Arnotts Sale on Today.

copacetic

For anyone looking for runners the arnotts sale started last night. Asics aren't all the usual half price, but kayanos are 85, nimbus 80 and kinsei 100. Cheaper models were half price.

geoff29

ahh brilliant!! my oldest runners got destroyed forever at the beach race thing!! im going there with 35 euro and not a penny more!

rigal

copacetic wrote: »

For anyone looking for runners the arnotts sale started last night. Asics aren't all the usual half price, but kayanos are 85, nimbus 80 and kinsei 100. Cheaper models were half price.

Do you reckon there'll be much left if I went in tonight? Looking for Kayanos. I'm size 9 so thinking they might sell out fast.

copacetic

rigal wrote: »

Do you reckon there'll be much left if I went in tonight? Looking for Kayanos. I'm size 9 so thinking they might sell out fast.

Hard to say really, possibly not, but definitely worth a visit. Where are you based? The Arnotts shoe shop in stillorgan shopping centre was very quiet this morning so possibly they will have some.

rigal

copacetic wrote: »

Hard to say really, possibly not, but definitely worth a visit. Where are you based? The Arnotts shoe shop in stillorgan shopping centre was very quiet this morning so possibly they will have some.

Thanks, yeah I just rang the Stillorgan Shop and they have them in my size. Going to head down now and get them .

geoff29

actually - dont suppose anyone noticed the price of 1130s/2130s by any chance?

copacetic

think they were half off geoff but not sure what they started at. Nice one rigal, took the 14s out for a spin at lunch and they are a fair bit 'plusher' than the 13s, can feel the extra gel.

Racing Flat

geoff29 wrote: »

actually - dont suppose anyone noticed the price of 1130s/2130s by any chance?

2130s = 70Euro

rigal

copacetic wrote: »

think they were half off geoff but not sure what they started at. Nice one rigal, took the 14s out for a spin at lunch and they are a fair bit 'plusher' than the 13s, can feel the extra gel.

Good stuff copacetic. By the time I got down to Stillorgan this afternoon they didn't have my size left in the 14s so had to go with the Kinsei's. I tried them out tonight. They're nice but not sure if there's the same snuggness and arch support I had with the Kayanos. Fingers crossed they'll do me well.:)

Clum

A little off topic but interesting article about asics runners in the New York Times a few days ago.

copacetic

rigal wrote: »

Good stuff copacetic. By the time I got down to Stillorgan this afternoon they didn't have my size left in the 14s so had to go with the Kinsei's. I tried them out tonight. They're nice but not sure if there's the same snuggness and arch support I had with the Kayanos. Fingers crossed they'll do me well.:)

thats a pity, I have the kinsei 1s and found them a little too heavy and that the heel was high relative to the toe area. I understand in the 2 they sorted out the second one. How did they feel for weight? I was concerned about the laces too, didn't feel right. Tempted to go back to try for a pair of them too!

rigal

copacetic wrote: »

thats a pity, I have the kinsei 1s and found them a little too heavy and that the heel was high relative to the toe area. I understand in the 2 they sorted out the second one. How did they feel for weight? I was concerned about the laces too, didn't feel right. Tempted to go back to try for a pair of them too!

That's interesting because the guy in Arnotts told me that in his opinion the Kayanos were a better shoe (shortly after he told me he didn't have my size :rolleyes:).

You're spot on re. their weight. I noticed that when I was putting them on tonight. They're a bit heavier than my 13s. I didn't notice it while running though.

The lacing set up looks a bit odd at the front of the shoe but I actually think it works better. I ran for over 8 miles tonight and they didn't slip at all and the support felt good. I'd definitely recommend trying them on.

geoff29

Racing Flat wrote: »

2130s = 70Euro

Cheers Racing Flat! 70 seems pretty good? They had better be as good as my beloved 1120s!! Also - think I asked you before but have you noticed any Speedstar 3s anywhere (or anyone else?) - would like to see a pair in real life before I end up ordering them or something silly..


Clum - interesting stuff alright - fairly fanatical over there!! I still endorse my nike mayflys for anyone that wants cheap track shoes or can take getting over-heated feet in a 5k Thats not me. But. The track is good fun in them!

StaggerLee

I went for a pair of Kinsei 2, worth a shot at €100.

I usually wear Nimbus but the 9's are giving me blisters, course I bought 2 pairs in the xmas sales:( cant get Nimbus 8 anywhere now.

Racing Flat

geoff29 wrote: »

Cheers Racing Flat! 70 seems pretty good? They had better be as good as my beloved 1120s!! Also - think I asked you before but have you noticed any Speedstar 3s anywhere (or anyone else?) - would like to see a pair in real life before I end up ordering them or something silly..

