God Mod

Raiser

Hey All,

In the interests of free speech and the ethos of a balanced public Forum where people can post topics and subsequently debate them as free-thinking adults could the below thread-lock please be considered........?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=56416354#post56416354

I sent the below argument via the "report" link - but am not sure if it just goes straight back to Peasant to be haughtily and righteouly poo-poo'ed a second time over in accordance with his personal outlook on motoring life in Eire 2008 - the conservative years :rolleyes:

p.s. I have no problem with the possibilty that the Motors Forum might not agree, jump on board etc. - but to have one man shoot a topic down on a whim? - Thats just too reactionary and unecessarily heavy handed for me

Raiser wrote:

? VRT and Motoring are linked closely enough to justify this threads existance I believe - I also believe that the impulsive, heavy-handed closure of this thread is not Moderation and guardianship of the local standards/Forum Charter - but is instead rash Censorship in alignment with Peasants own personal views on this particular topic.

Why else should nobody else be allowed an opportuntity to express their own opinions?

Please let this thread live or die on its own merits or failings - I very sincerely don't believe the call is yours to make Peasant.

Posting this in Feedback too BTW as not too sure if the report function just feeds back to the original trigger happy, unimaginative drone ;-)

Rb

Raiser wrote: »

Hey All,

In the interests of free speech and the ethos of a balanced public Forum where people can post topics and subsequently debate them as free-thinking adults could the below thread-lock please be considered........?

a: No free speech on Boards
b: Privately owned forum

Raiser wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=56416354#post56416354

I sent the below argument via the "report" link - but am not sure if it just goes straight back to Peasant to be haughtily and righteouly poo-poo'ed a second time over in accordance with his personal outlook on motoring life in Eire 2008 - the conservative years :rolleyes:

p.s. I have no problem with the possibilty that the Motors Forum might not agree, jump on board etc. - but to have one man shoot a topic down on a whim? - Thats just too reactionary and unecessarily heavy handed for me

Lisbon has nothing to do with VRT, VRT has nothing to do with the Lisbon Treaty. A thread called "Lets axe VRT with Lisbon II", as peasant said, is a non starter.

The locking was fine imo.

Steve

1. It's a political issue, not a motors issue
2. No free speech as Rb said.
3. You're raving if you think the two are connected, VRT is a local government thing, not a Lisbon issue.

Karoma

It's a cross-post of a thread you created in AH... That's generally not liked.
Poo-poo you sir. I defy you to ignore this poo-poo. Lives have been lost because of ignored poo-poo'ing.

peasant

First off ...thanks for popping my cherry, my first ever feedback thread, I'm honoured.

Secondly, standard procedure would be to raise your issue with the mod in question (me) first via pm, possibly consult any other motor mods as well via pm with a view to resolving the situation BEFORE you go off to the public wailing wall that is Feedback (and reported posts on top of it)

But anyway ...here are the reasons for closing your thread that I would also have given you via PM, had you asked.

1) it is not considered good manners on boards (all of boards) that when you start a thread in one forum and don't get the responses you think it deserves or that you agree with to then go and try and cross pollenate that thread by drumming up support for it in another forum. That alone is reason enough to close your thread in motors

2) your post is not a motoring issue. Yes, it contains the term "VRT" but it is a politcal pamphlet / rant that has no place in motors, hence my hint to take it to politics

3) your post is confused at best. VRT has nothing to do with the Lisbon treaty and it should have nothing to do with it either. Lisbon is Lisbon and belongs into the EU forum (or into Portugal) and VRT has been dicussed at great length before and over and over again in motors and I will not allow another VRT thread that starts on such a confused and diffuse footing as it will only end in tears and be locked anyway.

My decision to lock this thread stands.


EDIT ...geez ..you guys all type fast

DeVore

The lock seems fine.

DeV.

GuanYin

Just to pre-empt you taking the advice of others here.

Any thread started on this in politics/EU forum will get the respect it deserves (ie. none).

Karoma

Raiser, I'm not too impressed with your further soapboxing. You're dragging your own thread off-topic. Keep feedback in Feedback. It'd be a damn shame if it got the thread locked.
Don't cross-post - if people want to read a thread in AH, they'll read it. They're only as blind as they want to be.

Rb

DeVore wrote: »

The lock seems fine.

DeV.

/thread

Simplicity

http://omg.wthax.org/rb_virgin.jpg

Rb

Gonna keep following me around, Mercury? How many sitebans will it take for you to get the message?

