Provincial attendences

dc69

Here is a list regards the club attendences throughout the year.Stats for home games only.


........................................Total number of matches........................................................................
..................................9.................................................3...........................................................


..........................Magners average........................Heineken cup average.........stadium capacitys..........

Leinster....................14,361...................................17,799..............................18,500.......................

Munster....................6,757.................................... 12,487.............................12,500.......................

Connaught.................2,260.....................................0.................................... 7,000.......................

Ulster.......................9,661.....................................10,335..............................12,000......................

Ireland total avg.........8,260.....................................13,540.............................................................

patmac

Connacht attendance is poor but not as bad as Glasgow. Obviously Munster's would be higher if they had a bigger capacity. Does anyone watch rugby in Scotland 2500 average for Magners and 4000 average for HC, Rugby seems to be really dying on it's arse over there.

dc69

patmac wrote: »

Connacht attendance is poor but not as bad as Glasgow. Obviously Munster's would be higher if they had a bigger capacity. Does anyone watch rugby in Scotland 2500 average for Magners and 4000 average for HC, Rugby seems to be really dying on it's arse over there.

Ditched the rest and just kept the irish stats.

Teg Veece

Most of Munster's ML matches were played in Musgrave, not Thomond. Capacity 8000?

themont85

patmac wrote: »

Connacht attendance is poor but not as bad as Glasgow. Obviously Munster's would be higher if they had a bigger capacity. Does anyone watch rugby in Scotland 2500 average for Magners and 4000 average for HC, Rugby seems to be really dying on it's arse over there.

It would be for the HC without a doubt, dunno bout ML.

thehighground

themont85 wrote: »

It would be for the HC without a doubt, dunno bout ML.

Nice, modern, comfortable venue would be very attractive imo, though it will always be difficult for people from outside Cork to get to MP by 7pm on a Friday night in the dead of winter with no public transport etc., etc!

BTW, the capacity of Musgrave Park is about 7,500 and not 12,500 as implied in the stats above.

Fair play to Ulster, bearing in mind the season they've had.

Robbo

There's no way the capacity of the Sportsground could realistically be calculated at 7000. Half that would be a full house for Magners games.

Amazotheamazing

The Sportsground could only hold 7,000 if we put a few thousand on the pitch.

Percentage wise, Musgrave was close to sold out for every game there this year. Fact is, Cork needs a bigger stadium. Will be interesting to see what ML attendances are like in the new Thomond.

[Jackass]

Amazotheamazing wrote:

Percentage wise, Musgrave was close to sold out for every game there this year. Fact is, Cork needs a bigger stadium. Will be interesting to see what ML attendances are like in the new Thomond.

Yeah but if Munster were playing in Croke park and bringing 60,000 people to every game then percentage wise, they wouldn't be doing a good job at selling out games.

To be honest it's no excuse, Musgrave is 8,500 capacity and they only sold it out once or twice all season. And surley there's enough support in Cork anyway to be able to sell it out if the Limerick lads can't travel. If Munster can get 60,000 people to Cardiff they should be able to get 8,500 to Cork once every two weeks, if only they would bother going.

The average attendence is 1,500 of 8,500 short, that's a lot of space in the ground to be able to fit another 1,500 thousand in each week, for such a small ground in the first place.

But I do think Thomond will make a big difference nextyear, especially in it's first year as everybody will be looking for an excuse to go and see the new stadium! Can't wait to travel down myself and check it out.

I think Leinster and Ulsters stats are pretty impressive though, week in week out more or less selling out games regardless of time of season or competition.

Connacht is absolutley abysmol, especially when you consider there is usually a minimum of 500 - 1000 visiting supporters at any given ML game. At a glance at individual match attendences for Connacht, it looks like games are usually more around the 1,500 attendence mark and the average is brought up by 5,000 people going to interpro games.

So maybe on any given game in ML there could be 1,000 connacht fans and 500 visiting fans in the ground.

I'm not being bad, but it's not really making a case for why IRFU should invest in Connacht when the crowds don't even bother showing up. Granted, I know investment will produce interest, which will increase attendences, but there's not much of a core base to work with there, is there?

