Wanted: Air Pistol

Popanddrop

Nothing fancy a CO2 .177 or .22 air pistol. Just looking to get into target shooting with one instead of and air rifle which I have always used.

claudiub

Popanddrop wrote: »

Nothing fancy a CO2 .177 or .22 air pistol. Just looking to get into target shooting with one instead of and air rifle which I have always used.

http://www.airsoftworld.ie/

IRLConor

Popanddrop wrote: »

Nothing fancy a CO2 .177 or .22 air pistol. Just looking to get into target shooting with one instead of and air rifle which I have always used.

Sparks has an air pistol which I think was quite reasonably priced. Single shot, hand cranked, dead simple. I think it's one of these:



$350 new on http://www.pilkguns.com/

There's probably a nearer supplier though.

Sparks

Yeah, that's the one. Couldn't recommend it highly enough for a beginner. If you're only starting off though, I'd wander down to the local club and talk to them about using club kit for a while - it's surprising the number of people I've seen try pistol and decide "stuff this for a game of soldiers" and go back to rifle.

rrpc

Or there's this:



Morini 162E, going for about €400 although you'll have to fork out an additional €120'ish for shipping and export permit from Switzerland.

Sparks

I dunno rrpc - €250-300 inc. shipping, duty and vat for an IZH which is as beginner-suited as any pistol designed for beginners could be; or €620 (does that include duty and vat?) for a rather high-level pistol with an electronic trigger and which will also need a compressed air tank (not a real problem if your club has one, but otherwise an additional expense).

rrpc

Not too good on the sums there Sparks. It adds up to about €520 for an air pistol which by all accounts you'll never have to replace, which is easy to get parts for and bar maybe one or two others is about the best you can get.

It's also tremendous value considering the new model costs about €1200. Nobody I know who has imported from Switzerland hs been hit by duty and the VAT (at 7.4%) is included.

Sparks

Doh on the math - but - you're shipping from outside the EU so you are liable for duty (3.4%, the TARIC Code is 9304 00 0000) and VAT (21% on top of that). If you get away with not paying it, it's because you were out-and-out lucky - and please, noone post "tips" on how to avoid VAT and duty on imports like that, it's not legal to do so. So you could be looking at €585 by the time it gets to your door (€400 - 7.4% (swiss VAT?) + 3.4% duty + 21% VAT + €120 shipping&paperwork).

At any rate of VAT+Duty+Shipping though, I agree, it's simply marvellous value. It'd make an ideal intermediate-to-advanced pistol. And I know a lot of folks who ought to be getting this or something like this right now (and who might be kicking themselves for having bought new kit).

I still don't think it's a good choice for a beginner though, the same way neither of us would strap a beginner into an alu-stocked 2013 to start them off in smallbore rifle, no matter how good a rifle it is. I'd still recommend something very straightforward like the Izzy. No need for scuba tanks, cheap as chips so if you carve up your grip it doesn't matter much (the grips on a morini normally cost more than the entire Izzy does), and it will happily outshoot any beginner without any difficulties whatsoever.

Rovi

Sparks wrote: »

...but - you're shipping from outside the EU so you are liable for duty...

Switzerland is something of a special case though, as there are various agreements between Switzerland and the EU dealing with trade between the two which make transactions such as this somewhat different from similar ones with the US or indeed, most of the rest of the world.

This appears to cover a lot of this sort of thing, particularly Sections 4 & 5; however, I don't do lawyertalk, so I offer no guarantees as to the accuracy or appropriateness of same -
EC Switzerland Free Trade Agreement

rrpc

Sorry, should have been clearer there. Imports from Switzerland are at a zero rate of duty as a preferential trading partner with the EU.

Sparks

Okay, that covers duty nicely - what about Irish VAT?

rrpc

Sparks wrote: »

Okay, that covers duty nicely - what about Irish VAT?

Irish VAT is payable. I think there may be an exception if the goods originated in the EU. Morini are Swiss, so this is not an issue.

Sparks

Yeah, it's not an issue in the EU - you pay VAT in the country you bought it in and you don't pay it here; but cross the EU border and you often get stung twice - once there, once here. It's different with the US, because they have a Sales Tax instead of VAT, but I'm not sure about switzerland. You might wind up paying swiss vat, then irish vat on top of that.

However, you'd still get the Morini for less than half it's normal retail price. For anyone who's been shooting for a year or so and knows they want to keep going in air pistol, it'd be a fantastic deal.

rrpc

Sparks wrote: »

Yeah, it's not an issue in the EU - you pay VAT in the country you bought it in and you don't pay it here; but cross the EU border and you often get stung twice - once there, once here.

In those cases you should get your VAT back before you cross the border.

However, you'd still get the Morini for less than half it's normal retail price. For anyone who's been shooting for a year or so and knows they want to keep going in air pistol, it'd be a fantastic deal.

It would suit you, Sparks. You really won't get a better bargain anywhere. He has a few other second-hand machines here.