WhiteWashMan

hmmm, i thought this was a thread about me.
how disappointing.

Simplicity

Rb wrote: »

Gonna keep following me around, Mercury? How many sitebans will it take for you to get the message?

Very much so. I like you. You like me?

Simplicity

WhiteWashMan wrote: »

hmmm, i thought this was a thread about me.
how disappointing.

wwhead Go kill a snake or something

Seth Brundle

Had Peasant not deleted the post, I would have. The two items are not related and if a thread on the Lisbon sequel is to be had then it can be done elsewhere.
Still, can the admins change Peasant's title to be a "God Mod"?

Raiser

peasant wrote: »

with edits - hope thats ok Peasant.....
1) it is not considered good manners on boards (all of boards) that when you start a thread in one forum and don't get the responses you think it deserves or that you agree with to then go and try and cross pollenate that thread by drumming up support for it in another forum. That alone is reason enough to close your thread in motors

Sincerely, this has been your assumption and I recognise the route by which you happily arrived there Peasant. The trouble I have is that it does not fairly represent what actually occured. You as sole judge, jury and executioner arrived at this juncture, paused and laid down YOUR law - Boards.ie/Free Speech=0 Peasant=1

peasant wrote:

2) your post is not a motoring issue. Yes, it contains the term "VRT" but it is a politcal pamphlet / rant that has no place in motors, hence my hint to take it to politics

40% on the forecourt price of a self-propelled motoring vehicle does NOT equal a motoring issue ??? - WOW, I'm waiting for balloon animals, birthday-bumps and a bouncy castle, or ANYTHING else you might suddenly bring on to somehow distract me from reality :eek: Boards.ie/Free Speech=0 Peasant=2

peasant wrote:

3) your post is confused at best. VRT has nothing to do with the Lisbon treaty and it should have nothing to do with it either. Lisbon is Lisbon and belongs into the EU forum (or into Portugal) and VRT has been dicussed at great length before and over and over again in motors and I will not allow another VRT thread that starts on such a confused and diffuse footing as it will only end in tears and be locked anyway.

Hey! Your forgot one crucial thing which is very, very important on a public message board!!!! You forgot to humbly add that all of the above text was YOUR OWN OPINION. If I wanted this to be considered ONLY BY YOU I would have PM'd you, asked for your email address and then no doubt subsequently been horrified and crushed by your disagreement with my sentiment.

But not so. I didn't post this ONLY for Peasant to read and dismiss it was meant for discussion - what is the site here for in the first place? Where was the infraction? This is more MCD than boards.ie - ie, shut up and fcuk off. Boards.ie/Free Speech=0 Peasant=3

My decision to lock this thread stands.

Please take a minute someday to let me know why Peasant

Seth Brundle

Raiser wrote: »

Sincerely, this has been your assumption and I recognise the route by which you happily arrived there Peasant. The trouble I have is that it does not fairly represent what actually occured. You as sole judge, jury and executioner arrived at this juncture, paused and laid down YOUR law - Boards.ie/Free Speech=0 Peasant=1



40% on the forecourt price of a self-propelled motoring vehicle does NOT equal a motoring issue ??? - WOW, I'm waiting for balloon animals, birthday-bumps and a bouncy castle, or ANYTHING else you might suddenly bring on to somehow disract me from reality :eek: Boards.ie/Free Speech=0 Peasant=2



Hey! Your forgot one crucial thing which is very, very important on a public message board!!!! You forgot to humbly add that all of the above text was YOUR OWN OPINION. If I wanted this to be considered ONLY BY YOU I would have PM'd you, asked for your email address and then no doubt subsequently been horrified and crushed by your disagreement with my sentiment.

But not so. I didn't post this ONLY for Peasant to read and dismiss it was meant for discussion - what is the site here for in the first place? Where was the infraction? This is more MCD than boards.ie - ie, shut up and fcuk off. Boards.ie/Free Speech=0 Peasant=3



Please take a minute someday to let me know why Peasant

Please get over your notion of free speech as there really isn't such a thing.

The moderators are volunteers who give their time to keep this site running smoothly.
Your post was not a motors discussion. You wanted people to discuss a local tax in a non existent European referendum. The moderator decided that it wasn't relevant - a view that is backed up by myself (another motors mod) and by some of the admins and don't think that we are ganging up on you.