But it's a serious problem that needs to be sorted out.

il gatto

For starters Connacht are based in Galway, a city with a far smaller population than Dublin, Cork, Limerick or Belfast. In fact, for the size of the city, Connacht have more supporters per head than Leinster. Connact also has the least counties, smallest population etc. There is almost no public transport. Personally, I don't get to many games due to match days and kick off times.
Galway is also a hotbed of hurling and gaelic. Galway doesn't even have a very successful soccer team. Athlone would actually be more of a rugby town than Galway in some respects.
I also think Connacht have failed to be inclusive of areas outside Galway, even in Galway county. They don't seem to promote in any of the larger towns such as Sligo, Castlebar, Ballina etc. Only those who follow rugby already would have any idea of their league placing, squad, results etc.
With the crappy stadium, insular marketing and fanbase as well as the under funding, their doing o.k. really. They need a bit more cash, some inspiration and alot of hard work to compete with the other provinces.
Otherwise, Ulster's figures are very impressive considering the season they've endured, Leinster's are very impressive (as they should be) and Munster look bad due to ground capacity, even though I still think Musgrave Park should've been full every match.

dc69

thehighground wrote: »

Nice, modern, comfortable venue would be very attractive imo, though it will always be difficult for people from outside Cork to get to MP by 7pm on a Friday night in the dead of winter with no public transport etc., etc!

BTW, the capacity of Musgrave Park is about 7,500 and not 12,500 as implied in the stats above.

Fair play to Ulster, bearing in mind the season they've had.

Those stats are off the erc website.you can verify if u want.

Munsters for the magners league,I may have the wrong capacity.
Still terrible attendences imo.

Connaught not looking too good at all.Something needs to be done quick.

Ulster going steady.

Leinsters are very good.

RugbyFanatic

In fairness Dublin has such a high population that of course it will have better attendences

dc69

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

In fairness Dublin has such a high population that of course it will have better attendences

This team brought 60,000 to an away match.

Zzippy

[Jackass] wrote: »

Connacht is absolutley abysmol, especially when you consider there is usually a minimum of 500 - 1000 visiting supporters at any given ML game. At a glance at individual match attendences for Connacht, it looks like games are usually more around the 1,500 attendence mark and the average is brought up by 5,000 people going to interpro games.

So maybe on any given game in ML there could be 1,000 connacht fans and 500 visiting fans in the ground.

I'm not being bad, but it's not really making a case for why IRFU should invest in Connacht when the crowds don't even bother showing up. Granted, I know investment will produce interest, which will increase attendences, but there's not much of a core base to work with there, is there?

But it's a serious problem that needs to be sorted out.

It's spelt abysmal

I don't know where you're getting your 500-1000 visiting supporters from! Maybe in Dublin, with all the cheap Ryanair flights from everywhere. You'd be doing well to see 50 visiting fans from the UK teams for a ML game in Galway, and that's being generous. Off the top of my head I can only recall 2 games against UK teams in the ML where I noticed any number visiting fans.
As someone else said, Connacht has the smallest population, smallest number of clubs and players, and is hampered by the popularity of GAA (not that I don't like GAA too). Its growing though, I believe faster than any other province, and that can only be helped by having a professional team in the province.

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

The Sportsground could only hold 7,000 if we put a few thousand on the pitch.

I don't know where they get that 7,000 from. Maybe that was when they had the temporary stands for the Challenge Cup semi a few years ago.

daveirl

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Chucky the tree

[Jackass] wrote: »

ee the new stadium! Can't wait to travel down myself and check it out.

I think Leinster and Ulsters stats are pretty impressive though, week in week out more or less selling out games regardless of time of season or competition.

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So that's why Leinster are 4,000 short on average? Becuase there selling out nearly every game.


Interesting.

[Jackass]

daveirl wrote: »

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From http://www.magnersleague.com
Musgrave Capacity: 8,500

Munster home ML games this season:
Llanelli 3,400
Cardiff 6,075
Edinburgh 8,300
Dragons 8,250
Leinster 8,300
Connacht 6,125
Ulster 7,500
Ospreys 7,500
Glasgow 5,360

Chucky the tree wrote:

So that's why Leinster are 4,000 short on average? Becuase there selling out nearly every game.


Interesting.

By selling out I mean meeting potential crowds, obviously we're only one full season in the RDS as Donnybrook had become too small, but we're not going to stay in a 7,000 capacity ground up until we're reaching potential crowds of 18,500 for every game.

