new law for boy racers?

masterwriter

Is there a new law coming in for boy racers in July? Do the garda have the equipment to measure the noise? I understood they were testing this equipment but read somewhere they can now measure it. I cannot recall where!

AlmightyCushion

There has been equipment to measure noise levels for years.

masterwriter

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

There has been equipment to measure noise levels for years.

I was told they are testing sound meters to ensure they meet eu specs to provide evidence in court? That be right? What is the limit 74 or 80 db? Thanks

SV

More ignorance from the masses.

Just what's needed :rolleyes:

colm_mcm

also if there's a new law, it's not a law just for boy racers. completely misleading thread title.

Yakult

ClioV6 wrote: »

More ignorance from the masses.

Just what's needed :rolleyes:

+1 :rolleyes:

masterwriter

colm_mcm wrote: »

also if there's a new law, it's not a law just for boy racers. completely misleading thread title.

did you see the ? at the end it is not about your precious L plates that ye all know so much about

SV

masterwriter wrote: »

did you see the ? at the end it is not about your precious L plates that ye all know so much about

What defines a boy racer?

masterwriter

ClioV6 wrote: »

What defines a boy racer?

if you cannot answer without your so superior manner dont bother can find out else where

Atomic Pineapple

Theres a bit of confusion here, the Eu was meant to bring in a european wide law regarding exhaust noise and the way to measure it, currently its just up to the gardai as to what is too noisy theres no actual noise limit, they can say 50db is too high and do you for it if they want.

The eu law is meant to make the gardai use meters to read the noise of an exhaust and the way they have to do it, ie it has to be so far back from the exhaust and has to be revved to such a level.

I haven't seen anything official on it though it just seems to be hearsay and the like, I cant find any official documentation to see exactly what it involves.

And I read somewhere that Porsche and Tvr manufactor there exhausts to a 106 DB reading so the Eu law will be based around this, again nothing offical on it, most performance exhausts are around 90 - 100DB. 85DB is the same as a normal conversation at 5 metres so its a bit low for an exhaust but I've also heard this level mentioned as it seems to be what the gardai go by now

Max_Damage

ClioV6 wrote: »

What defines a boy racer?

I hate when people ask this stupid question. You know exactly what the stereotype of a 'boy racer' is.

SV

Max_Damage wrote: »

I hate when people ask this stupid question. You know exactly what the stereotype of a 'boy racer' is.

No I don't.
I've been called a boy racer a LOT and this is from people who have just seen me drive. My cars aren't loud, I don't speed around in them, I don't have music up loud with the windows down, they're modified tastefully, that's it.

IF that's what a "boy racer" is(which I hope to god it isn't because ye seem to look very much down on them) then..Why the targetting?

masterwriter wrote: »

if you cannot answer without your so superior manner dont bother can find out else where

So ya don't know then. That's grand.

masterwriter

Hi draffodx
Had unsubscribed from this but got your reply in email. Thanks for your reply

draffodx wrote: »

Theres a bit of confusion here, the Eu was meant to bring in a european wide law regarding exhaust noise and the way to measure it, currently its just up to the gardai as to what is too noisy theres no actual noise limit, they can say 50db is too high and do you for it if they want.

The eu law is meant to make the gardai use meters to read the noise of an exhaust and the way they have to do it, ie it has to be so far back from the exhaust and has to be revved to such a level.

but the law was not brought in?

I haven't seen anything official on it though it just seems to be hearsay and the like, I cant find any official documentation to see exactly what it involves

.I have a letter = dated Jan 08-from the garda saying they are currently reviewing sound meters to ensure they meet eu specs and provide technical evidence for court

And I read somewhere that Porsche and Tvr manufactor there exhausts to a 106 DB reading so the Eu law will be based around this, again nothing offical on it, most performance exhausts are around 90 - 100DB. 85DB is the same as a normal conversation at 5 metres so its a bit low for an exhaust but I've also heard this level mentioned as it seems to be what the gardai go by now

In the article at http://www.enniscorthyecho.ie/news/story/?trs=cwidqlojcw&cat=news it says 74 db

if one can be heard across town how loud might it be. thanks

Traumadoc

I dont understand why some people have such a thing against young males with cars. I think if they were on BMX bikes or skateboards you would still have a go at them, the noise from a modified car is less than that of a large truck, I dont hear people ( mostly middle aged men) giving out about truckers, or other middle aged men on Harleys ( just as noisy).

colm_mcm

masterwriter wrote: »

did you see the ? at the end it is not about your precious L plates that ye all know so much about

I saw the question mark alright, I also read your original post, pity you didn't read mine, or put some thought into your reply.