Sparks

I dunno rrpc. The more pistol I shoot, the more I realise I'm really a rifle shooter
I think I'm sticking to my Izzy for the moment. Am going to get a decent case for it this year though, the cardboard box it came in is falling apart from use. bigred's storm case looks pretty nice for the purpose, and he either has just got the foam laser-cut or is going to - I wanted to get a peek at the result before making a decision between that and a peli 15xx case.

First, however, is to get the new 2002CA stock and the peli 17xx case for it, and to retask my 1150 peli for storing the 2013's bits (bolt, ammo, sights, etc)

bigred

Sparks wrote: »

bigred's storm case looks pretty nice for the purpose, and he either has just got the foam laser-cut or is going to - I wanted to get a peek at the result before making a decision between that and a peli 15xx case.

GAAAGH.. peer pressure... now I have to make good on my promises and shell out for the frickin' laser treatment.

Sparks

[nelson]ha-ha[/nelson]

Popanddrop

is there any retailers in Ireland for air pistols and air rifles.

Sparks

There's Geoff Cooney in Wilkinstown; Dave Cooney (no relation) in Dun Laoghaire was doing them a few years ago, I think he still is; and there are a few others as well. But are you talking about hunting airguns, target shooting airguns or airsoft toys?

Popanddrop

Hunting Airguns more then anything, small ones of coarse rabbits, etc.

Sparks

Well, just about every gun dealer seems to have a break-barrel .22 air rifle squirrelled away in the back of the lock-up, so for something like that you should be okay; but they're really not much use for anything bigger than a pigeon or a largish rat at relatively close range.

If thwacking bunnies at out to 100 yards is your intended purpose, there are air rifles that will do the job quite effectively, but they won't be in the back of the lockup, they tend to be nice and fancy, like the Daystate stuff:

N.O.I.P.

Ooh was playing with a Daystate Airwolf recently, was very impressed

Electronic trigger
Computer controlled power settings
Shot counter
WiFi*
Touch Screen*
HD Ready*







*Some of These features may not be available

Sparks

Have to admit, the airwolf is a pretty good example of why I think ISSF air rifles aren't the most complicated things on the market
I'm half expecting the next version to include bluetooth, a digital camera and GPS so it can connect to your mobile phone and send photos of everything you shot at that day, along with where you were at the time, and all the settings for the shot to you by email

Popanddrop

Even a break barrel for me would be perfect, Im not huge into this whole thing partly because I just dont have the time but I still would like to have one for those days that I do not fish or am free from work.

N.O.I.P.

Sparks wrote: »

I'm half expecting the next version to include bluetooth, a digital camera and GPS so it can connect to your mobile phone and send photos of everything you shot at that day, along with where you were at the time, and all the settings for the shot to you by email

I'd sell a kidney

Sparks

N.O.I.P. wrote: »

I'd sell a kidney

That might cover the first payment

Sparks

Popanddrop wrote: »

Even a break barrel for me would be perfect, Im not huge into this whole thing partly because I just dont have the time but I still would like to have one for those days that I do not fish or am free from work.

Well, I wouldn't recommend the geek's rifle (the airwolf) But I would recommend you don't go for a 30-year-old break-barrel from the back of the storeroom if you're going for rabbit at any range where you couldn't swing the butt of the rifle at the rabbit. Spend a bit of cash, get something you like the look of and that fits you and that will do the job properly. Otherwise you end up fustrated at the kit and give up and that's not a great way to enjoy yourself. Maybe one of the cheaper FAC models from daystate would do - or maybe something similar from another manufacturer, or even second-hand.

Popanddrop

But there is surely some break barrels that can be used for rabbit shooting right?:o

Sparks

Hell yes. And if you find one you like, great. I just don't think they'll be the cheap one in the back of the lock-up is all. Mind you, if you're controlling rats in a barn, the cheap one is the perfect tool for the job.

Popanddrop

thats all I really need to be honest its all that I am ust to anyway because all i had before was a SMK B2 and that did they job fine, I jus want something for rats, and just plinking around with a few targets in my field is all. The only reason I sold my SMK was that I was going to Central America for three months(still here back this weekend) and I just wanted some spare cash but since I sold it 5 months back I have been lately thinking of purchasing a new air rifle for those times I aint out fishing or not doing some photography.

Popanddrop

Would Mod please close thread, as you can see I am now looking for a Air Rifle and alot of the subject on this is off topic some I am going to start a new thread and properly outline what I am looking for.

Jimkil

I have 2 very nice units for you. A 357 Magnum and Colt 45
Both .177 co2 gas 357 has scope. Pm if interested.

fabz

hi there i am selling a co2 desert eagle .177 pistol for €300
i live in co.kerry
if interested check this:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=59607932#post59607932

fabz

hi there i am selling a co2 desert eagle .177 pistol with a scope,pellets and co2 for €300
i live in co.kerry
if interested check this:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=59607932#post59607932