I actually have a pair of speedstar 3's the blue ones. Didn't realise that's what they were. Weighed them yesterday - they are only very sligtly heavier than DS racers, but the wet weather sole probably accounts for the extra weight and this is definitely necessary, My DS racers may be quite old, (they are the version that were either iluminous green or orange) but these are excellent in dry conditions but hopeless if it's wet. So now I wear the DS racers when it's dry and the speedstar 3's if it's wet or there's risk of rain (so I nearly always where the blue ones then:().

As for where I got them, they were a present from the UK, but I'm fairly sure John Buckley would supply them. He is in Cork, but you can order on the internet and they arrive in the post within 24hours.

geoff29

Racing Flat wrote: »

I actually have a pair of speedstar 3's...

As for where I got them, they were a present from the UK, but I'm fairly sure John Buckley would supply them. He is in Cork, but you can order on the internet and they arrive in the post within 24hours.

Yeh i know - few places to order online - just wanted to have a look in real life first - im a bit finicky!! Thanks again tho!

Followed you guys and went to Arnotts Stillorgan there - nice and empty! Got the 2130s for €70. Interesting fit - slightly narrower than other shoes i think - which suits me fine! They are a bit plodder-like though imo - never seen such thickness on a sole before - obviously designed for people that do 80 miles a week and that.. so il prob only use them on my wkd long runs until the 1120s actually disintegrate..

Looked also at the 1130s - my initial reaction is that they arent a patch on the 1120 - they are def a fraction heavier but are bulky looking things - *but* - they only cost €47.50 which is great - so if any of you guys looking for a cheap shoe - there you have it!

had a look at your kinseis there guys - have they got built-in weights in them?!!? suppose when you train in them - and race in light shoes - itl pay dividends? im just jealous tho cus if i wore them around here - someone would try and steal them right off my feet!

bo-sco

Bought 3 pairs of Asiscs Cumulus myself for €52.50 each. Fantastic deal.

Pherekydes

Thanks for the heads up on this. Got a pair of nimbus and two pairs of 2130s for €220 total in the city centre today. Great value. Two sons and myself sorted for a while.

copacetic

nice! lucky to get any sizes left today.

I couldn't resist and went back for the kinsei 2s to go with the kayanos. They aren't that different to the 1s, hard to land anywhere but the heel in them, but they seem very supportive and 'plush'. Will be grand for longer and slower runs..

bazman

I don't really understand how anyone could be considering buying Kinsei or Kayano - they are designed for the same purpose, but for very different types of foot pronation.

If you over pronate then get Kayanos.

If you're netural or under pronate then get Kinsei.

If you don't know whether you pronate or not, then go for a gait analysis at runningways or amphibian king.

I've used both Kensei 1 & 2 and really preferred the first edition. There's too much going on with the Kinsei 2 and as a result I'm reverting back to Nimbus.

copacetic

bazman wrote: »

I don't really understand how anyone could be considering buying Kinsei or Kayano - they are designed for the same purpose, but for very different types of foot pronation.

If you over pronate then get Kayanos.

If you're netural or under pronate then get Kinsei.

If you don't know whether you pronate or not, then go for a gait analysis at runningways or amphibian king.

I've used both Kensei 1 & 2 and really preferred the first edition. There's too much going on with the Kinsei 2 and as a result I'm reverting back to Nimbus.

actually thats not really true, the kayano are structured cushioning shoes, aimed at neutral or mild over pronaters. I'm a neutral runner and they are fine for me, as are the nimbus and the kinsei.

You aren't the only one who knows what you are doing:rolleyes:

edit: see the pronation range for kayano:
http://www.asicsamerica.com/products/product.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=240009383&TITLE_CATEGORY_ID=250001542

and kinsei:
http://www.asicsamerica.com/products/product.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=240009381&TITLE_CATEGORY_ID=250001539

and you will clearly see they overlap totally for neutral or slight overpronation

geoff29

my rule of thumb is: the cooler the runners look - the faster it is you run...

bazman

Didn't mean to come across as patronising and I realise that 90% of runners out there research their gear before buying.

It just annoys me that sales reps in Arnotts advise people to get Kayano or Kinsei without understanding the difference between them. I just remember when I started running I got the Kayanos because they were the 'best'. They are really only for pronating runners looking to do high mileage training & there I was racing in heavy shoes there were unsuitable for my gait I just wanted others to learn from my mistakes in the past ...

From my experience if you are neutral you should stick with neutral shoes to minimise the risk of injuries. I got weird injuries in my Kayano days, but have been running injury free for over a year now (wood touched) and running relatively high mileage

Oh, & guess I should have picked a different username to protect my anonymity

copacetic

I've been fitted a few times, although not in Ireland and the kayano has been one of the shoes coming up along with the nimbus/kinsei. It is a neutral shoe Baz, only suitable for people who mildly pronate if at all.

