Cocaine vaccine... would you give it to your kids?

j1smithy

Back in 2004, a company called Xenova, developed a vaccine for cocaine. It works by stopping the high associated with the drug. Seeing as we are in the grip of a cocaine crisis, do other AHers think this treatment should be part of the national immunisation programme? The say the drugs trade relies on supply, surely this would end it?

While I don't think it may be right to give it to kids, perhaps it should be introduced as a sentence for people caught in possession of small amounts of the drug... but thats my own opinion.

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Rb

j1smithy wrote: »

While I don't think it may be right to give it to kids, perhaps it should be introduced as a sentence for people caught in possession of small amounts of the drug... but thats my own opinion.

Erm, no.

Holsten

There is not a chance in hell I'd give it to my children.

Thats taking control over them too far, like whats next? An alcohol vaccine? A tobacco vaccine? A coffee vaccine?

I mean they're all drugs right? They are all technically bad.

TomCo

Nah, forcing a possibly experimental medical treatment on someone for something that doesnt really have a huge effect on anything but personal health is wrong.

I wouldn't want our ****ty government to have that kind of power, whats next? Sterilisations for immigrants? Lobotomies for political dissidents?

Another thing, such plan would give a single company an inordinate control over the lives of a populus. Which is totally insane because they cant be trusted to hold the interests of the people at heart.

j1smithy

TomCo wrote: »

I wouldn't want our ****ty government to have that kind of power, whats next? Sterilisations for immigrants? Lobotomies for political dissidents?
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Not governments, but parents.

j1smithy

Holsten wrote: »

There is not a chance in hell I'd give it to my children.

Thats taking control over them too far, like whats next? An alcohol vaccine? A tobacco vaccine? A coffee vaccine?

I mean they're all drugs right? They are all technically bad.

All technically bad, but not all class A drugs.

TomCo

j1smithy wrote: »

AHers think this treatment should be part of the national immunisation programme?

Implies government, tbh you can get parents to do whatever by scaring them enough. Remember when people though MMR caused Down's syndrome?

kowloon

And Ritalin to keep the kiddies interested in school!

bleg

there already is a nicotine vaccine under development.

i'm a 3rd year pharmacy student and i have moral objections to non-voluntary vaccinations of this type

Sherifu

If it works, fire it into them.

TomCo

I dont have a problem with the actual product, its a very interesting idea.
I wouldnt have a problem with it being offered as part of regular drugs rehabilitation so long as it was made clear that it wasnt a cure all easy answer.

I read that it's only successful in less than half of cases and it does nothing to stop the craving.

Voodu Child

Recent studies actually show that occasional cocaine use is good for children. Helps prevent mind cancer in later life apparently..

TomCo

voodoo_child wrote: »

Recent studies actually show that occasional cocaine use is good for children. Helps prevent mind cancer in later life apparently..

I though that was heroin?
Guess I've been giving the wrong junk to the kids at the park.

llort

two words:

Thalidomide

&

Tribunals.

these scumbags cant even be trusted to look after the infrastructure of the country without corrupting it, do you honestly think they can be trusted with the "health & safety" of our childern.

cocain is the current buzzword of the media and ratbag politicions, the very few people who die from it are those who have a toxic reaction to it and those ho havnt the cop on to take a sensible amount instead of doin the dog on it like it is goin out of fashion....which it probably is.

drunkmonkey

j1smithy wrote: »

The say the drugs trade relies on supply, surely this would end it?

ahh no.....people liked to get high 10,000 years ago and people will like to get high in another 10,000 years...

Moral of the story, people will always want to get high, legalise, educate and tax drugs, it's the only solution...

A war on drugs is a war on the ordinary man on the street...

It's a lovely evening i'm going to get out of my mind on some lovley legal cider!! Now if bulmers only made needles:D

KERPAL

Nice to see all the coke heads on boards.

elmolesto

Not a chance I would give that to my kids.

llort

to be honest i dont touch the ****e, its not worth a wánk, but id still rather let people take their chances with it, at least its been proven to be someway reasonably safe

ScumLord

I'm hoping my kids will do all the leg work for me, I'll be out of touch by then and won't know any dealers. This stuff would just ruin my plans.

Rb

KERPAL wrote: »

Nice to see all the coke heads on boards.

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KERPAL

Rb wrote: »

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robinph

A vaccine would imply that there is some kind of contagous disease that they might die from if they don't get given this drug. Wouldn't like to see that being used for anyone apart from possibly as part of a drugs treatment program, and then only if those being given it are aware of what is being done to them.

growler

j1smithy wrote: »

All technically bad, but not all class A drugs.

for now, what's to stop some do gooder deciding to outlaw booze or cigars at some future date.

personal choice, vaccination for possession of coke would be orwellian beyond belief.

humanji

This could be great for practical jokes. Find a cokehead and put it in his drink, then sit back and enjoy the confusion. And it'd be an interesting way to find out if they really are annoying c*nts or if it's the drugs.

Cokehead Mother

God no. I mean it's all fine and well to dictate what a child can do but eventually we'll both be adults and I don't want to have this sort of control over them for their whole lives.

