Who is the biggest heel/face in WWE at present?

JP Liz · 27-06-2008 10:55am #1

So who do you think is the biggest face and heel in WWE at present???????

From the whole roster (RAW/SD/ECW) i think Jeff Hardy is the biggest face (i think he gets even bigger pops than Cena/Rey/HBK and HHH) and Edge the biggest heel (Edge plays the heel so well)

chopperbyrne · 27-06-2008 10:57am

Vicky is the biggest heel.

Edge is the biggest heel wrestler.

Hunter is the biggest face.

rovert · 27-06-2008 10:59am

Biggest?

JP Liz · 27-06-2008 11:01am

rovert wrote: »

Biggest?

I dont mean in size i mean in crowd reactions

chopperbyrne · 27-06-2008 11:02am

rovert wrote: »

Biggest?

Now that's just nitpicking for the sake of it.

rovert · 27-06-2008 11:10am

JP Liz wrote: »

I dont mean in size i mean in crowd reactions

How many live shows do you go to JP Liz?

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Now that's just nitpicking for the sake of it.

Is not nitpicking the biggest in what aspect? What measure are we using?

Dancor · 27-06-2008 11:14am

rovert wrote: »

Biggest?

Asshole, you win.

Cactus Col · 27-06-2008 11:20am

Vickie seems to be the biggest heel at the moment.
And certainly in my eyes she's great.

Biggest Face is much harder to say though. I don't think there's anybody particularily exciting on smackdown. Will have to see how the draft affects things.

Fozzy · 27-06-2008 11:23am

To me, HHH would be the biggest face and Edge the biggest heel. They're the ones in the big matches. But the best face and heel would be either Jeff or Shawn and Orton. But if Vickie's included then she's the best heel

rovert · 27-06-2008 11:47am

dancor wrote: »

Asshole, you win.

How am I an asshole? What measure we are using wasnt made clear in the original post. He could have been referring to the biggest house show draw, ratings draw or PPV draw. Even a combination of all three.

chopperbyrne · 27-06-2008 11:49am

rovert wrote: »

How am I an asshole? What measure we are using wasnt made clear in the original post. He could have been referring to the biggest house show draw, ratings draw or PPV draw. Even a combination of all three.

Eh I think that Liz is probably a she, not a he!

JP Liz · 27-06-2008 11:59am

rovert wrote: »

How am I an asshole? What measure we are using wasnt made clear in the original post. He could have been referring to the biggest house show draw, ratings draw or PPV draw. Even a combination of all three.

I'm a she

I think asking using the words heel and face should tell you what i'm asking

DRakE · 27-06-2008 3:35pm

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Now that's just nitpicking for the sake of it.

/nod

rovert · 27-06-2008 5:22pm

JP Liz wrote: »

I'm a she

I think asking using the words heel and face should tell you what i'm asking

God how do you measure who is the biggest face and heel then?

Fozzy · 27-06-2008 5:36pm

rovert wrote: »

God how do you measure who is the biggest face and heel then?

I think she's just asking who you think are the best at it

rovert · 27-06-2008 5:48pm

Fozzy wrote: »

I think she's just asking who you think are the best at it

No she asked for the biggest

Machismo Fan · 27-06-2008 5:54pm

rovert, how come your the only one to take an issue on this?

As for biggest face or heel, heel has got to be Edge, the man is an awesome heel though do WWE have any other big heels besides Orton, whos injured and Jericho? I would give face to Hardy even though it seems his pop has decreased since January, it might be his new music.

Fozzy · 27-06-2008 5:59pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

rovert, how come your the only one to take an issue on this?

I kinda did too. I mean, aren't HHH and Edge the biggest face and heel because they're the ones in the main events and portrayed as the most important guys at the moment? There's not much debate to be had there

Machismo Fan · 27-06-2008 6:06pm

Though what WWE portray and what people think may be two very different things but I do get your point, there ain't that much to debate, mainly between HHH, HBK and Jeff and Edge is hands down winner in the heel category.

Handsome Bob · 27-06-2008 6:08pm

I'll measure this by who I think consistently and effectively engage with the crowd.

Faces: Shawn Michaels/ HHH

Heel: Edge (honourable mention goes to his "other half", Vickie Guerrero)

I'll also throw out who I think can potentially become the biggest heel/ face. These two superstars are naturals when it comes to the microphone, but they haven't hit that consistent level just yet of working the crowd and enthralling them.

Face: Ken Kennedy

Heel: MVP

rovert · 27-06-2008 6:09pm

Fozzy wrote: »

I kinda did too. I mean, aren't HHH and Edge the biggest face and heel because they're the ones in the main events and portrayed as the most important guys at the moment? There's not much debate to be had there

There is, ratings are down.

Machismo Fan · 27-06-2008 6:12pm

What do you mean, do you think that those stars on top are currently responsible for the ratings drop?

Handsome Bob · 27-06-2008 6:16pm

rovert wrote: »

There is, ratings are down.

Besides for the odd week, the ratings haven't really flucuated badly, they are basically around the 3+ mark in America. The ratings have been ok to average for years, it isn't a recent thing. Where they much better when Batista was the top dog on Sd and Cena the top dog on Raw?

Vince135792003 · 27-06-2008 6:26pm

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Besides for the odd week, the ratings haven't really flucuated badly, they are basically around the 3+ mark in America. The ratings have been ok to average for years, it isn't a recent thing. Where they much better when Batista was the top dog on Sd and Cena the top dog on Raw?

http://100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/pages/wwf/wwfraw.htm

Over the last few months there's been a clear drop, even if you include people that record it. Nothing incredibly serious but it was enough of an issue for Vince McMahon to decide to give large sums of money away throughout his tv show for the last 3 weeks.

