Is this good value?

aido182

Hi all,

I've been looking for a DSLR recently and looked at different options from the Sony Alpha 200 to the Canon EOS range. I have just found in ebay a package with the following...

Canon EOS 400D
Canon EF-S 18-55 lens
Canon EF 75-300 lens
4 GB Compact Flash card
USB Compact Flash reader
All weather carry bag

All for approx € 730 including delivery

OR, should I go for the newer 450D for € 658 from Komplett.ie which only comes with the 18-55 lens.

Im new to the SLR world so any feedback would be great. And to all those who have already answered earlie threads, thanks to them and I promise, I'll make a decision soon...

aido182

I've just re-read my own thread and it is kinda startin to look like a no brainer, but still, feedback would be appreciated.

5uspect

Looks like a decent deal but you may soon grow out of those lenses.
All I can say is buyer beware when shopping on ebay!!!

Ninja_scrotum

Get a 40d, TRUST ME!!!!

I was in your position only two months ago, beginner photographer hmmm, my first SLR a shiny 400d wow this camera is the shizniz it's gonna last me forever it's great!

Two months later (right about now) I sell my 400d and I get a 40d. Because the second you try and do something that the 400d can't do, you begin to crave for a better camera. I was thinking "If only it could do this that the other..."

Don't get me wrong, the 400d is a great camera, served me well for two months but you will notice its limits soon after.

40d costs a tad more though :-/

Can you post a link to the 400d on ebay?

AnimalRights

As someone said you'll grow out of those lenses, 450D from Komplett I'd go for.
3" screen is far superior on it amongst other things.
When I bought my 24-105L in Conn's yesterday I had a feel of the 40D and it's just so much bigger then the 450D I hated it!

aido182

GREAT, thanks Ninja_Scrotum, you just go ahead and confuse liddle ole me even more!! :mad: LOL

Seriously though, I'd love to go that one step further to the 40D but that would spell immediate divorce (at best)!! Did you find your 400D to be a good entry level camera? TBH, I cant imagine myself having the time to get that far into photography so the entry level should do me for a while at least.

Here's the link....
http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=140241516812&Category=31388&_trksid=p3907.m29

Freddie59

aido182 wrote: »

GREAT, thanks Ninja_Scrotum, you just go ahead and confuse liddle ole me even more!! :mad: LOL

Seriously though, I'd love to go that one step further to the 40D but that would spell immediate divorce (at best)!! Did you find your 400D to be a good entry level camera? TBH, I cant imagine myself having the time to get that far into photography so the entry level should do me for a while at least.

Here's the link....
http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=140241516812&Category=31388&_trksid=p3907.m29

I got the 450D. I've seen it referred to in articles and reviews as a '40D Lite'. I've never looked back. Check your PMs.:)

5uspect

Personally I would consider 97.7% feedback to be low.
I usually take the decimal after the 99% as the rating cos I'm a paranoid type.

Ninja_scrotum

Sorry aido :-D

The 400d is a fecking great entry level camera, you wont be disappointed! Just type 400d into the search bar on flickr.com to see the great photos that can be taken with it.

But beware, when I got the 400d I was shocked and appalled to find that you can't use the lcd screen to see the shot you are taking, you have to peek through the little viewfinder, but you get used to it. (The 450d does allow you to use the lcd creen in this way though....)

And also, I was shocked to find that it didn't record video, I was like "what the ****!!! my ***ing 80euro argos camera can record video and this thing can't????!!!"

Good feckin camera though.

Ninja_scrotum

Hey check out this 450d deal on ebay. The whole lot would be about 730 including delivery. His feedback is pretty good, seems to have a lot of happy customers recently. Although he's from taiwan:eek:

Didn't stop me getting a 40d from him though:pac: 'tis on it's way.

Alanstrainor

Ninja_scrotum wrote: »

Hey check out this 450d deal on ebay. The whole lot would be about 730 including delivery. His feedback is pretty good, seems to have a lot of happy customers recently. Although he's from taiwan:eek:

Didn't stop me getting a 40d from him though:pac: 'tis on it's way.

Dont forget tax on top of that though! that adds roughly 24/25%

5uspect

Ninja_scrotum wrote: »

But beware, when I got the 400d I was shocked and appalled to find that you can't use the lcd screen to see the shot you are taking, you have to peek through the little viewfinder, but you get used to it. (The 450d does allow you to use the lcd creen in this way though....)

Live view has only been around on SLRs really since the current 1D MkIII 40D generation. There nothing appaling about not having it.

Ninja_scrotum

Dont forget tax on top of that though! that adds roughly 24/25%

This guy declares low value just like many other good ebay stores COUGH*KEA*COUGH

He emailed me and told me the exact amount he's going to declare, which if taxed at 25% will be feck all. Nobody can declare zero value because that illegal according to him! He's half legit anyways.

5uspect wrote: »

Live view has only been around on SLRs really since the current 1D MkIII 40D generation. There nothing appaling about not having it.

Yes it is appalling when you have live view on a 50euro piece of shit from argos and you go and spend up to a few thousand on some cameras with no live view. I understand the mechanics of it now though, but still, I was raging! Even me feckin' phone has live view!

Valentia

5uspect wrote: »

Personally I would consider 97.7% feedback to be low.