Rb

Raiser wrote: »

Sincerely, this has been your assumption and I recognise the route by which you happily arrived there Peasant. The trouble I have is that it does not fairly represent what actually occured. You as sole judge, jury and executioner arrived at this juncture, paused and laid down YOUR law - Boards.ie/Free Speech=0 Peasant=1

They're the moderator, they make the judgements on the forum they moderate. They judged your thread to be FOS and a non-starter, inappropriate to the forum and closed it, a decision which has since been supported by one of the site owners.

Again, there is NO freedom of speech on Boards so I don't see why you'd equate Boards to Free Speech.

Raiser wrote:

40% on the forecourt price of a self-propelled motoring vehicle does NOT equal a motoring issue ??? - WOW, I'm waiting for balloon animals, birthday-bumps and a bouncy castle, or ANYTHING else you might suddenly bring on to somehow distract me from reality :eek: Boards.ie/Free Speech=0 Peasant=2

Of course it is, but you're bringing it up with regards to the Lisbon Treaty, which is a political issue and therefore should be discussed in politics. Pleasantly enough the mod of Politics has said you're not to start any thread that resembles it there, so maybe you should just drop it?

Raiser wrote:

Hey! Your forgot one crucial thing which is very, very important on a public message board!!!! You forgot to humbly add that all of the above text was YOUR OWN OPINION. If I wanted this to be considered ONLY BY YOU I would have PM'd you, asked for your email address and then no doubt subsequently been horrified and crushed by your disagreement with my sentiment.

You also cross posted it, which is a no no and in itself a reason to lock the thread. It's also a fact that the Lisbon Treaty II and VRT have nothing to do with eachother, not just their opinion.

Raiser wrote:

Please take a minute someday to let me know why Peasant

They've already explained it, site owner has approved of the decision so it should realistically be put to bed. Why you're still banging on about a thread that amounted to a bag of bollocks is beyond me but I'd suggest you just leave it.

Sully

Raiser wrote: »

Sincerely, this has been your assumption and I recognise the route by which you happily arrived there Peasant. The trouble I have is that it does not fairly represent what actually occured. You as sole judge, jury and executioner arrived at this juncture, paused and laid down YOUR law - Boards.ie/Free Speech=0 Peasant=1

My dear friend, posting a topic in one forum and failing does not mean you keep going until you get a forum where you actually pass. Its annoying and Peasant is correct in stating that its frowned upon and is enough of a reason to get it removed. Its not his opinion. He aint the jury, and probably wouldnt be considered the judge but yes the executioner sounds about right - Boards.ie Users/Mods (majorit) agree that cross posting is naughty, and the executioner steps in and sorts those who cross posts out.

Bare in mind: This is a private forum. There are guidelines and there are rules. You must agree to adhere to these, or you will be asked to be removed. There is no free speach on this board.

Hey! Your forgot one crucial thing which is very, very important on a public message board!!!! You forgot to humbly add that all of the above text was YOUR OWN OPINION. If I wanted this to be considered ONLY BY YOU I would have PM'd you, asked for your email address and then no doubt subsequently been horrified and crushed by your disagreement with my sentiment.

*DING!* Wrong. You forgot one crucial thing - what Peasant did was in accordance with a general site policy and he acted on this. It was not his opinion. He did not make up the rule. Its as obvious to day light you broke a site rule, and he stepped in as he should have.

But not so. I didn't post this ONLY for Peasant to read and dismiss it was meant for discussion - what is the site here for in the first place? Where was the infraction? This is more MCD than boards.ie - ie, shut up and fcuk off. Boards.ie/Free Speech=0 Peasant=3

Well a few thousand posters a day dont seem to mind being able to discuss the large majority of things, once it doesnt cross any lines. Those lines are fair rules / guidelines which makes discussing things on Boards easier and avoid legal eagles waiting to pounce on Boards cause some idiot decided to say something stupid and wrong about someone and BANG Boards are held responsible while the accused carrys on.

Please take a minute someday to let me know why Peasant

He did. Your ignoring what he said. Everyone else can see it, you cant.

Seth Brundle

Rb wrote: »

Why you're still banging on about a thread that amounted to a bag of bollocks is beyond me but I'd suggest you just leave it.

ROFL

Steve

Raiser wrote: »

Boards.ie/Free Speech=0 Peasant=3

Surely you're around long enough to know that persistance is futile.

Talliesin

Raiser wrote: »

Hey All,

In the interests of free speech

Article 40.6.1 gives several protections to whatever you choose to put on your own website, though with some limitations.

To somewhat paraphrase the saying often attributed to Voltaire, I think what you have to say demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of different jurisdictions and a totally brain-dead approach to politics, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it (but not necessarily here).

