Article about % amount of foreign nationals involved in stabbings.

gazzer

I was just reading this article http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhgbgbsnqley/ and was wondering if this means that there are actually more foreign nationals in Ireland than we think and hence why the percentage is so high or are foreign nationals more violent? 40% of non irish people were involved in stabbing incidents in recent times. Thats a hell of a lot.

I personally would think that it means there are a lot more foreign nationals here than we think but thats just my opinion. I dont think it is a case that people from other countries are more violent that Irish people. Though maybe it is to do with the age and gender profile of the people that come to Ireland. What do you guys think?

aidan_walsh

Foreign nationals involved in 40% of stabbing incidents, not 40% of foreign nationals involved. And no word on whether Irish people were involved in any of these 40% of incidents. Insert rolleyes here.

alexmcred

I think its more to do with the type of person that comes over here.

Remember no European foreign national has a security check done on them when they enter the country so there is no way of knowing if these people had committed offenses in their own country before coming over here.

Sherifu

Stabbers or stabees?

% in Limerick?

aidan_walsh

40% as either victims or perpetrators, 26% as victims of fatal stabbings since 2003, according to breakingnews.ie using the Sunday Tribune as their source.

Ross_Mahon

Skinheads with leather jackets, white stripe tracksuit bottoms, huge muscles and vodka with a stunning blondey girl...Did i mention the knife in his pocket?

They are dodgey bastards, they put steroids in their cereal and bench press cars!

GirlInterrupted

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Foreign nationals involved in 40% of stabbing incidents, not 40% of foreign nationals involved. And no word on whether Irish people were involved in any of these 40% of incidents. Insert rolleyes here.

I'll do the rolleyes:rolleyes:. It's not what you read it's the way you read it.

Rb

Sherifu wrote: »

Stabbers or stabees?

% in Limerick?

I wouldn't be surprised if it was all Limerick tbh

Victor

http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhgbgbsnqley/

26% of fatal stabbing victims are foreign nationals

Foreign nationals account for over a quarter of all fatal stabbing victims in the last five years.

A report in the Sunday Tribune claims that of 100 people fatally stabbed in Ireland since 2003, 26 of them have been foreigners.

The investigation also revealed that foreigners have been involved as either victims or perpetrators in over 40% of stabbing incidents.

There have been five fatal stabbings so far this year, and four of these victims were not Irish nationals.

Earlier this month Mr Justice Paul Carney made controversial remarks linking the rise of knife crime in Ireland to the influx of immigrants into the country.

Immigrant groups criticised the comments, saying they only reinforced negative stereotypes about migrants.

100 people fatally stabbed => 1 person = 1%

26 victims
"Over 40" less 26 = over 14 perpetrators

So foreign people are about average as perpetrators and more likely to be victims. This could even be age adjusted - most perpetrators are aged 17-24, most foreign people in Ireland are 18-40.

So Irish people are about average as perpetrators and less likely to be victims.

More foreign people FTW!

100 people fatally stabbed => 1 person = 1%. 100 victims, 100+ perpetrators (you can be stabbed by more than 1 person)

26 victims were foreign people
"Over 40%" (of 200+) less 26 = "over 80" less 26 = over 54 perpetrators were foreign people

So foreign people are causing over half the fatal stabbings???????????

AckwelFoley

its simply down to the language barrier among the various nationalities in Ireland.

Nothing says i dislike you more than 2 swift blades to the head.

snubbleste

Headline: 26% of fatal stabbing victims are foreign nationals

Isn't that just a nice way of saying that 74% of fatal stabbing victims are irish nationals?

Ponster

snubbleste wrote: »

Headline: 26% of fatal stabbing victims are foreign nationals

Isn't that just a nice way of saying that 74% of fatal stabbing victims are irish nationals?

Yep.

I couldn't give a ****e how many are caused by whom. Do you have any stats on how many stabbings there are today compared to 15 years ago for example?

EamonnKeane

Most people who commit knife crime are young (20s/30s). Most immigrants are young (20s/30s). You don't need a BSc in stats to see the factor BN ignored

Reku

Victor wrote: »

100 people fatally stabbed => 1 person = 1%. 100 victims, 100+ perpetrators (you can be stabbed by more than 1 person)

Don't forget you can also stab more than one person, so may not be >100 perpetrators.


TBH I'd just assume that the problem is with Irish racists picking on foreigners so the 40% are probably mostly as victims as opposed to the people stabbing others.

Dragan

Rb wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if it was all Limerick tbh

In all reality i think you would.

seamus

EamonnKeane wrote: »

Most people who commit knife crime are young (20s/30s). Most immigrants are young (20s/30s). You don't need a BSc in stats to see the factor BN ignored

They would also tend to fall into the lower end of the economic scale, which also has a higher proportion of such crime.

Neecod

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherifu
Stabbers or stabees?

% in Limerick?

I wouldn't be surprised if it was all Limerick tbh


Yeah thats it. Everyone carries a knife a Limerick. We love it. Mad craic altogether. Well done on your informed comment.

dsmythy

farohar wrote: »

Don't forget you can also stab more than one person, so may not be >100 perpetrators.


TBH I'd just assume that the problem is with Irish racists picking on foreigners so the 40% are probably mostly as victims as opposed to the people stabbing others.

Lazy assumption really. The stats show that a lot of cases are foreign nationals stabbing one another. The only one i know of recently were there could of been hate as the reason was the two Polish guys earlier this year.

utick

Rb wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if it was all Limerick tbh

in fairness its 2008 and limerick has kept with the times, limericks not about stabbings anymore, today its all about aks, grenades and bulletproof vests, and bomb proof suvs

billy the squid

Sherifu wrote: »

Stabbers or stabees?

% in Limerick?

And what may I ask has Limerick got to do with it?

In response to the OP

The percentage of fioreign nationals involved in stabbings is not a good way of measureing the number of foreign nationals in the country.

billy the squid

utick wrote: »

in fairness its 2008 and limerick has kept with the times, limericks not about stabbings anymore, today its all about aks, grenades and bulletproof vests, and bomb proof suvs

Yeah, like dublin or cork are any safer. In dublin they have had pipe bomb incidents in the double figures in 2008 alone, some 50 year old woman being shot through the window of her house today as well.

flyingoutside

I think its more in the culture in Europe. In Spain like every scumbag and his ma carries knifes