For example, this time last year Raw had broken 4.0 or better 10 times. This year not taking into account the 8-10 per cent that record the show, it's broken 4.0 once.

Fozzy · 27-06-2008 6:27pm

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Besides for the odd week, the ratings haven't really flucuated badly, they are basically around the 3+ mark in America. The ratings have been ok to average for years, it isn't a recent thing. Where they much better when Batista was the top dog on Sd and Cena the top dog on Raw?

Yes. They haven't done over a 3.3 on Raw since HHH became champion and they didn't do below a 3.3 while Cena was champion, apart from certain exceptions

I'm not sure if the ratings were that much higher for Smackdown

Handsome Bob · 27-06-2008 6:43pm

I can't say that I'm surprised at what you guys are saying about the ratings on Raw. The ME was incredibly stale. But now with the very pleasantly surprising shake up of both SD and Raw by the draft I will go out on a limb and say ratings will steadily improve.

rovert · 27-06-2008 7:51pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

What do you mean, do you think that those stars on top are currently responsible for the ratings drop?

Yes

Machismo Fan · 27-06-2008 7:52pm

Why?

rovert · 27-06-2008 7:59pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Why?

As Main eventers are supposed to be the biggest draws.

Machismo Fan · 27-06-2008 8:26pm

I haven't seen any problem with the performances of any of the WWEs top liners with the exception of being lazy on TV, which is probably the overall problem.

rovert · 27-06-2008 9:38pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

I haven't seen any problem with the performances of any of the WWEs top liners with the exception of being lazy on TV, which is probably the overall problem.

Hmm lazyness.

Anyway not to burst anyones bubble but Cena is the number one face and Edge is the number one heel is Edge given ratings over the past two weeks. As pointed out rating by others have decreased under HHH's reign on Raw while ratings have decreased om Smackdown during Rey Mysterio's departure as ir had a dramatic effect on Smackdown's rating in general and among Hispanics which has or is overtaking all other ethicities in the America. While HHH/Jericho the previous was an EPIC FAIL considering they didnt wrestle in like 4 or 5 years.

Handsome Bob · 28-06-2008 10:39am

rovert wrote: »

Hmm lazyness.

Anyway not to burst anyones bubble but Cena is the number one face and Edge is the number one heel is Edge given ratings over the past two weeks. As pointed out rating by others have decreased under HHH's reign on Raw while ratings have decreased om Smackdown during Rey Mysterio's departure as ir had a dramatic effect on Smackdown's rating in general and among Hispanics which has or is overtaking all other ethicities in the America. While HHH/Jericho the previous was an EPIC FAIL considering they didnt wrestle in like 4 or 5 years.

I remember bringing this up once before and I remember that it was dismissed by some posters. Not saying it was you or anything........but it is certainly true that hispanics play a big role in the demograph that watches SD. It is not a coincidence that ratings have gone down since Mysterio has been injured and that SD went into somewhat disarray when Eddie Guerrero died.

ShawnRaven · 28-06-2008 12:00pm

I remember debating this with someone as well, and i'll still say that it's not the sole reason that ratings on SD have decreased. It might play a part in it, but at the end of the day, the talent roster on SD was utter crap anyway that all you have to do is tune in for the first minute, see that it's Undertaker v Batista or Batista v Edge for the 6th week in a row and change the channel and watch CFL or something!

Not all of the US are hispanic., and not all of wrestling fans particularly give a sh*t where the wrestlers are from anyway (after all, Roddy Piper and the Highlanders aren't really Scotish!). So whereas Rey's lack of appearances may help in the decrease in ratings, i honestly don't buy that it's the sole reason. One wrestler never made a company.

VR!

Fozzy · 28-06-2008 12:39pm

If you look at the figures you'll see that the biggest change between Smackdown's rating in late 2007 and their current rating is that there's 30% less Hispanics watching. That amounts to over 200,000 people, which accounts for most of the ratings drop

If you take it that the Hispanics who stopped watching did so because of Rey being injured (which all evidence points towards given the boost in ratings when Rey returned from injury last year), then it's Rey who is the biggest reason for the ratings drop. If the Hispanic audience had stayed the same then there wouldn't be any talk of a "drop" as it wouldn't have been as significant

rovert · 28-06-2008 12:46pm

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I remember bringing this up once before and I remember that it was dismissed by some posters. Not saying it was you or anything........but it is certainly true that hispanics play a big role in the demograph that watches SD. It is not a coincidence that ratings have gone down since Mysterio has been injured and that SD went into somewhat disarray when Eddie Guerrero died.

Source?

Anyway i disagreed with how you phrased you statement about Rey and ratings

rovert · 28-06-2008 12:50pm

validreasoning! wrote: »

I remember debating this with someone as well, and i'll still say that it's not the sole reason that ratings on SD have decreased. It might play a part in it, but at the end of the day, the talent roster on SD was utter crap anyway that all you have to do is tune in for the first minute, see that it's Undertaker v Batista or Batista v Edge for the 6th week in a row and change the channel and watch CFL or something!

Not all of the US are hispanic., and not all of wrestling fans particularly give a sh*t where the wrestlers are from anyway (after all, Roddy Piper and the Highlanders aren't really Scotish!). So whereas Rey's lack of appearances may help in the decrease in ratings, i honestly don't buy that it's the sole reason. One wrestler never made a company.

VR!

Ah there is many inherent reasons for the decrease in ratings but Rey's departure is an easier element to point to that others.

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