Carter Signs For Perpignan

Junior

Looks like they got in there ahead of Toulon - signed on a 6 Month contract

More info in French here http://www.usap.fr/usap-6000.php?CatID=39

Homer

Nice find. Good season for Perpignan next year me feels.

/heads off to bookies to get stoopid odds on perpignan winning heineken cup next season/

toomevara

industria wrote: »

Nice find.

Reckon thats the understatement of the decade!!! 'Nice Find!!' I'll say...

Junior

Wonder what money is he on ?

Stev_o

He's going to the worse team ever they play the worst rugby in Europe its like watching paint dry really signals that Carters in it for the money

toomevara

Stev_o wrote: »

He's going to the worse team ever they play the worst rugby in Europe its like watching paint dry really signals that Carters in it for the money

Over egging it a bit perhaps?..OK, they're no stade francais or Toulouse in terms of their approach, but they can play a bit (you dont finish fourth in the championnat without having something) and to be honest Carter would inject life into any backline, no matter how pedestrian....

Stev_o

toomevara wrote: »

Over egging it a bit perhaps?..OK, they're no stade francais or Toulouse in terms of their approach, but they can play a bit (you dont finish fourth in the championnat without having something) and to be honest Carter would inject life into any backline, no matter how pedestrian....

Ah here toomevara you must have seen their HC pool games and knockout they were beyond poor with what they could do with ball in hand is all through the forwards sort of stuff it was dire

toomevara

Stev_o wrote: »

Ah here toomevara you must have seen their HC pool games and knockout they were beyond poor with what they could do with ball in hand is all through the forwards sort of stuff it was dire

point...can't disagree with any of that,looked like they couldn't be arsed with the HC, must have played a bit in the championship though...maybe Carter I'll smarten 'em up a bit...

Stev_o

toomevara wrote: »

point...can't disagree with any of that,looked like they couldn't be arsed with the HC, must have played a bit in the championship though...maybe Carter I'll smarten 'em up a bit...

I dunno i havent heard much about them in the Top14 only what i saw in the semi final in which they were made looked like a bunch of amateurs. I think they just went through the season with the bulldozer ever one elses pack and take 3 points or a try here or there. Between them and Biarritz they play the worse rugby in France and are a embarrassing to watch alot of the time.

nameandanumber

This a total waste of Carters' European contract.

Perpignan?!?! For Christs sake...

toomevara wrote: »

...but they can play a bit...

That sums it up right there. One of the best number 10s in the world goes to a club that 'can play a bit'?!

Stev_o wrote: »

...really signals that Carters in it for the money...

It's a modern, professional sport so we have to agree that most players are in it for the cash but it's horrible to see it in such stark reality.

taidghbaby

Junior wrote: »

Wonder what money is he on ?

EURO.....sorry my inner child is awake!!!

but i'd be presuming its a lot!!

toomevara

taidghbaby wrote: »

EURO.....sorry my inner child is awake!!!

but i'd be presuming its a lot!!

£500,000 for 7 months work according to todays UK Guardian.

taidghbaby

toomevara wrote: »

£500,000 for 7 months work according to todays UK Guardian.

good work...........if ya can get it!!

il gatto

He was headed for Toulon, but they're not in the HEC and Perp are. He said he wanted to play in the HEC so I suppose after he decided he wanted the money, that was the next criteria.

ssmith6287

id have ogara and contapomi over him any day. hes so overrated its not funny. Question: have you ever seen him on the backfoot? I did twice, and he was absolutly rubbish eg vs france in world cup and against aus in tri nations. he gets so much praise for his kickeing and ball skills, nobody seems to notice how much time he has....just think about it. I can see pepignan gettin over excited. tolouse with michelak back at the helm will win it next year

Stev_o

Tenner bets he's going to be impaled by some Top14 player trying to make a name for himself

Snickers Man

I imagine that if Eamon Dunphy was a rugby correspondent, Carter would occupy a similar place in his affections as Christiano Ronaldo does now. A sunshine boy who looks flash against weak opposition but goes missing when he's really needed.

Having said which, the little fecker is just so talented that he can usually pull something out of the bag when necessary. Look at the All Blacks Ireland match a few weeks ago. He was muck for about 79 minutes. His kicking was skaways and he wasn't doing much else.

But then he makes one break which cuts Ireland open and from the advantageous position, New Zealand scores the winning try. Old timers, ie those even older than me, assure me that Jack Kyle operated in a similar fashion. Bided his time until the right moment and then killed you.

il gatto

I would take O'Gara any day ahead of Carter. A few seconds of brilliance does not make up for being out of the game or completely ineffectual for the rest of the match. Whose to say with a fly half who was involved for 80 minutes that the ABs wouldn't have hammered us out of sight. I can't see him propelling Perpignan anywhere spectacular next season.

