Lidl/Tevion Satellite,Working,can only get uk channels

kourous

We had a sky dish set up so I swapped the receiever, thingamajig,
and it works fine,

its reading all channels but for example german channels are
saying no signal, but I can get all uk channels,
cant get french or italian channels either,
but according to website these channels are free to air,
this is happening on both astras,

I have to move the satellite for hotbird and all the rest,

But my question is why am only getting the english half of all the channels available,

can anyone shed a little light on this

byte

You're receiving channels from Astra 2 and Eurobird constellations at 28°East.

The German channels etc are primarly on Astra 1 at 19°East. To receive these, you'd need to move your dish to Astra 1. Similarly, you'd need to move your dish to Hotbird at 13°East for others.

kourous

on my menu I can switch between satellites to see what is available,

both astras are picking up uk channels,

if I understand correctly your saying I am only recieving one of the

astra sats,

how do I know which one I am on if both are showing the same uk channels, to simplifiy, what satelite is sky digital pointed at,as I am using my sky sat,for now

this is a serious downfall if you have to run up a ladder every time you want to change

I read somewhere that some sats dishes can pick up all sats together

is that for big dishes only?

Tony

Astra 1 = German Channels, Astra 2 = UK Channels

dobsdave

kourous wrote: »

on my menu I can switch between satellites to see what is available,

both astras are picking up uk channels,

if I understand correctly your saying I am only recieving one of the

astra sats,

how do I know which one I am on if both are showing the same uk channels, to simplifiy, what satelite is sky digital pointed at,as I am using my sky sat,for now

this is a serious downfall if you have to run up a ladder every time you want to change

I read somewhere that some sats dishes can pick up all sats together

is that for big dishes only?

To switch between satellites, you will need a motorised system.
If its the standard sky setup you have, then you will need some extra equipment aswell as the motor.
The receiver you use must be able to control the motor also.

lugha

I seem to have the opposite problem to kourous. I seem to be able to get heaps of European channels but not the UK ones. I got the Tevion system over a year ago and at that point I could pick up channels only on Astra 28.8 but I could pick up the UK ones. I didn't use the system for months and when I retrieved it I could pick up stuff from pretty much all the different sats but no UK (or for that matter, English speaking) channels on any sat. Anybody got any ideas? Thanks.

Tony

Obviously you are aligned to the wrong satellite

lugha

Thanks Tony. But I am picking up some channels from all the listed satellites. And I don't need to move the dish to get different sats. I would have thought if you can even get one channel from a particular sat then the dish is alligned correctly for that sat. Am I wrong?

Tony

It may appear that you are receiving several satellites but with a single LNB its is physically impossible to receive more than one satellite position ie atra 2 at 28 or astra 1 at 19 degrees (unless you have a motor of course) . Whats happening is that individual transponder frequencies and symbol rate etc are duplicated or very similar on different satellites so that when you do a search you are actually only searching the satellite your dish is pointing at. If you check the channels you are receiving against a list on www.lyngsat.com you will see you are only picking up one satellite position.

lugha wrote: »

Thanks Tony. But I am picking up some channels from all the listed satellites. And I don't need to move the dish to get different sats. I would have thought if you can even get one channel from a particular sat then the dish is alligned correctly for that sat. Am I wrong?

lugha

Thanks again Tony! I moved the dish a bit and got what the channels I wanted. Cheers!

Tony

Glad you got sorted

xocal

Tony wrote: »

It may appear that you are receiving several satellites but with a single LNB its is physically impossible to receive more than one satellite position ie atra 2 at 28 or astra 1 at 19 degrees (unless you have a motor of course) . Whats happening is that individual transponder frequencies and symbol rate etc are duplicated or very similar on different satellites so that when you do a search you are actually only searching the satellite your dish is pointing at. If you check the channels you are receiving against a list on www.lyngsat.com you will see you are only picking up one satellite position.

I don't understand this, as I am in same situation as Lugha, in that, when I go into TP Scan and check through the satellites I get the following results.

Satellites Quality Intensity

Astra 28.8 80% 65%
Astra 19.2 80% 65%
Hellas 39E 77% 60%
Hotbird 13E 77% 55%
Express 55E 78% 70%

Are you saying that it is impossible to get these results with dish in one position? and if so, how come I can view channels from, say 19.2, which are not available on 28.8, and vice versa?? and if I list favourites and scroll down through them, I get channels from the five satellites listed above!
I accept that the quality and intensity readings are not 100%, but the reception is first class!
Any enlightenment welcome!
Thanks

Tony

xocal wrote: »

Are you saying that it is impossible to get these results with dish in one position?

Yes it is impossible to receive more than one satellite position with a fixed dish and one lnb.

biologikal

xocal wrote: »

I don't understand this, as I am in same situation as Lugha, in that, when I go into TP Scan and check through the satellites I get the following results.

