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Which networks have full 3G?

  • 18-06-2008 12:07pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭


    Hi

    Is it only 3 and Vodafone that have full 3G coverage? I thought O2 didn't but I was told by a sales assistant that they do in fact have full 3G. Does anyone know if this is true.
    Also, apparently for vodafone I have to "go through" vodafone live to be covered by their data plans. What does this mean, can I load opera mini on my phone and browse straight to a 3rd party website or do I have to browse to vodafone live and go from there, or what?

    Thanks

    Dave


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,426 ✭✭✭billbond4


    What do you mean by "Full 3G coverage" do you mean by population/area or HSDPA capabilities?

    O2/Three/Vodafone have HSDPA, but you would have to verify by testing or asking in a shop if there is HSDPA coverage in the area you want.
    Meteor will be bringing out HSDPA this year also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭cracker


    I meant HSDPA capability, I thought that O2 only had EDGE.

    Does anyone know what the restrictions are with the data plans for Vodafone and O2? I am with 3 at the moment and for 5euro/month I can download emails from any IMAP or POP account and browse the web with Opera Mini from my phone. I don't want to use the phone as a modem, just connect to the internet on my phone. Will the 9.99 and 7.50 packages from vodafone and o2 respectively allow me to do this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,426 ✭✭✭billbond4


    O2 have EDGE when you go outside their HSDPA areas.
    Im using the O2 7.5e package to have full internet (with no restrictions) on my phone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,584 ✭✭✭✭Creamy Goodness


    O2 definitely have HSDPA, if they don't i'd like to know how they are getting those speeds on their mobile broadband packages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭Walkman


    3 probably have the greatest HSDPA coverage. You can use your handset as a modem, on 3pay you can buy the add ons for the prepay modem through my3 and use your phone instead


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    billbond4 wrote: »

    O2/Three/Vodafone have HSDPA.

    When did Vodafone upgrade to HSDPA?, Vodafone is a 2.5g Network, They barley make the 3G Grade let alone the 3.5G that 3 and 02 have.....

    From what i've read latley Vodafone will not be upgrading to HSDAP anytime soon....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 icecube


    Im on vodafone and they are definitley 3g only some areas (very rural areas) are still on 2.5g

    your on meteor arent you? :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    icecube wrote: »
    Im on vodafone and they are definitley 3g only some areas (very rural areas) are still on 2.5g

    your on meteor arent you? :p


    Vodafone 3G is 2.5G, when 3G comes up on your vodafone fone that means your now in a 2.5G area.....techinally 2.5G counts as 3G but it sure aint 3.5G...don't you just love vodafone customers and there blind faith:D

    As for me being on meteor, i'm not but my brother is, but guess who he uses for his brodband? I'll give you a hint, it's not meteor or vodafone....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭cracker


    So O2 definitely have HSDPA? I want to get a phone with HSDPA but no point in doing that if I sign up to a network that don't provide it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭brophis


    Vodafone 3G is 2.5G, when 3G comes up on your vodafone fone that means your now in a 2.5G area.....techinally 2.5G counts as 3G but it sure aint 3.5G...don't you just love vodafone customers and there blind faith:D
    If that's so then how do how do vodafone provide up to 3.6mbps connection on their mobile broadband service, with a HSDPA capable modem no less?

    I'm not a vodafone customer btw.

    To my knowledge I thought GSM was 2G, EDGE 2.5G, 3G well 3G, and HSDPA 3.5G. (Not to mention some other standards)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    brophis wrote: »
    If that's so then how do how do vodafone provide up to 3.6mbps connection on their mobile broadband service, with a HSDPA capable modem no less?

    They don't provide up to 3.6mbps...

