened to better men. People think that I am being crass.think about it...look at young men in Afghanistan, kids in Iraq.....kids on the street at home. Bad things happening to good people. McCellan was cruel and cold and had a mean streak. It would be unfair to say what happened to him was just and fair 100%.....but you know what....I can live with it.

cowzerp

Mclellan was a scum bag out of the ring and i dont feel for him TBH, you reap what you sow an all that, he used to foster labradors and tie there mouths and throw them in with trained fighting dogs for practise, evil and scummy.

Your original comment was about Watson and was just nasty for the sake of it, now your putting the mclellan story in to make it sound more decent. there's no place for that on here. Stick to boxing and leave the likes of watsons problems out of this type of thread.

if you want to talk about boxing injuries start a thread on boxing injuries feel free.

DiscoHugh

For my money Wlad needs to win in style. That last fight, the first unifaction fight in a decade was probably the worst heavyweight title fight in recent memory (and I cant remember any good ones) he spent the first 5 rounds swatting!

Im a huuuuuuuuuuge Klitschko fan (at least I was before that fight) but to be honest I preferred him when you went in knowing there was going to be a ko (just not 100% sure who was going to get ko'd). You can thank Manny for that, though to be fair even manny was imploring him to finish Sultan off last time out.

Anybody know what time the fight starts at? I should finally have my sports package hooked up by then and be able to watch it live

Hero Of College

DiscoHugh wrote: »

For my money Wlad needs to win in style. That last fight, the first unifaction fight in a decade was probably the worst heavyweight title fight in recent memory (and I cant remember any good ones) he spent the first 5 rounds swatting!

Im a huuuuuuuuuuge Klitschko fan (at least I was before that fight) but to be honest I preferred him when you went in knowing there was going to be a ko (just not 100% sure who was going to get ko'd). You can thank Manny for that, though to be fair even manny was imploring him to finish Sultan off last time out.

Anybody know what time the fight starts at? I should finally have my sports package hooked up by then and be able to watch it live

John Ruiz had at least 5 title fights which were WAY WORSE than that. Its not Wlads fault you can't appreciate how a 6'2" Southpaw banger with world credentials at amateur and pro levels got totally fenced in and outboxed by a guy using just his left hand. Watch the MMA if you want to see untalented bufoons bashing each other around to the raucous approval of a yankee mob.

Manny Steward is full of sh!t. At the end of the Peter fight he was imploring Wlad to "bip bip bip"....i.e. just run for the 12th. At the end of the Ibragimov fight, he was telling Wlad to go for it. Is he a trainer or a PR man??

Setanta coverage starts at 8pm Saturday night.

PS Klitschko was on Steve Bunces boxing hour today, said he has prepared fully, and that David Haye will come a history in the ring. Basically he said he would beat the misbehaviour out of him.

I agree Wlad needs to win in style. But its unlikely. Thompson is big, long and awkward, is coming off a very useful win and has been to Germany before. Been there, done that....got the win. He is unlikely to do anything other than look for counterpunching opportunities. That means, once again, Wlad has to do all the work. Its not his fault. He just needs to be smart and make sure that he doesn't get walked into a cute shot.

Apparently Haye and his mob will be there. I hope Klitschko blanks the guy. Like Klitschko said, Haye hasn't even fought for real in the Heavyweight division yet, at least not as part of a concerted campaign. So he needs to STFU. It is expected Haye and his mob will be 20 strong....the sort of knife wielding London mob we are all too familiar with.

ODD-JOB

Hold on ,........ Haye himself was involved in a snoozefest not so long ago.... He hardly threw a jab all night . Cant remember who , but he got awful stick for it.

that last Klitscko fight was one of the worst of all time.....
Its almost comparable with D Williams V fraudly harrison.

Although as one reporter put it " A fight broke out half way thru the 12th .........."

Big Ears , ... even I cant remember who got killed there the other day.
I'll look back on the news pages and get back to you.

Hero Of College

ODD-JOB wrote: »

Hold on ,........ Haye himself was involved in a snoozefest not so long ago.... He hardly threw a jab all night . Cant remember who , but he got awful stick for it.

that last Klitscko fight was one of the worst of all time.....
Its almost comparable with D Williams V fraudly harrison.

Although as one reporter put it " A fight broke out half way thru the 12th .........."

Big Ears , ... even I cant remember who got killed there the other day.
I'll look back on the news pages and get back to you.

Ismael Abdoul was the guy he fought. People were leaving towards the end. It was absolute tripe. But there are people here who will tell you that Haye was on strict instructions to throw no more than 3 right hands per round.:rolleyes::rolleyes: You can believe that if you want.

As for British heavyweight boxing.....I think it was Skelton and Sprott/Williams that had that absolute Snooze fest one night. Sprott knew his man was better so he just spoiled all night. British boxing has had more than its fair share of stinkers, Peter Oboh and Johnny Nelson to name but a few.

Wlad comes up against a guy who knew how to hide for 12, and all of a sudden he {Wlad} is the 2nd coming of Ruiz. Its Haterism, plain and simple. You can call it a bad fight all you want- but you can't argue with how a world class fighter was forced to mentally quit by perhaps the best jab the heavyweight division has seen for some time. In the 11th, when Ibragimov finally offered an opening, Klitschko hit him with two throw away rights that almost had him out.