Atomic Pineapple

I have no idea whether the law has been passed yet or not, I tried reading through the acts but found it very confusing and worded in such a manner as to confuse as to what it actually meant, such as I found and 85DB level for bikes but nothing for cars, 74DB would be extremely low as the chart below shows thats lower than a telephone dial!

Noise Levels wrote:

Weakest sound heard 0dB
Whisper Quiet Library 30dB
Normal conversation (3-5') 60-70dB
Telephone dial tone 80dB
City Traffic (inside car) 85dB
Train whistle at 500', Truck Traffic 90dB
Subway train at 200' 95dB
Level at which sustained exposure may result in hearing loss 90 - 95dB
Power mower at 3' 107dB
Snowmobile, Motorcycle 100dB
Power saw at 3' 110dB
Sandblasting, Loud Rock Concert 115dB
Pain begins 125dB
Pneumatic riveter at 4' 125dB
Even short term exposure can cause permanent damage - Loudest recommended exposure WITH hearing protection 140dB
Jet engine at 100', Gun Blast 140dB
Death of hearing tissue 180dB
Loudest sound possible 194dB

I have the standard exhaust and I'd say its around 85DB and its grand, I never have earaches or any passengers or neighbours or anything complain about it. As has been said most performance exhausts are around 95 - 100DB which is around the same as a truck, I think the problem stems more from muppets driving up and down the small towns in ireland constantly annoying residents with loud exhausts

masterwriter

draffodx wrote: »

I think the problem stems more from muppets driving up and down the small towns in ireland constantly annoying residents with loud exhausts

I imagine so I have nothing against car enthusiasts. Thanks for reply

peasant

I don't know anything about EU laws existing or proposed, but in Germany the factory noise level of the factory exhaust (both noise at idle as in passing at a set distance) has been part of the vehicle paperwork for decades.

And so have decibel meters in police cars.

If they think your exhaust is too loud, they go and measure, compare with the vehicle data ....and it either is or isn't.

Ian Beale

ClioV6 wrote: »

What defines a boy racer?

Hmm if you see one of these
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8302/car20ft.jpg

being driven by one of these
http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1043429-The_Finglas_Bicycle-Dublin.jpg

I think thats a good definition of a boy racer.

SV

Ian Beale wrote: »

Hmm if you see one of these
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8302/car20ft.jpg

being driven by one of these
http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1043429-The_Finglas_Bicycle-Dublin.jpg

I think thats a good definition of a boy racer.

So if I see a modified Nova being drove by a skater type guy..that's a boy racer?

String

woman racers and old men racers in their 4x4s and SUV's are the problem!

Ian Beale

ClioV6 wrote: »

So if I see a modified Nova being drove by a skater type guy..that's a boy racer?

Pretty much except listen for a really loud exhaust,it sounds like its going 150 mph but it'll only be doing about 30 and the cars would be a bit tackier then the one in that picture.

Oh I found an instruction video for becoming a boy racer very informative,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKCXh7o0DqQ

Bearcat

The Gardai are on a sticky wicket here.....a modern day aston at full tilt will produce a rasp/growl well over 100db.

Interesting.

astraboy

I love rash, uninformed generalizations about people and their behaviour on the road based on what they drive. Because everyone driving a car with a spoiler or loud exhaust needs to be put down as a menace to society and a danger to public health:rolleyes:. And all those people driving jeeps, well they are planet destroying clowns who need to be put down too. And lets get onto women drivers....:rolleyes:

I would agree with a reasonable DB limit, but I could see it being abused by the cops if the measurement procedure was not properly outlined and always followed. Anyone modifying their exhaust does not make them a public nuisance, however we are all aware of the people screaming up and down towns each night waking people and this needs to be stopped. A bit of reason goes a long way.....

Atomic Pineapple

Bearcat wrote: »

The Gardai are on a sticky wicket here.....a modern day aston at full tilt will produce a rasp/growl well over 100db.

Interesting.

it isn't measured at full tilt it's measured at light revs something around 2k i reckon

Atomic Pineapple

astraboy wrote: »

however we are all aware of the people screaming up and down towns each night waking people and this needs to be stopped. A bit of reason goes a long way.....

its a joke in the town nearest to me theres aboout twenty cars that drive up and down the town constantly, one red corolla has an unreal loud exhaust, its louder at about 1k revs than my integra is when it engages vtec!

there a disgrace to proper car enthusiasts and taint people who actually take pride in there cars and yet the gardai do nothing about them, they should be told to get out of the town and stop being a nuisance

Bearcat

draffodx wrote: »

it isn't measured at full tilt it's measured at light revs something around 2k i reckon

phew....have a 930 with a fabspeed box....its sporty as you plant it but mid range it just growls slightly...nothing to annoy the masses.

Have to say and I respect all petrol heads...the dustbins though on the back of civic types are very very noisey and from the forum I think our finest are zoning in on these machines.