Wertz

If someone invents a stupidity vaccine, I'd happily give my kids (or anyone) some of that....but why deny your children the right to make their own mistakes...including hard drugs.

The cocaine vaccine should be used for it's intended purpose; vaccinating those adults who wish to kick their habit for good.

TimTim

If you are forced to take it then you'll do what any other junkie does and go find a drug that will give you that high.

Tha Gopher

Cocaine in this country is a placebo anyway. Ive never been fond of it. Ive taken it on very rare occasion (like most of the country under 35 by now), usually when drunk and it was offered (well over a year now) and only twice could I say it had any type of pleasurable effect as opposed to merely giving that numbness feeling when you go to the dentist. However, on those same occasions Ive seen those around me go loop the loop on the same amount, leading me to believe some peoples minds are wired to act the way they think they should be acting from seeing people under the influence in films. A bit like how some people claim that if you feed someone non alcoholic beer without telling them it has no alcohol, by the 7th they are lively and jabbin like they had 7 beers. Or a story mate was telling me, back when they were 14 or so the lads decided to take the piss out of another lad who had never smoked hash before by giving him a "spliff" with nothing but tobacco in it and gaging his reaction. Upon smoking some of course, starts with the "aw yeah thats some good sh1t man, fookin whacked" and all the rest

Had the same trick tried on me when I was 18. Thankfully I passed by disappointingly exclaiming that I couldnt get a whack off it and was there anything in it. Phew....

So basically, kid gets the vaccine at 5. 12 years later they are at a house party, someone produces a bag of heavily cut cocaine, kid sniffs it and starts acting like he saw Tony Montana act, because thats what they feel it is meant to do.


As for whether Id have my kids get the vaccine, fook no. Presumably this works by tampering with something in the brain regulating happiness and pleasure, correct? God knows what type of damage this might cause when the kid is fully grown up, depression, sex drive/attraction and whatnot.

j1smithy

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Cocaine in this country is a placebo anyway. Ive never been fond of it. Ive taken it on very rare occasion (like most of the country under 35 by now), usually when drunk and it was offered (well over a year now) and only twice could I say it had any type of pleasurable effect as opposed to merely giving that numbness feeling when you go to the dentist. However, on those same occasions Ive seen those around me go loop the loop on the same amount, leading me to believe some peoples minds are wired to act the way they think they should be acting from seeing people under the influence in films. A bit like how some people claim that if you feed someone non alcoholic beer without telling them it has no alcohol, by the 7th they are lively and jabbin like they had 7 beers. Or a story mate was telling me, back when they were 14 or so the lads decided to take the piss out of another lad who had never smoked hash before by giving him a "spliff" with nothing but tobacco in it and gaging his reaction. Upon smoking some of course, starts with the "aw yeah thats some good sh1t man, fookin whacked" and all the rest

Had the same trick tried on me when I was 18. Thankfully I passed by disappointingly exclaiming that I couldnt get a whack off it and was there anything in it. Phew....

So basically, kid gets the vaccine at 5. 12 years later they are at a house party, someone produces a bag of heavily cut cocaine, kid sniffs it and starts acting like he saw Tony Montana act, because thats what they feel it is meant to do.


As for whether Id have my kids get the vaccine, fook no. Presumably this works by tampering with something in the brain regulating happiness and pleasure, correct? God knows what type of damage this might cause when the kid is fully grown up, depression, sex drive/attraction and whatnot.

The vaccine itself is a combination of the dead cholera virus mixed with the chemical signiture of cocaine. Thus when whe immune system sees cocaine in the system, it thinks it sees cholera and distroys it before it crosses the blood/brain barrier. Ingenious solution.

It surprises me the response this has generally recieved, overwhelming majority negative. Seems many people believe here they have the right to break the law, which is not the case. We do have a problem in this country with the white powder and we need radical ideas to solve it. Those who take it support the bloody violence we see in gangland, and then condemn it as if it had nothing to do with them. One poster mentioned that it was a personal choice (using coke) and had no effect on anyone else... It would be funny if it wasn't so untrue. Ask the countless people who have had their homes broken into, mugged, attacked by people high as the sky.

Admittidly the vaccine is meant to help people who are addicted, but like all medical advances will find other uses. Like the pill, meant to control an expanding population in developing countries mainly being used in the west.


But as for cocaine and peoples attitudes, for all we talk, I guess we're not ready to end the "party".

llort

j1smithy wrote: »

The vaccine itself is a combination of the dead cholera virus mixed with the chemical signiture of cocaine. Thus when whe immune system sees cocaine in the system, it thinks it sees cholera and distroys it before it crosses the blood/brain barrier. Ingenious solution.

It surprises me the response this has generally recieved, overwhelming majority negative. Seems many people believe here they have the right to break the law, which is not the case. We do have a problem in this country with the white powder and we need radical ideas to solve it. Those who take it support the bloody violence we see in gangland, and then condemn it as if it had nothing to do with them. One poster mentioned that it was a personal choice (using coke) and had no effect on anyone else... It would be funny if it wasn't so untrue. Ask the countless people who have had their homes broken into, mugged, attacked by people high as the sky.