So we moved and crowds jumped up a large amount (can't remember %) but we've gotten the most crowds to games every season for the past 2 or 3 years. It'll keep growing and I'd imagine the next step would be when RDS is packed every week we'll move to Lansdowne road for ML games but only open the bottom tiers, so it will probably give it a capacity of about 25,000, and obviously open up the whole thing for HC games, that wont be for a few years though I'd say. Eventually looking for a permanent move to Lansdowne as our home ground. That's the plan anyway.

But you don't stay in a ground if you're literally "selling it out" every week or it wouldn't make commercial sense, you move to something bigger.

Amazotheamazing

daveirl wrote: »

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True, and as a fan based in Limerick, i can confirm getting down to Cork for a half 7 kick-off on a Friday requires taking time off work. Funnily enough, my boss isn't too keen on me skipping out early to watch rugby.

Course, this thread isn't about the fact that most of Munster's games this season have been sold out. it's seemingly about chiding Munster for not fitting 60,000 fans into a stadium with an 8,000 or so capacity. I'm not a physics expert, perhaps the OP will outline how the Munster branch should manage that?:rolleyes:

marco_polo

[Jackass] wrote: »

From http://www.magnersleague.com
Musgrave Capacity: 8,500

Munster home ML games this season:
Llanelli 3,400
Cardiff 6,075
Edinburgh 8,300
Dragons 8,250
Leinster 8,300
Connacht 6,125
Ulster 7,500
Ospreys 7,500
Glasgow 5,360

How on earth did the Dragons game get the third highest attendance?

marco_polo

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

True, and as a fan based in Limerick, i can confirm getting down to Cork for a half 7 kick-off on a Friday requires taking time off work. Funnily enough, my boss isn't too keen on me skipping out early to watch rugby.

Course, this thread isn't about the fact that most of Munster's games this season have been sold out. it's seemingly about chiding Munster for not fitting 60,000 fans into a stadium with an 8,000 or so capacity. I'm not a physics expert, perhaps the OP will outline how the Munster branch should manage that?:rolleyes:

I assume that the Leinster support base is completely immune to bandwaggoners and event junkies and thus would only bring 14,000 fans to a Heineken Cup final .

dc69

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

it's seemingly about chiding Munster for not fitting 60,000 fans into a stadium with an 8,000 or so capacity. I'm not a physics expert, perhaps the OP will outline how the Munster branch should manage that?:rolleyes:

What are you on about?
The Munster Branch would be better off trying to fill the 8,000 stadium they currently use tbh.

Its perfectly right to question how a team can get 60,000 fans to go to an away game but cant even get decent crowds for their games every second friday night at home?

hmmm .......Bandwagoners?

No,its cause they dont take the ML seriously:rolleyes:

3 times this season Munsters grounds have been close to full capacity.the rest, no where close!

You seem to pertain that the releasing of attendence stats are a jibe at Munster?

Chucky the tree wrote: »

So that's why Leinster are 4,000 short on average? Becuase there selling out nearly every game.


Interesting.

Leinster cant manage to fill a 20,000 stadium but come close,Munster cant manager to fill an 8,000 stadium,but come close.

Crash

marco_polo wrote: »

How on earth did the Dragons game get the third highest attendance?

Marco, I'd take a guess at maybe a two match ticket for it and leinster? just a guess though.

marco_polo

crash_000 wrote: »

Marco, I'd take a guess at maybe a two match ticket for it and leinster? just a guess though.

That sound very likely alright. I was thinking it might have been over christmas or something like that,

Amazotheamazing

Funnily enough, both the Ulster and Ospreys games were sold out, all ticket affairs. iirc. No idea why the oddly even number of 7,500 is listed for both. As was Leinster and Edinburgh, and Dragons or near enough. The 3 HEC games were also sold out. 8 sold games out of 13. of the remaining 5, 2 were 3/4's full (Cardiff and Connacht). I'm happy with that, maybe your boss gives you time off for good behaviour on Friday, mine doesn't.

That's pretty impressive, no matter how much you wish it wasn't.

Also makes a pretty compelling case for building a bigger stadium in Cork, will be interesting to see how the mB juggle commitments to Thomond and Musgrave.