    Quote Vodafone... "Vodafone 3G broadband is capable of maximum download speeds of up to 3 Mbs in optimum conditions"

    Show me an ad where Vodafone say 3.6mps, all the ads say is they offer 3g broadband (the don't mention speed;))


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,265 ✭✭✭MiCr0


    Vodafone 3G is 2.5G, when 3G comes up on your vodafone fone that means your now in a 2.5G area.....techinally 2.5G counts as 3G but it sure aint 3.5G

    thats just inaccurate

    vodafone have
    2g (gsm)
    2.5g (gprs)
    3g (umts)
    3.5g (hsdpa)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭dub_skav


    MiCr0 wrote: »
    thats just inaccurate

    vodafone have
    2g (gsm)
    2.5g (gprs)
    3g (umts)
    3.5g (hsdpa)

    This is true


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,426 ✭✭✭billbond4


    dub_skav wrote: »
    This is true

    Nearly true.
    2g (gsm/gprs)
    2.5g (edge) ---> Which Vodafone dont have, only O2 and Meteor have EDGE
    3g (umts)
    3.5g (hsdpa)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,265 ✭✭✭MiCr0


    most people discribe EDGE as being 2.75g


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭h57xiucj2z946q


    Vodafone 3G is 2.5G, when 3G comes up on your vodafone fone that means your now in a 2.5G area.....techinally 2.5G counts as 3G but it sure aint 3.5G...don't you just love vodafone customers and there blind faith:D

    Comming from a mobile communications background, that don't make sence.

    Also Vodafone does provide HSDPA.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/20/first_hsdpa_in_ireland/
    http://hikarunogo.co.uk/phorum-3.4.8a/read.php?f=41&i=3759&t=3759


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,426 ✭✭✭billbond4


    Yeah since the naming convention for 2.5g ,2.75g and 3g was never nailed down by any international Telecomms standard.
    People have different ideas on what protocols 2.5g ,2.75g and 3g fit into


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭slegs


    billbond4 wrote: »
    Nearly true.
    2g (gsm/gprs)
    2.5g (edge) ---> Which Vodafone dont have, only O2 and Meteor have EDGE
    3g (umts)
    3.5g (hsdpa)

    This is the actual mapping

    2g (gsm circuit switched)
    2.5g (GPRS)
    2.75g (edge)
    3g (umts)
    3.5g (hsdpa)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭whisht


    God how confusing this thread has become!!!

    Vodafone, O2 and 3 ALL have HSDPA which "theoretically" will allow speeds of 3.6Mb download, but in practice, in an area of very good coverage, you will get about 3Mb


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    Just to confuse it all, O2 has 7.2 HSDPA allowing a theoretical 7.2Mb download speed. The black Hauwei e270 modem is 7.2 enabled.

    To add more fuel to the fire Meteor have a HSDPA/3G network too, albeit a thin one but they are embarking on an aggressive rollout very soon.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭whisht


    Just to confuse it all, O2 has 7.2 HSDPA allowing a theoretical 7.2Mb download speed. The black Hauwei e270 modem is 7.2 enabled.

    To add more fuel to the fire Meteor have a HSDPA/3G network too, albeit a thin one but they are embarking on an aggressive rollout very soon.

    O2 have the E170 and the E270 modems which are both 7.2M down and 2M up, but the network has not had the 7.2 switched on yet although it should be arriving soon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    whisht wrote: »
    ....but the network has not had the 7.2 switched on yet...
    Are you sure......? I'm sure ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Comming from a mobile communications background, that don't make sence.

    Also Vodafone does provide HSDPA.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/20/first_hsdpa_in_ireland/
    http://hikarunogo.co.uk/phorum-3.4.8a/read.php?f=41&i=3759&t=3759


    They all provide HSDPA, There's different versions, you can provide HSDPA over a 2.5(3g) Network and call it 3G HSDPA but it ain't 3.5G - Vodafone does not have a 3.5G Network......that press release above is 2 years old.....paper never refused Ink;)


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    When did Vodafone upgrade to HSDPA?, Vodafone is a 2.5g Network, They barley make the 3G Grade let alone the 3.5G that 3 and 02 have.....

    From what i've read latley Vodafone will not be upgrading to HSDAP anytime soon....