Haye has DONE NOTHING, yet he will be in Germany, like he was the most avoided thing since the Bubonic Plague. He's nobody. He's boxings version of Mark Morrisson. A jumped up punk who thinks he's hot sh!t. He's not hot sh!t. He's dead sh!t.

megadodge

Hero Of College wrote: »

Wlad comes up against a guy who knew how to hide for 12, and all of a sudden he {Wlad} is the 2nd coming of Ruiz. Its Haterism, plain and simple. You can call it a bad fight all you want- but you can't argue with how a world class fighter was forced to mentally quit by perhaps the best jab the heavyweight division has seen for some time. In the 11th, when Ibragimov finally offered an opening, Klitschko hit him with two throw away rights that almost had him out.

Haye has DONE NOTHING, yet he will be in Germany, like he was the most avoided thing since the Bubonic Plague. He's nobody. He's boxings version of Mark Morrisson. A jumped up punk who thinks he's hot sh!t. He's not hot sh!t. He's dead sh!t.

Mike Tyson's nickname + 'y' !!

Hero Of College

megadodge wrote: »

Mike Tyson's nickname + 'y' !!

I don't hate Haye. I just know that he has done jack sh!t in the Heavyweight division. I don't show up at Magny Cours in a Honda Civic and talk SH!TE..therefore David don't show up with his tinny Cruiserweight titles and talk sh!te at Heavyweight.

megadodge

Hero Of College wrote: »

I don't hate Haye.

You've fooled just about everyone on this forum then !!

Hero Of College

megadodge wrote: »

You've fooled just about everyone on this forum then !!

No. That was David Haye what fooled everyone on this forum.

The only reason Setanta are even bothering to show the Klitschko fight is BECAUSE THEY PROMOTE HAYE.

Look how much attention this chinny loser-to-Carl-Thompson is getting.....how can you not see how bad this is for boxing??

IN THE MEANTIME..Klitschko is actually FIGHTING for something at the moment, unlike Haye, who has time to be running around doing the Ghetto thing with his beanie cap and his cronies.

Klitschko: 241lbs

Thompson: 247.5lbs.

megadodge

Look how much attention this chinny loser-to-Carl-Thompson is getting.....how can you not see how bad this is for boxing??

Surely any publicity is good publicity, especially for one of the more 'marginal' sports like boxing ???

Even more ironic than than the original irony is that I regard you as the forum's version of Steve Bunce !! Reasably knowledgable but you just can't help adding your own version of things and dressing it up as fact.

You're act is wearing thin.

raven136

megadodge wrote: »

Surely any publicity is good publicity, especially for one of the more 'marginal' sports like boxing ???

Even more ironic than than the original irony is that I regard you as the forum's version of Steve Bunce !! Reasably knowledgable but you just can't help adding your own version of things and dressing it up as fact.

You're act is wearing thin.

hey, at least Bunce can be funny:D

Hero Of College

raven136 wrote: »

hey, at least Bunce can be funny:D

In fairness to Steve, first and foremost, he genuinely loves the sport. Thats a far cry from the Shysters and the hanger ons and the dudes who try to take the game down. The Doctors and Politicians who get on the bandwagon everytime a guy gets hurt or there is a dodgy decision. If we are to judge Bunce by the "Does He Love Boxing" Rule then, yes, Steven Bunce of England is SOLID GOLD.

Unfortunately, SB also has to earn a living. That means saying things which he really normally wouldn't say. Spoof, Bluff, Puffery, Spin etc...all of which annoy the sh!t out of serious fans.

Tony Thompson also had to earn a living and thats what he did tonight. In fairness I think I called it correct, the guy was long, awkward and offered little in the line of opportunities until the fight drained out of him and he left openings for Wlad to exploit. He was profligate with his head. Was awkward as hell but Wlad stuck at it and figured him out. Listening to Setanta you think Haye had already beaten Peter and Vitali himself, but someone has to promote the poor cnut I guess. Bunce went on his rant about Witherspoon, Dokes, Page etc but the truth is those guys would have done no better than Thompson did.

Dokes? Got KO'd by a white man. And a South African at that. Nobody loses to a white man:D

Witherspoon? Lost to an ancient Holmes. Lost to Savarese. Needed 11 rounds to get Bruno out of there. Bunce was desperately trying to make out that this crop of serial losers would have done some damage to Wlad and that the only reason that Brock, Thompson, Brewster, Thompson have lost to Wlad is cos Americas Golden Generation are dead. Wlads not even the top Klitschko- and Lyakhovich was in there doing some damage too, lest we forget, as was Valuev and others.

I'd give Wlad 7/10 tonight. Cons were that he could have thrown more shots and been a lot tighter defensively. Pros were that he threw quality, refused to be intimidated stuck to his own plan and ended it with one shot.

As for Haye, the only reason he wants a shot is cos he knows Klitschko Sr and Peter will wax him. Can't wait for big mouths fight in November....against...yes, you've guessed it...TBA:p:p:p