Amazotheamazing

marco_polo wrote: »

That sound very likely alright. I was thinking it might have been over christmas or something like that,

Don't think the MB structure ticket sales that way, chances are it was a non AIL Saturday which allowed more people travel to it.

marco_polo

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Funnily enough, both the Ulster and Ospreys games were sold out, all ticket affairs. iirc. No idea why the oddly even number of 7,500 is listed for both. As was Leinster and Edinburgh, and Dragons or near enough. The 3 HEC games were also sold out. 8 sold games out of 13. of the remaining 5, 2 were 3/4's full (Cardiff and Connacht). I'm happy with that, maybe your boss gives you time off for good behaviour on Friday, mine doesn't.

That's pretty impressive, no matter how much you wish it wasn't.

Also makes a pretty compelling case for building a bigger stadium in Cork, will be interesting to see how the mB juggle commitments to Thomond and Musgrave.

Lifes too short to read dc69s posts about Munster. His opinions on Munster supporters are pretty well established and the record is never changed

Amazotheamazing

marco_polo wrote: »

Lifes too short to read dc69s posts about Munster. His opinions on Munster supporters are pretty well established and the record is never changed

harsh, harsh but fair.

[Jackass]

Well hold on a second lads, no ones "wishing" they aren't good stats, I know it's in Cork and all that and I already said no doubt TP will see massive increase in the Munster attendences, I just think it's pretty poor that a 8,500 capacity ground isn't completley selling out without fail for the biggest team in Europe in the second biggest city in Ireland. I think it's a terrible show by Munster fans tbh and it's bizzare considering ye can get 60,000 over to Cardiff, and probably the only team in Europe that could do that, yet you can't fill a tiny stadium once every couple of weeks.

There's a lot more people in Cork than there is in Limerick, surely 8,500 of them are big enough fans to go to a game every now and then, no?

Anyway, it's a moot point. because as I said no doubt Thomond will change all that.

I agree the south needed a big stadium, but with Thomond being built now to 25,000 and Musgrave being developed after it to a 14,000 capacity stadium I think that is excellent facilitys. (Link to Musgrave redevelopment: http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2008/0111/sport/mheymhsnqlmh/)

Chucky the tree

dc69 wrote: »

What are you on about?
The Munster Branch would be better off trying to fill the 8,000 stadium they currently use tbh.

Its perfectly right to question how a team can get 60,000 fans to go to an away game but cant even get decent crowds for their games every second friday night at home?

hmmm .......Bandwagoners?

No,its cause they dont take the ML seriously:rolleyes:

3 times this season Munsters grounds have been close to full capacity.the rest, no where close!

You seem to pertain that the releasing of attendence stats are a jibe at Munster?


Leinster cant manage to fill a 20,000 stadium but come close,Munster cant manager to fill an 8,000 stadium,but come close.

Source: http://www.magnersleague.com/

Leinster 23 - 8 Edinburgh Rugby - 9,630
Leinster 23 - 52 Llanelli Scarlets - 9,439
Leinster 29 - 9 Connacht Rugby - 16,753
Leinster 29 - 0 Ulster - 18,230
Leinster 26 - 15 Ospreys -13,385
Leinster 24 - 17 Cardiff Blues - 14,322
Leinster 34 - 18 Glasgow Warriors -11,730
Leinster 21 - 12 Munster - 18,500
Leinster 41 - 8 Dragons 17,260


hmmm, If only munster could nearly sell-out all their home games like Leinster can...

Amazotheamazing

[Jackass] wrote: »

Well hold on a second lads, no ones "wishing" they aren't good stats, I know it's in Cork and all that and I already said no doubt TP will see massive increase in the Munster attendences, I just think it's pretty poor that a 8,500 capacity ground isn't completley selling out without fail for the biggest team in Europe in the second biggest city in Ireland. I think it's a terrible show by Munster fans tbh and it's bizzare considering ye can get 60,000 over to Cardiff, and probably the only team in Europe that could do that, yet you can't fill a tiny stadium once every couple of weeks.

There's a lot more people in Cork than there is in Limerick, surely 8,500 of them are big enough fans to go to a game every now and then, no?

Anyway, it's a moot point. because as I said no doubt Thomond will change all that.

I agree the south needed a big stadium, but with Thomond being built now to 25,000 and Musgrave being developed after it to a 14,000 capacity stadium I think that is excellent facilitys. (Link to Musgrave redevelopment: http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2008/0111/sport/mheymhsnqlmh/)

5 of the 9 ML games were sold out, including the two erroneously listed as 7,500. I'm pretty certain because on Munsterfans.com there was ticket threads for ML games for the first time this season.