    I think not.
    Ireland:
    • Vodafone launched an HSDPA service on 14 November 2006 which currently covers 59% of the country's population [6].
    • O2 offers HSDPA nationwide since July 2007.
    • 3 will deploy their HSDPA network from January 2007, aiming to cover 85% of the population by February 2007 [7]. A HSDPA datacard was introduced on December 15, 2006.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    You dead wrong there drunky monkey. Vodafone, 3 and O2 all have 3.5G HSDPA.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 Black Eye Guy


    Vodafone do have HSDPA, and speeds of up to 3.6, the reason they wont put speeds on adds is cuz(and this applies to all networks) you can't guarantee to get 3.6 cuz it depends on things like how many people are using it in the area.

    The 9.99eu deal will give you 500mb of data, which can be used to browse the internet and pull emails (you have to specifically go into email client and connect to get them)

    They also have Vodafone Business email which is like €18 and will automatically send your emails to your handset.

    Not sure if Live can be used with Opera. The reason it has to go through live is cuz theirs 2 different connections: Live and ISP. If you connect through Live you are charged a one off fee (Unless you have the bundle) whereas if you connect through ISP your charged for how much content you view. If you can change your settings in Opera to connect through Live you'll be able to use the bundle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    jmccrohan wrote: »
    I think not.

    Your correct Vodafone did launch a 3G HSDPA(2.5G) network in 2006 which is still running.....

    I'm not saying they don't have a HSDPA network, i'm saying they don't have a 3.5G network, 2 different things....


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Your correct Vodafone did launch a 3G HSDPA(2.5G) network in 2006 which is still running.....

    I'm not saying they don't have a HSDPA network, i'm saying they don't have a 3.5G network, 2 different things....
    Once again... I think not.

    Care to explain this without HSDPA?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭brophis


    I'm not saying they don't have a HSDPA network, i'm saying they don't have a 3.5G network, 2 different things....
    It seems that you're getting mixed up with your "G" nomenclature. As mentioned in previous posts 3.5G is HSDPA (or “3G on steroids”). It just cannot exist on a 2/2.5G network as that's not what HSDPA is. It's a contradiction to say 3G HSDPA(2.5G).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭frankymail


    I suggest you check out their Coverage Maps and see if these operators provide 3G coverage in realation to where you will be using 3G speeds most.

    O2's Coverage Map - http://www.o2online.ie/wps/wcm/connect/O2/Home/Shop/Broadband/Check+Coverage/

    Three's Coverage Map - http://www.three.ie/coverage/

    Vodafone's - http://www.vodafone.ie/coverage/

    As far as I know, all three of these operators supply 3.5G HSDPA Coverage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭theCzar


    On a mere point of telecoms, EDGE and the slightly older, slower GPRS are both 2.5G, in that they are tacked on to existing 2G network to increase data rates while still using core 2G technology of TDMA.

    I'm on O2, and don't use data side of things much but it never struck me as 3G I have to say... chug chug.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    To add more fuel to the fire Meteor have a HSDPA/3G network too, albeit a thin one but they are embarking on an aggressive rollout very soon.

    Where are eircom testing their 3G network at present ???

    The licence is not 'vested' in Meteor even if the service will eventually be 'branded' as Meteor , its eircom 3g for the moment :p

    They are also rolling out a tetra network


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 450 ✭✭tubos


    If HSDPA is 3.5G, what is HSPA? ;)


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    tubos wrote: »
    If HSDPA is 3.5G, what is HSPA? ;)
    GTFO and stop causing trouble :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Sponge Bob wrote: »

    They are also rolling out a tetra network

    WFT is a tetra network? Can you access over 18 content on it;)