You however think this website should publish what you think it should publish. That is to say you are opposed to this website having free speech. I find that objectionable.

Raiser

stevec wrote: »

Surely you're around long enough to know that persistance is futile.

Genuine laugh !!!!!!!

- Maybe so my friend.....

/ But I promise my original sentiment WAS sincere and I am a bit saddened by the Militia response.

& Original point remains valid - Sorry if that point is at variance with the opinion of the fcuking few.

+ Boards.ie has become more skillfully, exactingly, precisely, beautifully, wonderously moderated than it was when it was a wonderful free-flowing discourse of banter that made its own path without the aid of militant guardians with more keyboard time than free time - and that is a pity.

AlmightyCushion

Raiser, you did see DeVore's post above which says the lock seems ok?

Rb

It's never been "free flowing". I'd say it's more leniently moderated than ever, actually.

But go you, fight tha powah and all that.

Esel

There is no free speech on the internet. Somebody pays for those bits to be transmitted.

OP: Do you know the Five Lamps?

Rb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuTi9UZtPbw

javaboy

Raiser wrote: »

Boards.ie/Free Speech=0 Peasant=3

You're making the mistake of putting Boards.ie and Peasant on opposite sides.

DeVore wrote: »

The lock seems fine.

DeV.

Clearly boards A.K.A. DeV is clearly in agreement with Peasant so they should be on the same side.

There is no free speech on Boards.ie. Never has been never will be. Beginner's mistake.

Game over. Insert coin.

unkel

Rb wrote: »

I'd say it's more leniently moderated than ever, actually.

The motors category has been leniently moderated since back when it was not moderated at all. Although I prefer to describe the moderating style as relaxed, mature and all-welcoming

Tigger

DeVore wrote: »

The lock seems fine.

DeV.

this is code for quit whinging

Victor

How about a motors sub-forum for those that don't like their VRT, speed checks and other drivers, but do like themselves, their driving and their own use of fog lamps? tCN for motorheads.

Raiser

Devore wrote:

The lock seems fine.

DeV.

Tigger wrote: »

this is code for quit whinging

Wikipedia wrote:

A sycophant (from the Greek συκοφάντης sykophántēs) is a servile person who, acting in his or her own self interest, attempts to win favor by flattering one or more influential persons, with an undertone that these actions are executed at the cost of his or her own personal pride, principles, and peer respect. Such a manner is called obsequiousness.

Would. you. please. go. back. to. class.

Boards.ie minus input from Joe Public = VBulletin http://www.vbulletin.com/ - VBulletin exists GLOBALLY as long as you buy the €19.99 license [approx] - I don't care what lucker was a second cousin of the buddy that happened to sit next to the sweetheart that kicked off a Quake forum in Gaillaimh in 1932- The cold fact is geniuses - that if they hadn't luckily happened to mooch on a FPS then the next man would have idly done so about 20 minutes later - FACT - I wouldn't have thrown the chancers a Tin Daddy Long Legs. Also and by the way, if you are looking for creativity - Quake was designed by ID Software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Software

Talliesin

Raiser wrote: »

Boards.ie has become more skillfully, exactingly, precisely, beautifully, wonderously moderated than it was when it was a wonderful free-flowing discourse of banter that made its own path without the aid of militant guardians with more keyboard time than free time - and that is a pity.

Nah. Back in the old days DeVore read every single post (yes, really) and people were sometimes banned just for being too ****ing irritating for words.

javaboy wrote: »

There is no free speech on Boards.ie. Never has been never will be. Beginner's mistake.

There is free speech on boards.ie - boards.ie's free speech. When a moderator locks a thread that's speech; thread-locks are protected by the constitution.

Sully

Clearly the OP hasnt a clue and just wont listen.

Lets just leave him be. We cant do no more.

Tigger

Raiser wrote: »

Would. you. please. go. back. to. class.

Boards.ie minus input from Joe Public = VBulletin http://www.vbulletin.com/ - VBulletin exists GLOBALLY as long as you buy the €19.99 license [approx] - I don't care what lucker was a second cousin of the buddy that happened to sit next to the sweetheart that kicked off a Quake forum in Gaillaimh in 1932- The cold fact is geniuses - if they hadn't posted on a FPS then next man would have about 20 minutes later - FACT - By the way, if you are looking for creativity - Quake was designed by ID Software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Software

i'm not a whetever that long word is and the second bit confuses me.
i don't like vrt if thats any help to you

Rb

Sully wrote: »

Clearly the OP hasnt a clue and just wont listen.

