Will the forthcoming Eucharistic Congress of 2012 be a non event?

Run_to_da_hills · 23-06-2008 1:11pm #1

My Grandmother used to go on about the 1932 Eucharistic Congress and how important the event was. Apparently the whole country came to a complete standstill. I cannot see the forthcoming congress in 2012 having any major impact in Ireland at all for several reasons, the country has come along along way since the 30ies with RC control over the state. I doubt if it this event would even be allowed take over O'connell St again. I can only see it getting back ground media attention the next time round.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=65671-qqqx=1.asp

kelly1 · 23-06-2008 3:35pm

One thing is for sure. There's no shortage of Catholic bashers around here!

Gone West · 23-06-2008 3:41pm

Well when you have almost an entire adult population of a nation who were (actually) bashed by various catholic educators when they were growing up, you can't deny them some catholic bashing when they're grown up can you!

kelly1 · 23-06-2008 3:46pm

Anyone else like to have a go? It's fashionable!

Mena · 23-06-2008 3:47pm

kelly1 wrote: »

Anyone else like to have a go? It's fashionable!

I'll refrain, I hate to be popularist

Gone West · 23-06-2008 3:52pm

Theres been no catholic bashing on this thread, just pre-emptive defensive strikes by yourselves

Biro · 23-06-2008 3:56pm

FuzzyLogic wrote: »

Well when you have almost an entire adult population of a nation who were (actually) bashed by various catholic educators when they were growing up, you can't deny them some catholic bashing when they're grown up can you!

It was a mentality back then used by everyone. Bashing kids was by no means restricted to the number of Christian Brothers who doled out punishment in that fashion.

robindch · 23-06-2008 3:59pm

kelly1 wrote: »

Anyone else like to have a go? It's fashionable!

Been ages since I saw anybody bashing a bishop!

philologos · 25-06-2008 2:46pm

Run to da hills? What exactly is your point by posting this?

Kelly, would you like to explain to some of the non-Catholic posters on the forum what this Eucharistic Congress will involve?

Run to da hills, just also noting. You claim that this will not receive proper media coverage. However the Lambeth Conference which is taking place in London this year mightn't be of much interest to the majority of the population but is still getting plenty of media coverage (albeit probably for the wrong reasons). That's no reason to assume that the media will not take interest in it.

kelly1 · 25-06-2008 2:52pm

Jakkass wrote: »

Kelly, would you like to explain to some of the non-Catholic posters on the forum what this Eucharistic Congress will involve?

I don't know really. I would imagine it would involve a huge Corpus Christi procession and probably lots of Eucharistic adoration around the country. It would certainly be a great boost for the Church.

toiletduck · 25-06-2008 2:56pm

kelly1 wrote: »

One thing is for sure. There's no shortage of Catholic bashers around here!

Where exactly was the bashing in the OP??

kelly1 · 25-06-2008 2:59pm

toiletduck wrote: »

Where exactly was the bashing in the OP??

It's veiled in this thread but he's made his views of the Church openly known in other threads. He's just gloating over the decline of the Church.

JimiTime · 25-06-2008 3:05pm

robindch wrote: »

Been ages since I saw anybody bashing a bishop!

Frankie Howard is alive and well, and lives in russia apparently:)

Run_to_da_hills · 25-06-2008 4:30pm

kelly1 wrote: »

It's veiled in this thread but he's made his views of the Church openly known in other threads. He's just gloating over the decline of the Church.

The decline of one particular church.

JimiTime · 25-06-2008 4:36pm

kelly1 wrote: »

It's veiled in this thread but he's made his views of the Church openly known in other threads. He's just gloating over the decline of the Church.

If your church was to be struck down Noel, would that convince you that it was not the 'one true church' you speak of? just curious.

kelly1 · 25-06-2008 5:00pm

JimiTime wrote: »

If your church was to be struck down Noel, would that convince you that it was not the 'one true church' you speak of? just curious.

It's not going to happen. See Mt 16:18. The entire Church including the pope and all bishops would have to be "disbanded".

JimiTime · 26-06-2008 2:05pm

kelly1 wrote: »

It's not going to happen. See Mt 16:18. The entire Church including the pope and all bishops would have to be "disbanded".

Im not one for answering rhetorical questions either. But if you will. What is disbanded?

The_Banker · 04-07-2008 8:35am

With regard to the Eucharistic Congress. The Catholic Hierarchy are quite entitled to hold it but I would hope that the government does not get involved in it in any way, shape or form. Unlike 1932 there is no room (or appetite) for state involvement or tax payers money in this event.

The Pope may visit ahead of this event and he should be greeted just like any other head of state, with courtesy and dignatity but I would hope that the government would voice its displeasure to the head of Vatican City for its cover up of the abuse of Irish citizens.

kelly1 · 04-07-2008 9:04am

The_Banker wrote: »

The Pope may visit ahead of this event and he should be greeted just like any other head of state, with courtesy and dignatity but I would hope that the government would voice its displeasure to the head of Vatican City for its cover up of the abuse of Irish citizens.

Do you believe John Paul II covered up abuse? Pope Benedict has publicly and frequently condemned the abuses that took place in Ireland and the US. These Irish citizens were abused by Irish Citizens by the way!