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    WFT is a tetra network? Can you access over 18 content on it;)
    The main advantages of TETRA over other technologies (such as GSM) are:
    • the much lower frequency used gives longer range, which in turn permits very high levels of geographic coverage with a smaller number of transmitters, thus cutting infrastructure costs.
    • High spectral efficiency - 4 channels in 25 kHz and no guard bands, compared to GSM with 8 channels in 200 kHz and guard bands.
    • very fast call set-up - a one to many group call is generally set-up within 0.5 seconds (typical less than 250 msec for a single node call) compared with the many seconds (typically 7 to 10s) that are required for a GSM network.
    • Works at high speeds >400 km/h. TETRA was used during the French TGV train speed record on 3 April 2007 at 574.8 km/h.
    • the system contains several mechanisms, designed into the protocols and radio parameters, to ensure communication success even during overload situations (e.g. during major public events or disaster situations), thus calls will always get through unlike in cellular systems. The system also supports a range of emergency calling modes.
    • TETRA infrastructure is usually separate from (but connected to) that of the public (mobile) phone networks, resulting in (normally) no call charges for the system owners, substantially more diverse and resilient communications and it is easy to customise and integrate with data applications (vehicle location, GIS databases, dispatch systems etc).
    • unlike most cellular technologies, TETRA networks typically provide a number of fall-back modes such as the ability for a base station to process local calls. So called Mission Critical networks can be built with TETRA where all aspects are fail-safe/multiple-redundant.
    • in the absence of a network mobiles/portables can use 'direct mode' whereby they share channels directly (walkie-talkie mode).
    • gateway mode - where a single mobile with connection to the network can act as a relay for other nearby mobiles that are out of range of the infrastructure.
    • TETRA also provides a point-to-point function that traditional analogue emergency services radio systems did not provide. This enables users to have a one-to-one trunked 'radio' link between sets without the need for the direct involvement of a control room operator/dispatcher.
    • unlike the cellular technologies, which connect one subscriber to one other subscriber (one-to-one) then TETRA is built to do one-to-one, one-to-many and many-to-many. These operational modes are directly relevant to the public safety and professional users.
    • TETRA supports both air-interface encryption and End-to-end encryption
    • Rapid deployment (transportable) network solutions are available for disaster relief and temporary capacity provision.
    • Equipment is available from many suppliers around the world, thus providing the benefits of competition
    • Network solutions are available in both the older circuit-switched (telephone like) architectures and flat, IP architectures with soft (software) switches.
    • Allows uncensored access to redtube
    Yea, looks like it will suit drunkmonkey grand. ;)




    Click here if confused


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭whisht


    theCzar wrote: »
    On a mere point of telecoms, EDGE and the slightly older, slower GPRS are both 2.5G, in that they are tacked on to existing 2G network to increase data rates while still using core 2G technology of TDMA.

    I'm on O2, and don't use data side of things much but it never struck me as 3G I have to say... chug chug.

    I'm with Eircom and have a 3Mb line and this is my test just now

    288619109.png

    This one is on the O2 speedtest forum!! :mad:

    287598189.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭flodis79


    HSPA is the umbrella terms for HSDPA and HSUPA. HSDPA is high speed downlink, ie download, HSUPA is high speed uplink, but none of the irish network have that yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭fbradyirl


    frankymail wrote: »
    I suggest you check out their Coverage Maps and see if these operators provide 3G coverage in realation to where you will be using 3G speeds most.

    O2's Coverage Map - http://www.o2online.ie/wps/wcm/connect/O2/Home/Shop/Broadband/Check+Coverage/

    Three's Coverage Map - http://www.three.ie/coverage/

    Vodafone's - http://www.vodafone.ie/coverage/

    As far as I know, all three of these operators supply 3.5G HSDPA Coverage

    Anyone know where the o2 coverage map has moved to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    This is one complicated thread.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,340 CMod ✭✭✭✭Davy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭fbradyirl


    davton wrote: »

    thanks for that. I'm on an iPod touch here with no flash. Anyone know what the o2 3g is like in around Cavan?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭ProjectC


    my god this topic is gone way off


    network supported tech



    THree: HSPDA(3.6mbps 384kbps upload)

    vodafone Hspda(3.6mbps 384kbps upload)

    02 HSPDA + HSPU (7.2mbps 1.4mbps upload)
    EDGE 256kbps download entire network
    meteor HSPDA (3.6mbps 384 upload) * NOT FULLY ONLINE

    EDGE 256kbps download entire network



    is that clear lol!!!


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