The 2130 is more the shoe for people who over pronate..

To be honest it sounds like you aren't neutral to me, but supinate and need the cushioning to get proper pronation, which the kayano won't give you. However who knows, you know what works for you and most of us know what works for us..

bazman

I was told I was neutral by the amphibian folk, but maybe you're right. All I know is that I can run forever in nimbus and kinsei, so I'll stick with them

Perhaps geoff29 is on the ball - I want a pair of these:
http://www.asicsamerica.com/products/product.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=240010985&TITLE_CATEGORY_ID=250001546

Wonder where I'll find a pair - would love if Arnotts stocked more racing shoes ...

damianmckeever

I don't normally get involved in these debates but the Kayano is a support shoe. The posting on the medial side of duomax confirms that, when it was first released 14 years ago it was seen as the ultimate support shoe. Because Asics Shoes are marketed separtley and everyone wants to be neutral they'll put it down on their graph as covers neutral and support but why would a neutral runner want to go into a shoe that is built up on the inside if they weren't pronating.

Granted it's not as supportive as some of their other shoes like the Evloution but it is a support shoe check any retailer in the states or Aus NZ they'll all have it down in their support category.

Nimbus Kinsei and Cumulus are all your neutral shoes, none of them have a posting on the medial side.

Bazman we have that racing flat in stock piranha I think it's called, really bad reviews from anyone who has bought it!! sorry. it is light though!!

geoff29

I agree with you baz about the lack of knowledge displayed by the sales-people - annoying. I had that same 'buy the kayanos because they are the best' story. Luckily for me - I'm a cheapo and my first asics were these Vertigos costing €30:



Now. These have zero support and I like them because they were light. A neutral shoe if ever there was one. But they fell apart badly. The biggest problem was that the material seem to get looser and looser until I found my foot was not being gripped in a sideways manner. Indeed, I wore these last week at the ESB 5k beach race because I knew they were going to get destroyed - and they did. More than I expected. Hadnt realised that there was going to be so much water! I think including my socks - I was prob carrying around a kilo of weight per shoe or more when you factor in the amount of water I took onboard! You live and you learn...

What I did notice from those shoes was that I do like my foot to be kept in place - and despite the fact that I am a neutral/slightly-under-pronating runner - I'll usually go for support shoes because of it. I had read when buying these 1120s:



that even if you're a neutral runner or under pronating or whatever - it doesn't do you any harm to have a support post there since its matching the shape of your foot it seems. *Just quoting what I read btw*. Having worn the shoe now for 500 miles or whatever - I have no complaints in that respect..

But yep regarding the weight - i.e, if you don't want any support - what's the point in carting around an extra 100 grams or whatever. I don't think it will cause harm though. Having said that - I think as mentioned I've gone ott with the 2130s.. should have gone nimbus! Oh well, I'll have them for 5 years I bet!!

Again from what I've read, flipping it, it sounds like if you are an over-pronator with flat feet etc, you can do harm wearing shoes with no support. I suppose it just compounds the problem?

copacetic

damianmckeever wrote: »

I don't normally get involved in these debates but the Kayano is a support shoe. The posting on the medial side of duomax confirms that, when it was first released 14 years ago it was seen as the ultimate support shoe. Because Asics Shoes are marketed separtley and everyone wants to be neutral they'll put it down on their graph as covers neutral and support but why would a neutral runner want to go into a shoe that is built up on the inside if they weren't pronating.

Granted it's not as supportive as some of their other shoes like the Evloution but it is a support shoe check any retailer in the states or Aus NZ they'll all have it down in their support category.

Nimbus Kinsei and Cumulus are all your neutral shoes, none of them have a posting on the medial side.

Bazman we have that racing flat in stock piranha I think it's called, really bad reviews from anyone who has bought it!! sorry. it is light though!!

Well I'd certainly defer to your knowledge Damian, but I was fitted in the US twice and UK once and came out neutral all 3 times. I was rec'd the nimbus or the triumph or the wave rider and have gotten on well with them all, however based on the fact that I had kayanos that work for me the advice was that there is absolutely no reason for me not to wear them. They are a cushioning shoe with support, I don't hit the post as my foot doesn't roll that far. So for me they just act like a cushioned shoe and I prefer the fit to the nimbus. Pretty similar to what Geoff above has experienced.

Are you actually saying that there is a good reason for me not to wear kayanos or just that I don't need the support so don't have to wear them?

Two very different things I think you will agree.

geoff29

copacetic wrote: »

Are you actually saying that there is a good reason for me not to wear kayanos or just that I don't need the support so don't have to wear them?

Two very different things I think you will agree.