Atomic Pineapple

Bearcat wrote: »

phew....have a 930 with a fabspeed box....its sporty as you plant it but mid range it just growls slightly...nothing to annoy the masses.

Have to say and I respect all petrol heads...the dustbins though on the back of civic types are very very noisey and from the forum I think our finest are zoning in on these machines.

hopefully, i drive a honda integra type r and have kept the exhaust as quiet as possible, Its a proper performance car so it has that bit of noise but I see 1.4 civics and corollas and the likes with mad backboxes on them and the noise is even greater than from my car, I'm sick and tired of them as much as anyone else

cancan

Well I am going putting a straight through catless pipe on my motor as I care about blind people.

All ye hippies kill blind people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/10/15/eco.hybrid.blind/index.html

Do the decent thing and help out a much maligned minority.

Steve

draffodx wrote: »

I haven't seen anything official on it though it just seems to be hearsay and the like, I cant find any official documentation to see exactly what it involves.

Therein lies the problem - as usual, this is all scaremongering. AFAIK there are no noise limits defined in current legislation.

Part of the problem is that most 'loud' exhausts aren't actually any louder than a CIE bus or an artic - do we ban these as well?

rebel.ranter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_racer_%28sub-culture%29


http://www.boyracerguide.co.uk/guide

http://www.boyracerguide.co.uk/guide.php#boyracer

Just thought it might be worth throwing up.

NiSmO

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Neil_Sedaka

stevec wrote: »

Part of the problem is that most 'loud' exhausts aren't actually any louder than a CIE bus or an artic - do we ban these as well?

I can't say that I've ever heard a bus or an truck from an adjoining housing estate (unless perhaps, in the dead of night)
But I sure as sh1t hear a lot of loud "modified" cars!

mikemac

The loudest thing on my road is weedy, slow, little hairdryer moped.

Oh wait, that's me! :cool:
I see the curtains twitching as I start it sometimes

S.I.R

masterwriter wrote: »

Is there a new law coming in for boy racers in July? Do the garda have the equipment to measure the noise? I understood they were testing this equipment but read somewhere they can now measure it. I cannot recall where!

Yes, Irish law is basically following what the british done...

yop

draffodx wrote: »

its a joke in the town nearest to me theres aboout twenty cars that drive up and down the town constantly, one red corolla has an unreal loud exhaust, its louder at about 1k revs than my integra is when it engages vtec!

there a disgrace to proper car enthusiasts and taint people who actually take pride in there cars and yet the gardai do nothing about them, they should be told to get out of the town and stop being a nuisance

Excellent post, thats my opinion also, its a shame that a few apes in modified prams who piss people off with roaring exhausts and stupid burn offs in residental areas.
They ruin it for true car people who have "real" sports cars.

Slig

Its just another example of something the Gardai can pull on you at a checkpoint. Unless there is a hefty fine involved or the superintendants daughter lives in your housing estate there will never be any enforcement.
I have seen boy racers/modified car enthuasiests being pulled over before by cops on a personal mission getting read the riot act whether they did anything wrong or not, its just something else to add to the list.

galwaytt

interesting points, all, but before the Powers That Be get all excited, they need to bear in mind......
Declared noise level on new cars is not by dint of standing outside the factory door with a hand held sound meter bought in Maplins for 19.99 and hoping it doesn't go past XXdB. And that is all hand held meters can do.

I'd be more au-fait with noise tests for motorcycles, but cars won't differ too much. Ostensibly, motorcycle exhausts have different legal requirements, depending on engine size. Also, the EU test mandates that the test be carried out with a (calibrated!) sound meter, at a distance of (iirc) 7.5m to one SIDE of the machine (not the rear.....), and the motorcycle must be flat out/above a certain rpm, in 2nd. Now, given that flat out in 2nd on most sports bikes these days sees you above the (artist formally known as..) National limit, let alone any urban one, will the GTC be investing in a proving ground - acoustically isolated, of course - or be renting Mondello and paying your expenses to travel there and turn up for your sound test? Or will they just close the main road through Phoenix Park once a week to allow us tear up and down............to test our pipes? Enquiring Minds Want to Know !

The whole thing is nonsense, of course. Because the EU also allows for whether the gearbox is manual or automatic, and whether the engine is two-stroke or four-stroke. My RGV250K, for instance, a 250cc v-twin two stroke has a spine tingling buzz at about.............11k rpm. I love it, but a lot of people, probably, don't. My H-D, though, at tickover, sounds like the impending End of the World, and most people do love it. However, the RGV is 100% legal. The H-D.........well, not quite

So, at the side of the road your sound-meter wielding GTC guy might hate my RGV, and it's the one that drives the neighbours nuts (2-stroke, remember........)........but he can't do anything about it. On the H-D he'll probably just stop me to admire the bike (has happened, btw......).