Stev_o

il gatto wrote: »

I would take O'Gara any day ahead of Carter. A few seconds of brilliance does not make up for being out of the game or completely ineffectual for the rest of the match. Whose to say with a fly half who was involved for 80 minutes that the ABs wouldn't have hammered us out of sight. I can't see him propelling Perpignan anywhere spectacular next season.

Bit ironic that you'd take O'Gara who didnt show even a second of brilliance during the world cup over Carter.

If it was so easy for any fly half to do what Carter does why doesnt New Zealand have a whole line of them ready to take over? Why did they offer him a 6 month stunt to make money and then to come back and never leave again.
Saying that he's nothing great and is being given a free ride is incredibly stupid thing to say

Palmy

il gatto

Your having a laugh:pac: mate if you think O'gara is better than Carter, O'gara was class but blows hot and cold,Carter has one bad day and people write him off.you obviously didn't watch the super 14.What he is going to earn for six months would be the same money in NZD dollars he would get for super 14,playing for the All blacks and promotions for the year.Hes young at 25 so why not make money while the sun shines.:cool:

il gatto

I never said he got a free ride, and he's up there with the best, but he's not the complete fly half by any stretch. He blows hot and cold in the Super 14. O'Gara can control a match in a way Carter can't.
His biggest strenght is his marketability. He's worth a fortune in shirt sales and ticket sales. He's not worth that money performance-wise (no player is). That's why NZ want him back quick too.
I don't think he's consistant, I don't think he kicks from the hand as well as O'Gara. He has different things he brings to the game (passing, line breaks). I never said he's not a good player, but if it was my money, I'd be spending it elsewhere.

ssmith6287

simple arguement lads have ye seen him produce anything on the back foot. now i watch new zealand and super 14 the whole time, and its very rare that NZ or Crusaders pack gets dominated but when they do where is Carter, no one knows. Without a doubt hes a class act when given time and space. but I guarentee if he was Irish behind the Irish pack hed be second choice to OGara, also I think Felipe is the best fly half.

[Jackass]

This kind of comes back to what your man Knox was on about when comparing O'Gara with Carter.

Personaly, I think Carter and Wilkinson (when he was fit..if he will ever regain 2003 fitness again?) are the best out-halves in the world. I mean they're a level above the rest because they more or less have everything (or as close as we've ever seen).

O'Gara may be a better kicker out of hand than Carter, but I think when you're looking for the all around Out-Half (Place kicking, Kicking out of hand, running threat, defensivley strong, cool under pressure) those 2 guys come the closest.

I mean a non-running out-half, who arguably O'Gara would be, instantly puts the rest of your backline under pressure as a flanker can do a job on that channell where as the rest of the defence can drift and know every time he's going to pass or kick (which FB will cover anyway) and then the backs have a lot less room to use and makes life a lot more difficult.

Also, a weak defensive Out-Half (which arguably O'Gara is) in the same vein, puts a lot more pressure on your defence. If you're covering the 10 Channell, you're line has to keep more narrow for the 7 and 12 to be able to cover either side (or remember Trimble in the world cup vs France? Stupidly drifted inside early to cover 10 channell, then French walk in on blind?) this means that quick ball out the line will make it more difficult for the backs to cover gaps in the middle or out wide, depending on what way they choose to cover. Especially if the 10 Channell is taken on early and 12 is wrapped up in it too.

O'Gara is a top class out half, but he does have very tangebale weaknesses which the other guys don't. (imho)

Same with Contepomi, while he has the running (& creative unpredictability) threat and defence, he wouldn't be as good as O'Gara at game control, prob wouldn't be as good as O'Garas goal kicking % success rate and is not as good as O'Gara under pressure.

It's horses for courses I suppose (to quote Eddie), but I don't think any Out-Half is top of his field in all of the above attributes, I think the likes of Carter and Wilkinson are head and shoulders above the rest.

ssmith6287

[Jackass] wrote: »

This kind of comes back to what your man Knox was on about when comparing O'Gara with Carter.

Personaly, I think Carter and Wilkinson (when he was fit..if he will ever regain 2003 fitness again?) are the best out-halves in the world. I mean they're a level above the rest because they more or less have everything (or as close as we've ever seen).

O'Gara may be a better kicker out of hand than Carter, but I think when you're looking for the all around Out-Half (Place kicking, Kicking out of hand, running threat, defensivley strong, cool under pressure) those 2 guys come the closest.

I mean a non-running out-half, who arguably O'Gara would be, instantly puts the rest of your backline under pressure as a flanker can do a job on that channell where as the rest of the defence can drift and know every time he's going to pass or kick (which FB will cover anyway) and then the backs have a lot less room to use and makes life a lot more difficult.