Yes. I would consider it very low.

freddie

I just bought a 450D kit with 4gig hdsd card for €638 inc delivery, best deal I could find on the web! got it from 7dayshop.com

hope that helps

freddie

Ricky91t

I'm not a great fan of these kits
They are like cheap food they just cram in pointless stuff to make it look better and more interesting
I think you'll be better off considering what you need it for.
You can get a 400D in Dublin buy it now and posted for €410 body only
That leaves you €320 for glass,you might not ever use the telephoto or you might want something with a better dof.So i think you should think about what you are going to shoot then ask on here about the best lense.Find a 400D body only then buy the glass you need

http://cgi.ebay.ie/Canon-EOS-400D-body-only-BRAND-NEW-IN-DUBLIN_W0QQitemZ330245195592QQihZ014QQcategoryZ31388QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Thats the 400D on ebay

Ricky91t

Sorry to double post
for €460 you can get
A 400D an 18-55 and

1. New *4GB* CF Memory Card
2. 5-piece Deluxe Lens Cleaning Kit
3. CF Memory Card Reader
4. *Extra* New High Capacity Li-ion Battery
5. Deluxe Camera Case
6. Mini Tripod






http://cgi.ebay.ie/CANON-REBEL-XTi-EOS-400D-CAMERA-LENS-4GB-CF-6-BONUS_W0QQitemZ130231482559QQihZ003QQcategoryZ31388QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
So Basically they are charging you €270 for a 75-300 and an all weather bag

And you can get a 75-300 for around €140 from hong kong

aido182

Hi folks,

Thanks to everyone who replied with advice and opinions. I finally bit the bullet and ordered a 450D so hopefully I'll be able to post the results here soon

Cheers,
Adrian

jackdaw

Ninja_scrotum wrote: »

Get a 40d, TRUST ME!!!!

I was in your position only two months ago, beginner photographer hmmm, my first SLR a shiny 400d wow this camera is the shizniz it's gonna last me forever it's great!

Two months later (right about now) I sell my 400d and I get a 40d. Because the second you try and do something that the 400d can't do, you begin to crave for a better camera. I was thinking "If only it could do this that the other..."

Don't get me wrong, the 400d is a great camera, served me well for two months but you will notice its limits soon after.

40d costs a tad more though :-/



Can you post a link to the 400d on ebay?

What exactly can the 400D not do that the 40D can ??

all i can think of is faster frame per second rate ..

Freddie59

jackdaw wrote: »

What exactly can the 400D not do that the 40D can ??

all i can think of is faster frame per second rate ..

Live view.

garbanz0

Seems like there's less risk going for the 7dayshop offer. Do you really need the other lenses??? Is your budget really tight?

You know the feeling, the moment you try your new PC and the first site you come across has the next generation processor at half the price.

If you own it, it is already obsolete.

Most of my cameras are 40 years old or more, but my 400D is great fun.

5uspect

Unless you need the extra fps for sports or live view for accurate macro focusing the 400D is a damn good camera.

Personally I'm considering upgrading to a 40D sometime but I'll be keeping my 350D.

oshead

jackdaw wrote: »

What exactly can the 400D not do that the 40D can ??

all i can think of is faster frame per second rate ..

Handles signal to noise much better. Feels more substantial in your hand. The controls are more intuitive. Measures light much more accurately. Has a faster processor. DOF setting actually works.

Dave OS

Ninja_scrotum

jackdaw wrote: »

What exactly can the 400D not do that the 40D can ??

Higher iso, live view, less noise, faster fps, spot metering, that highlight tone priority thing which reduces burnt out highlights, those 3 custom modes... can't think of any more at the moment. And I don't even have the camera yet! So imagine what else I'll discover when it arrives.

Freddie59

Ninja_scrotum wrote: »

Higher iso, live view, less noise, faster fps, spot metering, that highlight tone priority thing which reduces burnt out highlights, those 3 custom modes... can't think of any more at the moment. And I don't even have the camera yet! So imagine what else I'll discover when it arrives.

Very like the 450D - apart from the 6 fps.:)

Ricky91t

Freddie59 wrote: »

Very like the 450D - apart from the 6 fps.:)

6.5fps

Ninja_scrotum

The 450d has all of those minus 6fps?

I read somewhere that since an extra 2million pixels are packed onto the same size sensor as the 400d there would be more noise. That true?

Paulw

jackdaw wrote: »

What exactly can the 400D not do that the 40D can ??

all i can think of is faster frame per second rate ..

Go to - www.canon.ie
Click on Products
Click Digital SLR
Click the check box on 450D and the 40D then click Compare.

Now you can see all the differences, side by side.

Simple as that.

Freddie59

ricky91t wrote: »

6.5fps

Oooooooooooops!:o:D

Freddie59

Paulw wrote: »

Go to - www.canon.ie
Click on Products
Click Digital SLR
Click the check box on 450D and the 40D then click Compare.

Now you can see all the differences, side by side.

Simple as that.

That is a deadly handy thing! Interesting to see the comparison alright.

jackdaw

oshead wrote: »

Handles signal to noise much better. Feels more substantial in your hand. The controls are more intuitive. Measures light much more accurately. Has a faster processor. DOF setting actually works.

Dave OS

OK lads you've convinced me !!!

Live view i wouldn't care about .. but the rest .. wow ...

but I only got my 400d last August ..
im really tempted here .. Kea has a great price on the 40D body..

I shouldn't to be honest I don't need the 40D ... not yet anyway ...

maybe I'll leave it another year and then just get a 5D mkII