So where does that leave us ?

G-Money

I hate that crap too. These pricks driving around with their loud exhausts. I guess the only solution is to take a jackhammer and start drilling outside their house first thing in the morning and continue to do so for 3-4 hours. Making sure first of all you have used the jackhammer on their car.

Turnaround is fair play

Actually come to think of it. If these "modified" exhausts are breaking noise regulations, why is it legal to sell them in the first place? I mean if they are always going to break noise regulations no matter how they are used, why should they be permitted in the first place? Admittedly I don't know much about cars and stuff but to me a 2 pronged approach would be better - ban the sale of them and ban the use.

smash

These kind of laws are rubbish... I bet they wont be making Ferrari owners or fat blokes on Harley Davidsons get their exhausts changed.

Atomic Pineapple

Neil_Sedaka wrote: »

I can't say that I've ever heard a bus or an truck from an adjoining housing estate (unless perhaps, in the dead of night)
But I sure as sh1t hear a lot of loud "modified" cars!

This is the problem but the gardai dont tackle it properly, they just set up a checkpoint out of town and catch one or two of the muppets while also annoying the head of anyone that happens to come along in a proper performance car but doesn't drive up and town residental areas constantly, trying to impress 16 year old girls!

S.I.R wrote: »

Yes, Irish law is basically following what the british done...

no its not the law in Ireland as it stands completely leaves it up to the gardai as to what is not an acceptable noise limit, there are no guidlines or regulations for it and the new law is from the european union, nothing to do with the british law which currently says the ploice must use decibel meters anyway

grandmaster wrote: »

Actually come to think of it. If these "modified" exhausts are breaking noise regulations, why is it legal to sell them in the first place? I mean if they are always going to break noise regulations no matter how they are used, why should they be permitted in the first place? Admittedly I don't know much about cars and stuff but to me a 2 pronged approach would be better - ban the sale of them and ban the use.

They are for sale because you can use them as performance parts if your building a track car to use for yourself, most of them say on the box not for public use only for track use, I think it would be unfair to ban after market products for people that use them properly, its 17 - 20 year old idiots that stick 3- 4 inch backboxes on 1.4 civics and corollas and clios and focus's thats the problem.

steve06 wrote: »

These kind of laws are rubbish... I bet they wont be making Ferrari owners or fat blokes on Harley Davidsons get their exhausts changed.

The only way it will work is if the gardai target properly, set up and measuring checkpoint in the towns or residental areas affected on a fri/sat/sun night and they'll get every single muppet from around, fine them and give them penalty points, if there at the same thing again a month later impound the car.

The thing with this is I drive a performance car and I'd be worried I'd be targeted because of this, my exhaust is standard and doesn't make that much noise and i only go into the town to get something dont drive up and down making a nuisance of myself but the good old gardai are that narrow minded that you'd never know how they'd use there powers

NullZer0

Coming from the typical stereotype of a boy racer and my opinion -

You are not a boy racer if you drive a Clio V6!

Slig

iRock wrote: »

Coming from the typical stereotype of a boy racer and my opinion -

You are not a boy racer if you drive a Clio V6!

who said you were?
Why is every time somebody mentions Boy Racers all the "modified car enthuasiests" get their panties in a twist trying to distance themselves and convince us they are completey different things.
Keep on topic because nobody cares.

String

Will noisy cars that are factory be allowed?

E92

NiSmO wrote: »

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+1. We should be glad that cars can be loud. What's the point in having a V8 or V10 if nobody can hear the glorious noise it can make? Personally, I want to hear an M5 or S5 or whatever fly by and hear that engine working hard. You're never going to be able to use the considerable performance on offer from any of these machines, but at least you can in theory hear these engines in action. What's the point in paying for the running costs of anything more than 4 cylinders if you don't get a good soundtrack in return?

I constantly bemoan the way BMW and Volvo have quietened down their 6 and 5 cylinder petrols respectively so much in recent times.

Both used to sound fantastic and could easily be heard easily if somebody drove by you. Now you can only hear that lovely sound if you're inside the car. 5 pot Volvos actually sound indistinguishable from the outside to 4 pot Volvos. When there were more and more S70/V70/850s around the place you could hear them miles away and that lovely 5 pot warble accompanying them too. Similarly you always knew when a 6 pot BMW was on the scene and that glorious 6 cylinder noise that came with it. The E34 used to let people know you were coming about 5 mins before you actually did. The E28 and E30 were better still. Now that noise is only audible when you're right next to one or in one:(.

Car makers should be trying to promote these type of engines, which make noises worth hearing, in stark contrast to the tin cans in the back of a 1.0 Corsa or 1.1 Fiesta or whatever.