Also, a weak defensive Out-Half (which arguably O'Gara is) in the same vein, puts a lot more pressure on your defence. If you're covering the 10 Channell, you're line has to keep more narrow for the 7 and 12 to be able to cover either side (or remember Trimble in the world cup vs France? Stupidly drifted inside early to cover 10 channell, then French walk in on blind?) this means that quick ball out the line will make it more difficult for the backs to cover gaps in the middle or out wide, depending on what way they choose to cover. Especially if the 10 Channell is taken on early and 12 is wrapped up in it too.

O'Gara is a top class out half, but he does have very tangebale weaknesses which the other guys don't. (imho)

Same with Contepomi, while he has the running (& creative unpredictability) threat and defence, he wouldn't be as good as O'Gara at game control, prob wouldn't be as good as O'Garas goal kicking % success rate and is not as good as O'Gara under pressure.

It's horses for courses I suppose (to quote Eddie), but I don't think any Out-Half is top of his field in all of the above attributes, I think the likes of Carter and Wilkinson are head and shoulders above the rest.

i know where yer coming from but yet again yer saying wilko is the best, We seen him at his best in 2003 and yet again in the semi vs australia in 07, what did them 2 teams have in common, total domination up front. No doubt hes a great points scorer but he has the creativity of a blind chimp. eg when ireland put his pack under preassure in croker where was he, and if you ever see him playing for newcastle hes nowhere. I dont know how ye can say Rog isnt a running flyhalf, fair enough all he used to do was kick, but how can the top tryscorers of the 2007 6 nations achieve that feat with a flyhalf that just kicks. It should be interesting to see how Carter fairs without the protection of mccaw for the tri nations

anonymous_joe

The point about Wilkinson is valid though. No single outhalf has been the complete package ever. He in '03 and Carter come closest.

O'Gara is a good outhalf, but he's ridiculously easy to shut down by bashing down the 10 channel towards him, and he remains a defensive liability. Not his fault, but that's the long and the short of it.

As for Carter, he's been offered HC rugby and a lot of money. Can you blame him for taking it?

ssmith6287

fair play to the lad, id do the same like, but what im getting at is. Ive seen Rog play well when the pack was getting beaten up, Ive seen him play excellent when the pack dominates. Same for contepomi. Ive never seen carter play well when his pack gets dominated. obviously theyre 2 different style of fly half but a good example to prove my point, Butch James. Looked like a very good player in the world cup behind arguebly the best pack in the world. He moves to the premiership and whoopsie whats goin on. Its hard to explain and it will never be able to be justified, but I just reckon u put OGara behind the new zealand or crusaders pack and hed do as much if not more then carter

anonymous_joe

You've just made a good point, but missed out on something.

If you put O'Gara behind the All Black's pack (a full strength one) then no, he would not be as good as Carter for one simple reason - O'Gara cannot exploit the opportunities presented by a talented backline. Good and all as he is, his game has always been based on Munster rugby's approach, i.e., allowing a pack to dominate a game, while using the out-half to control.

He lacks the mentality to seek opportunities to run, and also the desire to bring other backs into play. He's not unable to do these things, it's just never been the tactical plan to which he's played.

Stev_o

But O'Gara is given quality possession by his pack and he has been for years with Munster still done f*ck all with it. He has only now introduced a attacking trait which he's mediocre his strengths are game management and 10 man rugby which suit him down to the core he is not the complete package but he's the best in Ireland and it stops there.

Iv never seen a game in which ROG played and said my god he makes the game look easy where as when you watch Carter even on a bad day he'll do a few things where you go man if thats so easy why havent you been doing it all game.

I mean ffs Carter even out kicked O'Gara on day where he was having a dreadful game and still people think O'Gara is better

ssmith6287

You musnt watch munster that often. 4 times out of 5 the munster pack are outmuscled. It only seems to be a surge in a game or the rolling maul that mnunster are good at. apart from that its intelligence that sets them apart, they know what to do and when to do it. as for the day he out kicked ogara when he was having a bad game, ogara didn have a stormer either. put yourself in his shoes, you look outside you and you see Paddy Wallace and a not fully fit ODriscoll. Would ya be confident. Put yerself in Carters shoes, you have MaNonu (a complete beast) and Conrad Smith (possibly the most intelligent centre in the world) mmmmm inspires a bit more confidence. We seen it when Ireland were at their peak with Darcy and Bod fully fit in the centre, O garra whipped the ball out evry time. and unlocked most backlines which included france, australia, and south africa. So yeah Carter probably is better but id just love to see them swap roles, because evrytime ive seen the nz or crusaders pack not have it their own way, carter just crumbles