People needed for new BB product testing in Dublin 6

aligator_am

hi all,

a certain provider need a large amount of people around the dublin 6 and surrounding areas to test a new product, details to be finalised.

i can't give out the company name or product (non disclosure) but it's fast, faster than anything i've seen before (personally that is) and from what i've been told it's free (not sure if it's free after the test period)

anyway, send me a PM and i'll provide more details when i can, this isn't a windup, honestly.

Talk to ya

aligator_am

for those of you who who think this is a wind up or a joke, it's not, the product is called IPTV (can't give provider name, sorry(there's more than one))

i will say this though, they've figured out a way to send 16 meg BB through power lines and theres a 24meg alternative trough phone lines.

you probably all think im winding you up, well feel free to think it untill the ads hit the telly or radio, as i said, there are a large number of ppl required to test this.

in fact i hope the majority od you consider me a joker, so as the ones who take a chance and have faith in me will have 24meg broadband while the rest of us trudge rhrough 3meg connections.

this new product will melt your mind, free telly and super fast broadand, only hittch is thats its irish.............................

watty

You need to be about 800m or less from exchange and good line to get 24Mbps via phone wire. If everyone gets it the crosstalk in the cable rises and the distances shorten and early subscribers then get lower speeds, up to 1/2.


Plenty of products do home power networking at about 85Mbps to allow IPTV set box in a different room to Modem. Power Line Networking outside of home is a disaster and should be illegal:
* Causes interference to LW/MW/SW radio
* Data is corrupted by any Mobile Radio usage near the power lines

Only about 5% to 10% of phone lines can support 24Mbps DSL.

It's not fast enough for multiroom or HDTV. Basically Satellite and Cable will be always be much better quality and better able for multiroom.

IPTV on phone lines is a product more for phone Line Telcos (like Eircom) rather than consumers. HFC and FTTH systems are really the only good IPTV platforms.

Eircom is testing IPTV as they can't deliver broadcast Digital TV.

marchanlon

PM sent.

Sponge Bob

aligator_am wrote: »

for those of you who who think this is a wind up or a joke, it's not, the product is called IPTV (can't give provider name, sorry(there's more than one))

i will say this though, they've figured out a way to send 16 meg BB through power lines and theres a 24meg alternative trough phone lines.

you probably all think im winding you up, well feel free to think it untill the ads hit the telly or radio, as i said, there are a large number of ppl required to test this.

Interesting, the powerline delivery proposition may actually work within apartment blocks but I cannot see the ESB allowing unfettered access to the upstream network, somehow.

Probably worth testing again in the Irish context but given how utterly dysfunctional Irish apartment complex management companies are it may not scale .

kmick

PM Sent

neacy69

PM sent....

Henry O'Henry

PM sent............(yesterday)

Rattlehead_ie

PM sent

moynihan

PM sent

craichoe

watty wrote: »

You need to be about 800m or less from exchange and good line to get 24Mbps via phone wire. If everyone gets it the crosstalk in the cable rises and the distances shorten and early subscribers then get lower speeds, up to 1/2.


Plenty of products do home power networking at about 85Mbps to allow IPTV set box in a different room to Modem. Power Line Networking outside of home is a disaster and should be illegal:
* Causes interference to LW/MW/SW radio
* Data is corrupted by any Mobile Radio usage near the power lines

Only about 5% to 10% of phone lines can support 24Mbps DSL.

It's not fast enough for multiroom or HDTV. Basically Satellite and Cable will be always be much better quality and better able for multiroom.

IPTV on phone lines is a product more for phone Line Telcos (like Eircom) rather than consumers. HFC and FTTH systems are really the only good IPTV platforms.

Eircom is testing IPTV as they can't deliver broadcast Digital TV.

Eircom were testing IPTV in 2001 ... It was setup in Ennis and I used it myself personally in Internet House at Temple Bar.