I'd be interested to hear your take on this also Damian! Very hard to find a clear cut answer from what i've found

islandexile

bazman wrote: »

I just remember when I started running I got the Kayanos because they were the 'best'. They are really only for pronating runners looking to do high mileage training & there I was racing in heavy shoes there were unsuitable for my gait I just wanted others to learn from my mistakes in the past ...

I have to say I love my Kayano's. I keep them for racing only. I'm beginning to hear and read that racing shoes can knock a few seconds of race times because they are so light. Didn't realise that the Kayano's were 'heavy' but I'm new to the running game so don't know the difference. Anyone got advice on racing flats and pairs to recommend?

bazman

My racing shoe recommendations:
Brooks T4/T5 racer
Nike Zoom Marathoner
Asics DS Racer (particularly for wet conditions)

Clum

copacetic wrote: »

I was fitted in the US twice and UK once and came out neutral all 3 times. I was rec'd the nimbus or the triumph or the wave rider and have gotten on well with them all, however based on the fact that I had kayanos that work for me the advice was that there is absolutely no reason for me not to wear them.

I ran the Dublin marathon in Kayanos a few years back and got on fine in them. Attempting to take my training to another level I got my gait analysed (amphibian king) and was told I was a neutral runner. Chose the Nimbus from the three types of shoes offered to me and felt much more comfortable in them. Running times improved too.

I don't think Kayanos were doing me any damage but I'd big improvements in times after moving to the correct type of shoe.

(I've since moved on to a neutral New Balance shoe, the MR1062, and think it's a far better shoe).

geoff29

bazman wrote: »

Asics DS Racer (particularly for wet conditions)

hmmm... are they in the arnotts sale btw? Stillorgan had very limited selection - dunno did anyone notice these in town?

nike marathoner - I mean you gotta be doing some serious pace to justify something like that right?!

now if only i could find some more of those cheapo asics vertigos!

damianmckeever

Hey copacetic

We get some customers into the shop and they have run in everything from the Brooks Beast to the Nike mayfly and have never had any running related injury. These people don't tend to get injured very often and can get away with running in most shoes. However prob a larger percentage of the population would notice a massive difference between the Brooks Beast and the Nike Mayfly.

Some customers will come into us and they appear to have too much support in a shoe. We show them the video of themselves running on the track and explain what the extra support is doing as they run and leave it up to them. These are not supinated runners but neutral runners that are in a supportive cushioned shoe.

I'd suggest (without having seen you run or any history other than what you've posted here) you could prob run in a neutral shoe or a slightly supportive shoe like the kayano. The fact that you've been running so long in the Kayano injury free and you don't really like the neutral options I'd say you are better off staying in the Kayano.

By the way Bazman we have those asics racers in stock, we haven't got great feedback from the ones we've sold!!

copacetic

thanks for the input damian, personally the only injuries I've had apart from some shin splints years back was a plantar issue brought on by racing in lighter shoes without getting used to them first. nike air streak ekiden I think a long while back.

The the one thing I personally do seem to need is the cushioning, for me at least the extra gel in the kayano 14 makes it feel more cushioned that the nimbus or the cumulus..

copacetic

I should mention that I've heard nothing but good things about the store and have been meaning to get out to get fitted for a pair of performance trainers or racers. Have so many shoes it is hard to justify though! However will be out soon, especially since you sponsor a good friend of mine now..

superjosh9

Someone told me the arnotts sale is ending this week - so I legged it in yesterday and picked up a pair of Adidas 1130s for €47.50. Wasn't expecting much..

I ran 5 miles in them last night and they are so good that I thought I had better post here. I'm 5-8, 150 lbs with dodgy legs. I run on the fore-foot btw and these suit me very well - the level of comfort is amazing. I've had Kayanos etc. before which I always found very unyielding, which is what I suppose they are supposed to be, but the 1130s are very soft - and I highly recommend them.

If anyone is looking for another shoe to alternate with - I think the sale is ending this week, I could be wrong though!

Krusty_Clown

A bit off of the Arnotts theme, but I'm a neutral, and have opted for Kinsei's the last two times I've been out to Amphibian King, as they just seem to have a better fit than the alternatives.

The first time, I got fitted with the Kinsei 1 (2007?) in a size 44.5.
Second time I got fitted with the Kinsei 2 (2008) in a size 45.

Problem is that the Kinsei 2 just isn't as comfortable, and if I use it for my longer runs (20 miles) can be assured that it will result in blistering, around the tops of my toes. Do you think that this could be down to the changes to the Kinsei 2, or the extra half-size? My socks are fine. Is it still possible to get the original Kinsei 1, or should I try and find an alternative shoe? My original Kinsei fits like a glove, but must be pretty close to the 500 miles, so I'm saving it for the marathon in just over four weeks.