Satellites Quality Intensity

Astra 28.8 80% 65%
Astra 19.2 80% 65%
Hellas 39E 77% 60%
Hotbird 13E 77% 55%
Express 55E 78% 70%

Are you saying that it is impossible to get these results with dish in one position? and if so, how come I can view channels from, say 19.2, which are not available on 28.8, and vice versa?? and if I list favourites and scroll down through them, I get channels from the five satellites listed above!
I accept that the quality and intensity readings are not 100%, but the reception is first class!
Any enlightenment welcome!
Thanks

Technically, it could be possible to receive signals from more than one satellite, with just one fixed dish and one LNB, through reflection via a window or similarly reflective surface, but it is extremely unlikely, and I'd say the odds of receiving up to 5 satellites are fairly steep, even by intentional design (I have experienced it myself, seeing one satellite that shouldn't have been there, and it had me scratching my head for some minutes).

What you are likely seeing is duplication of transponder frequencies between the satellites. I'm not going to go and find every possible permutation, but some examples would be the transponders 10714 H, 10729 V, 10744 H, which are all shared by 28E and 19E. If your dish is pointing at 28E, you're going to be seeing C4 variants and Film 4 (28E), not Kika or Primetime (19E) on TP 10714 H. You can check out these transponders and channels available on them by checking out lyngsat.com or flysat.com.

Edit: Most of what I've said here has already been posted by Tony at #9.

xocal

OK, I accept what you and Tony have stated, and appreciate that you both appear to speak from experience, but am still mystified as to how I am getting up to 4000 channels! and whilst the majority are rubbish, I have saved 40 very useful channels from 4 satellites to favourites, including all the BBC's,ITV'S, Sky news, Al Jazeera, Chan 4, UTV, and approx 6 movie channels.
Please bear with an amatuer, but, if I've done this properly, you should be able to see the following screen shots of four satellites in TP mode.
Thumbnail= http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4397/08192008161805yg5.th.jpg
Thumbnail= http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3841/08192008161756ul5.th.jpg
Thumbnail= http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4885/08192008161740sp5.th.jpg
Thumbnail= http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2199/12062007113217ii0.th.jpg

And as can be seen, the readings are different!

bittihuduga

this is strange...
what size dish are you using?
what was the dish aligned to?

Tony

List some of the channels that you claim to be receiving from different satellites? the images you posted are unreadable

byte

All the channels you mentioned are available on Astra2/Eurobird.

byte

All those frequencies you listed in the images (to see fullsize, delete .th part of URL), are all frequencies that are also available on Astra 2/Eurobird 1 as well.

http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html lists all the frequencies used by Astra 2/Eurobird alone!

wil

And the first 2 are the same frequency and polarity anyway.

You may have made the mistake of scanning in the same satellite under the different satellite headings.
A common enough mistake and a pain to rectify without deleting all the channels from that satellite.

You should not scan channels on your receiver until you are sure what satellite you are pointing at, in order to ensure the channels go in to the correct satellite heading on the receiver.

What you see as satellites on the receiver are just place holders for the channels, and can be set up and called whatever you like, it doesnt "know" what satellite the dish is pointing at.

biologikal

xocal wrote: »

OK, I accept what you and Tony have stated, and appreciate that you both appear to speak from experience, but am still mystified as to how I am getting up to 4000 channels! and whilst the majority are rubbish, I have saved 40 very useful channels from 4 satellites to favourites, including all the BBC's,ITV'S, Sky news, Al Jazeera, Chan 4, UTV, and approx 6 movie channels.
Please bear with an amatuer, but, if I've done this properly, you should be able to see the following screen shots of four satellites in TP mode.
Thumbnail= http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4397/08192008161805yg5.th.jpg
Thumbnail= http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3841/08192008161756ul5.th.jpg
Thumbnail= http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4885/08192008161740sp5.th.jpg
Thumbnail= http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2199/12062007113217ii0.th.jpg

And as can be seen, the readings are different!

If your receiver has a way to list all channels from all satellites in one list, you will probably find that you have 5 BBC1 NIs, 5 UTVs, 5 Film4s, etc., if you can sort them by name. Are you getting any German/French/Italian language channels?

You could probably use the menus to create a new satellite, call it "Sputnik", and if you do a scan, it will look like you're getting BBC/ITV/C4/etc from Sputnik.

I think there is a limit of 4000 channels possible in the receivers memory. My advise would be to delete all the channels from all satellite lists, except 28E. You may also have a lot of radio channels scanned in in quintiplicate, so you might want to get rid of them too. Having the memory so full may impair the functionality of the receiver.

Finally, and not meaning to be critical or anything, but you may be able to get better intensity/quality percentages with a bit of dish/LNB tweaking. What size dish are you using? A bit of wind or heavy rain might knock out the signal on some TPs.