PDN · 04-07-2008 9:19am

The_Banker wrote: »

With regard to the Eucharistic Congress. The Catholic Hierarchy are quite entitled to hold it but I would hope that the government does not get involved in it in any way, shape or form. Unlike 1932 there is no room (or appetite) for state involvement or tax payers money in this event.

As a non-Catholic, if the event brings in a bunch of tourists and some much needed dosh into the economy then, as with any major sporting or cultural event, I would hope the government does what it can to encourage it.

seamus · 04-07-2008 9:39am

Interesting year for it...

Tim Robbins · 04-07-2008 9:44am

The anti-Catholic bashing from the some Protestant posters for me here, is exceedingly indicative of the role ethnocentricity plays in faith and religion.

But I guess it's pay back time for many years of being viewed as nothing more than a makey up cult.

It must be a bummer if someone wants to change team.

The_Banker · 04-07-2008 10:15am

kelly1 wrote: »

Do you believe John Paul II covered up abuse? QUOTE]

YES!

The_Banker · 04-07-2008 10:19am

kelly1 wrote: »

Pope Benedict has publicly and frequently condemned the abuses that took place in Ireland and the US.

He does so now. What about in the early 90s when revelations were coming out about the conduct of priests in Ireland. As Pope John Pauls II right hand man did he not urge the pontiff to do something about it?
I don't think so.

Its all very well crying now when presented with evidence of abuse while in Boston. The horse has bolted Benny, too late to close the door.

robindch · 04-07-2008 11:01am

kelly1 wrote: »

Pope Benedict has publicly and frequently condemned the abuses that took place in Ireland and the US.

After many years of doing little enough, though. I don't recall that he's ever excommunicated any of the abusers either -- has he?

And Cardinal Bernard Law who presided over the huge sex abuse mess in Boston has been living in the Vatican seemingly under its diplomatic protection for some years now, and (surprisingly to me anyway) has been appointed to the Pontifical Council for the Family.

PDN · 04-07-2008 11:30am

Tim Robbins wrote: »

The anti-Catholic bashing from the some Protestant posters for me here, is exceedingly indicative of the role ethnocentricity plays in faith and religion.

But I guess it's pay back time for many years of being viewed as nothing more than a makey up cult.

It must be a bummer if someone wants to change team.

Actually the bashing is usually done by those who have switched teams. Time for an analogy, I think

It's like how former smokers tend to be the most intolerant of other people's smoking habit.

kelly1 · 04-07-2008 11:31am

robindch wrote: »

After many years of doing little enough, though. I don't recall that he's ever excommunicated any of the abusers either -- has he?

No, the bishops do the defrocking.

robindch wrote: »

And Cardinal Bernard Law who presided over the huge sex abuse mess in Boston has been living in the Vatican seemingly under its diplomatic protection for some years now, and (surprisingly to me anyway) has been appointed to the Pontifical Council for the Family.

Yes surprising indeed. I don't want to judge John Paul II but it seems he handled the scandals badly. I think he should have been far tougher on the bishops.

PDN · 04-07-2008 11:46am

kelly1 wrote: »

No, the bishops do the defrocking.

Unfortunate turn of phrase under the circumstances.

robindch · 04-07-2008 12:03pm

kelly1 wrote: »

No, the bishops do the defrocking.

Interesting, I thought the pope was the guy responsible. Do you know where that's mentioned in Canon Law?

kelly1 · 04-07-2008 1:18pm

robindch wrote: »

Interesting, I thought the pope was the guy responsible. Do you know where that's mentioned in Canon Law?

priests report to his bishop and the bishops report to the Pope. But the bishops seem to be fairly autonomous. afaik, I think a bishops has the power to defrock a priest. I would imagine the Pope would have to defrock a bishop. I'm not really certain though.

Tim Robbins · 04-07-2008 4:34pm

PDN wrote: »

Actually the bashing is usually done by those who have switched teams. Time for an analogy, I think It's like how former smokers tend to be the most intolerant of other people's smoking habit.

Perhaps that is the case. It would be interesting to do some clinical research into it. Do you know many Protestants thhat have jumped to Rome?

PDN · 04-07-2008 4:56pm

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Perhaps that is the case. It would be interesting to do some clinical research into it. Do you know many Protestants thhat have jumped to Rome?

Here in Ireland most such conversions I have encountered have been among those whose faith is pretty nominal, more of an ethnic badge than anything. So you get a Presbyterian who doesn't really practice his faith, then he marries a Catholic girl and, to keep her parents happy, converts to Catholicism but still doesn't really believe any of it all.

Indeed many of the Catholics who convert to evangelical Christianity never really believed any of the Catholic stuff. They were baptised as kids and made to go to mass, but could never have been described as committed Catholics. They tend to be pretty anti-Catholic, because they hated the indoctrination, but they would see themselves as having 'become Christians' after they abandoned Catholicism. I think in our entire church we would only have a tiny percentage (only twenty adults or so) who were committed Catholics and then embraced evangelicalism.

There was a Church of Ireland bishop's wife recently who converted to Catholicism. Another high profile defection by someone who was much more than a nominal Christian occurred when a Baptist philosopher and president of the Evangelical Theology Society in the US converted to Catholicism http://www.abpnews.com/2139.article

Will the forthcoming Eucharistic Congress of 2012 be a non event?

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