Lets just leave him be. We cant do no more.

Indeed.

He is a ginger though, and you know what they're like :pac:

randylonghorn

Raiser wrote: »

VBulletin exists GLOBALLY as long as you buy the €19.99 license [approx]

So go set up your own site ... www.hellraiser.ie seems to be going a-begging ...

javaboy

Talliesin wrote: »

There is free speech on boards.ie - boards.ie's free speech. When a moderator locks a thread that's speech; thread-locks are protected by the constitution.

I like this interpretation. It should be used to counter future whingers.

humanji

Rb wrote: »

Indeed.

He is a ginger though, and you know what they're like :pac:

Hey! That's a form of racism you know!

OP, you're wrong. It's simple as that. The only person on Earth and beyond who thinks you are right, is you. Why do you still believe you're right? Be a man about it and admit your wrong, and move on.

Gone West

Raiser wrote: »

but to have one man shoot a topic down on a whim? - Thats just too reactionary and unecessarily heavy handed for me

Actually I agree.

Jack Sheehan

Could we have a button next to the thank button that posts a message saying:
1There is no free speech on this private forum
2This is Feedback not a pm
etc etc?

Dragan

To be honest, the threads you posted looked like you were trying to make lego and sticklebricks into something meaningful.

There is no relation between the two issues you wanted to discuss. I fail to see why you still think this may be an issue?

Talliesin

Talliesin wrote: »

To somewhat paraphrase the saying often attributed to Voltaire, I think what you have to say demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of different jurisdictions and a totally brain-dead approach to politics, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it (but not necessarily here).

You however think this website should publish what you think it should publish. That is to say you are opposed to this website having free speech. I find that objectionable.

I see what you did there. Nice.

esel wrote: »

OP: Do you know the Five Lamps?

The answer, Raiser, is yes. The retort to that is then "Well go hang your bollocks on it". Please respect esel's right to free speech jokes.

Dragan wrote: »

sticklebricks

*reminisces......*

OP: Everyone knows the plural of genius is Genii, LDO.

Bard

Deleted User wrote: »

OP: Everyone knows the plural of genius is Genii, LDO.

The plural of "Genius" is "Geniuses" when it's referring to a person and "Genii" when it's referring to a spirit or character. (Source: DICTIONARY.COM)

When you're correcting someone, at least try to be correct

DeVore

This wasnt a single person making a decision per se because you are free to bring it here, which you have, to have it considered, which I did.

There is no free speech here for a reason. Let me explain:

If we allow what YOU term "free speech", (which equates to there being no moderation as far as I can see) in this case the forum(s) very quickly would clog up with spam, shills, wombats and crap posts about every topic close to someones heart (like VRT and Lisbon for the OP apparently).

The result is that genuine comment and discussion is dilluted until it dips below a critical mass, (this is the same critical mass that is required to get a forum off the ground, I cant tell you what that is precisely but I've seen it happen so many times I have come to depend on it, incidentally this is why we require a show of support for the use of a new forum).

Now, once the signal-noise ratio dips below this critical mass, the usefulness of the platform nose-dives because no one would bother reading it. As a result the general public have lost a platform for genuine "free speech" and so we are lessened as a society in those terms.

Hence, what you claim as "free speech" is actually a sizeable step towards a reduction in genuine speech.

DeV.

Bard

Bard wrote: »

The plural of "Genius" is "Geniuses" when it's referring to a person and "Genii" when it's referring to a spirit or character. (Source: DICTIONARY.COM)

When you're correcting someone, at least try to be correct

I thought my blatant sarcasm would be obvious to everyone..........the LDO....the smiley face........n'est pas?

Tigger

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought my blatant sarcasm would be obvious to everyone..........the LDO....the smiley face........n'est pas?

it was obvious

Talliesin

javaboy wrote: »

I like this interpretation. It should be used to counter future whingers.

I just try to find different ways of phrasing that exact same concept each time.

People really aren't very good at understanding what "Free Speech" means. It'd be lovely to get into say Classical vs Jeffersonian models of Free Speech, so similar stuff like that but they never manage to deal with Free Speech 101.

Bard

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought my blatant sarcasm would be obvious to everyone..........the LDO....the smiley face........n'est pas?

It would have been more obvious to me if I'd realised what LDO meant and thought "hey that smiley indicates sarcasm and not in fact a smart-arsed 'I'm right, you're wrong' style retort"

... oh, and if I wasn't horribly hung over and in a pedantic mood, that would have helped too...

Ah well, no harm done