Our 3 HEC games were sold out too.

I made a mistake in my earlier post, we have 12 home games a season, not 13. So 8 sold out games of 12. Come on, that's class. Stop the petty knocking.

Amazotheamazing

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Source: http://www.magnersleague.com/

Leinster 23 - 8 Edinburgh Rugby - 9,630
Leinster 23 - 52 Llanelli Scarlets - 9,439
Leinster 29 - 9 Connacht Rugby - 16,753
Leinster 29 - 0 Ulster - 18,230
Leinster 26 - 15 Ospreys -13,385
Leinster 24 - 17 Cardiff Blues - 14,322
Leinster 34 - 18 Glasgow Warriors -11,730
Leinster 21 - 12 Munster - 18,500
Leinster 41 - 8 Dragons 17,260


hmmm, If only munster could nearly sell-out all their home games like Leinster can...

oh, burn.

[Jackass]

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Source: http://www.magnersleague.com/

Leinster 23 - 8 Edinburgh Rugby - 9,630
Leinster 23 - 52 Llanelli Scarlets - 9,439
Leinster 29 - 9 Connacht Rugby - 16,753
Leinster 29 - 0 Ulster - 18,230
Leinster 26 - 15 Ospreys -13,385
Leinster 24 - 17 Cardiff Blues - 14,322
Leinster 34 - 18 Glasgow Warriors -11,730
Leinster 21 - 12 Munster - 18,500
Leinster 41 - 8 Dragons 17,260


hmmm, If only munster could nearly sell-out all their home games like Leinster can...

I think he was just responding to a point that RDS isn't being sold out for ML games either and he was making the point that Leinster are nearly, but not, selling out an 18,500 capacity ground where as Munster are nearly, but not, selling out a 8,500 capacity ground...

alias no.9

I'm assuming those figures are for attendance through the gates. Tickets for MP this year were very scarce on account of the small capacity and large number of season tickets. Given the difficulties in getting to MP for a friday night fixture many season ticket holders will have missed two or maybe three games often meaning their tickets went unused but couldn't be sold at the gate. The Munster Board have recognised this failing in the ticketing policy and next seasons MRSC season ticket holders will have a facility for returning their ticket if they can't make a game.

marco_polo

There is a pretty simple equasion here.

Leinster 2,200,000 / 14,000 = One supporter per 157 people

Munster 1,100,000 / 6700 = One per 164 people.

If you make some allowance for the for the fact that half the people in leinster live in the same city as the stadium, as opposed to about a quarter of the people in Munster when they play in Cork, then the figures are not really that different.

The jury rests :pac:

Chucky the tree

[Jackass] wrote: »

I think he was just responding to a point that RDS isn't being sold out for ML games either and he was making the point that Leinster are nearly, but not, selling out an 18,500 capacity ground where as Munster are nearly, but not, selling out a 8,500 capacity ground...

figures are from 2006
Population Munster: 1.1m
Population Leinster: 2.2m

Considering you mentioned how it surpises that the people of Cork cant attend the game for a bigger attendence I'll break it down by City aswell.

Population Cork:480k
Population Dublin: 1.1million

Now lets see what happens if we doubled Munster ground size and their attendences.

Capactiay 17,00
Llanelli 12,150
Cardiff 12,150
Edinburgh 16,600
Dragons 16,500
Leinster 16,600
Connacht 12,300
Ulster 15,00
Ospreys 15,000
Glasgow 10,720

total Attendence: 127,020

Leinster total attendence was 129,249

Now, If we factor in the size of cork compared to dublin I think it's extremely rich for Leinster fans to be trying to belittle Munster attendences.

marco_polo

Whats that they say about great minds chucky

Chucky the tree

Should of waited a few more minutes really. Your way took alot less time!

phog

Will ye give it a rest with the mine is bigger than yours mentality. Rugby attendances and viewing figures have increased and that can only be a good thing for the future of the game.

RuggieBear

yawn.

I'm a bigger fan than you all...

Amz

No you're not.

Crash

Posting just cus I can....My supporter penis is bigger than your supporter penis....

daveirl

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RuggieBear

pfft. fair weather fan!

if you were a real fan you'd hire a helicopter each week to get you to musgrave park.