Was scrapped due to licensing issues.

i will say this though, they've figured out a way to send 16 meg BB through power lines and theres a 24meg alternative trough phone lines.

I have 20mbit broadband Orange in the Netherlands, theres NO way you will ever get 24mbit unless your around 500 meters from the exchange.

IP Over power has been around quite a while.. nothing new really.

watty

Cable deregulated now, so as long as the content has BCI licence...

500m and good lines. I wonder have they got new MPEG4 gear or are they using the 2001 MPEG2 kit (needs 2.2x line speed for same quality as MPEG4)

bbanswers

Eircom IPTV is Mpeg4. Only available in 4 exchanges, since about December and still in a trial phase (Terenure/Rathmines). A new part of the trial is launching shortly but I have no idea where in Dublin. Half the installations use home power networking. The specs quote 4.5Mbit per stream. So each user so far has been on ADSL2+ with an attainable of 12Mbps meaning with the DVR-Box they end up with about 3Mbps for browsing.

paulm17781

bbanswers wrote: »

Eircom IPTV is Mpeg4. Only available in 4 exchanges, since about December and still in a trial phase (Terenure/Rathmines). A new part of the trial is launching shortly but I have no idea where in Dublin. Half the installations use home power networking. The specs quote 4.5Mbit per stream. So each user so far has been on ADSL2+ with an attainable of 12Mbps meaning with the DVR-Box they end up with about 3Mbps for browsing.

I've been told it is dedicated 10 for tv leaving only two for browsing.

bbanswers

Sorry ya. 2Mbps for browsing, and Qos on the router of course.

Blaster99

Is that 12Mbps of broadband if not watching TV which goes down to 2Mbps when the TV is on or it's 2Mbps broadband all the time?

Either way, I can't see this doing much against UPC's packages.

paulm17781

Currently 2 the whole time, irrespective of TV. True, the new UPC packages sort of wreck it. From what I recall (I don't have it, I know someone who does) the Eircom one has VoD and various nice things that UPC don't seem to have though.

Moriarty

The difference is that UPC could pretty easily deploy VOD and interactive services but eircom are stuck trying to do it all down the phone line with less available bandwidth. From a technical standpoint, UPC are in a much stronger position.

It's anybodys guess whether they'll force that advantage home though

paulm17781

Moriarty wrote: »

The difference is that UPC could pretty easily deploy VOD and interactive services but eircom are stuck trying to do it all down the phone line with less available bandwidth. From a technical standpoint, UPC are in a much stronger position.

True, historically they haven't really used any of this advantage though. At least Eircom seem to be planning for it.

kmick

So 2Mb broadband and 10Mb TV. Doubt either are gonna be better than Bt 3Mb and Sky+. Ill take 2Mb free broadband any day though. Still think fibre is your only man. Why are people meessing around with technologies that can never beat fibre. Its like trialling Betamax a year after Sony launches blue ray.

aligator_am

hey guys, I'm so sorry, the provider has pulled the plug!!!! i'm well pissed off as i was told I could get it to (was told that yesterday!!!)

it's a pile of nuclear ****e!!! yet again we've been let down, and yet again they'll take our hard earned money anyway!!! scumbags

i want to apologise here and now to all the ppl that were hoping for BB, i'm honestly sorry, this crowd of retards are hard pressed to tie their shoelaces!!!!

i'm well pissed off cos i now look like either a lier or a total idiot!!! i can live with both but really hate being blamed in the wrong

smellslikeshoes

kmick wrote: »

So 2Mb broadband and 10Mb TV. Doubt either are gonna be better than Bt 3Mb and Sky+. Ill take 2Mb free broadband any day though. Still think fibre is your only man. Why are people meessing around with technologies that can never beat fibre. Its like trialling Betamax a year after Sony launches blue ray.

Costs costs costs. To deploy a fibre network to say 50% of the population you're talking 100s of millions and you won't really start making any returns on it for a few years so is a longterm investment. It will happen but you have to walk before you can run.