Admittidly the vaccine is meant to help people who are addicted, but like all medical advances will find other uses. Like the pill, meant to control an expanding population in developing countries mainly being used in the west.


But as for cocaine and peoples attitudes, for all we talk, I guess we're not ready to end the "party".

but did you not see all the bill boards, "the cocaine party is over" - well according to Pat the Cope and Cúntface Harney.
yeah right.

yes coke eventually supports scumbag dealers who dont give one fúck what they give you cos its more money in the pocket.
but......why has a simple powder become equivilant and more than its wort in gold????
who makes these gangsters, muderers and scumbags billions and i mean billions?

Henhry J. Anslinger, the Hearst Foundation, Politicions funded by big Corporations in conjunction with the UN ect. ect.
cambodia never had a problem with grass for thousands of years, it was seen as an old mans vive and never touched by the young....until America had a problem with it. now when you receive 60% of your aid from america and they tell you to make some thing illegal, you do it right.
now cambodia is starting to have grass and other problems.

current governments who support this failed policy perpetuate this illegal trade.
its is extremely profitable for quite a lot of people for it to be illegal, both "goodies" and "baddies".

so decriminalise or legalise or whatever you want to call it, and turn it over to the governtment to tax, produce and control. psychiatric and blood tests, cat scans ect before deciding who is allowd to use it, 21 + and the death senntence/40 years mandatory for anyone suppling a minor.

you can tell people drugs are bad ect till youre blue in the face but they will still do it. right now its easier for young people to get stuff than it is drink, and that is in every village accross this country, not just towns ect.
and thats not right.

now you can bury your head in the sand or accept the problem for what it is and do something positive to reduce the harm caused.

or we can continue down the road were going cos its been immensly successful to date.

PS i dont like the idea of having cholera in my body

j1smithy

40 years in prison? There would be a massive cost to that. Loss of productivity and all that. Would it not be more appriopriate to take away a persons pleasure in enjoying coke? I mean i've often read on boards that castration is the only solution for rape...

pickarooney

Rb wrote: »

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Anyone else see that as a big hooter ploughing into a line of snow?

Kold

Howabouts we rip their dicks off too?

ScumLord

j1smithy wrote: »

40 years in prison? There would be a massive cost to that. Loss of productivity and all that. Would it not be more appriopriate to take away a persons pleasure in enjoying coke? I mean i've often read on boards that castration is the only solution for rape...

I feel I have the right to take any drugs I want. I've never gone on homicidal rampages or robbed to support my once in a blue moon "addiction". The problem isn't cocaine it's the current set up that encourages criminality.

Another way of stopping rape is to sow up women's vagina's so they can't be raped. Which is pretty much how current drug law works. **** the victim support the criminal.

Kold

We should also sterilise anyone over 40 so we could decrease the possibility of Down syndrome which'll also save the taxpayer a bit of cash.

sunnyjim

The Gopher wrote:

Or a story mate was telling me, back when they were 14 or so the lads decided to take the piss out of another lad who had never smoked hash before by giving him a "spliff" with nothing but tobacco in it and gaging his reaction. Upon smoking some of course, starts with the "aw yeah thats some good sh1t man, fookin whacked" and all the rest

I've heard this before... Please tell me you are from the Griffith Ave area of Dublin!

humanji wrote:

This could be great for practical jokes. Find a cokehead and put it in his drink, then sit back and enjoy the confusion. And it'd be an interesting way to find out if they really are annoying c*nts or if it's the drugs.

Bahahahaha!!

j1smithy

ScumLord wrote: »

I feel I have the right to take any drugs I want. I've never gone on homicidal rampages or robbed to support my once in a blue moon "addiction". The problem isn't cocaine it's the current set up that encourages criminality.

Another way of stopping rape is to sow up women's vagina's so they can't be raped. Which is pretty much how current drug law works. **** the victim support the criminal.

Therein lies the problem, you do not have the right to take any drug you want. No one has the right to break the law.

By taking drugs, when ever they like would one not be supporting the criminal?

Kold

j1smithy wrote: »

Therein lies the problem, you do not have the right to take any drug you want. No one has the right to break the law.

By taking drugs, when ever they like would one not be supporting the criminal?

It is the responsibility of every good human being to break unjust laws.

ScumLord

Kold wrote: »

It is the responsibility of every good human being to break unjust laws.

Here, here!!

j1smithy wrote: »

Therein lies the problem, you do not have the right to take any drug you want. No one has the right to break the law.

By taking drugs, when ever they like would one not be supporting the criminal?

I don't look at it as breaking the law. If I could get it from a legitimate source I would gladly and I fully support fair trade weed that's grown locally by decent people.


There's nothing wrong with the drugs.

j1smithy

Is there any law in ireland that could be described as unjust??

Kold

The laws against drugs. Try to keep up.

j1smithy

ScumLord wrote: »

Here, here!!

I don't look at it as breaking the law. If I could get it from a legitimate source I would gladly and I fully support fair trade weed that's grown locally by decent people.


There's nothing wrong with the drugs.

But it is breaking the law, and people suffer for it. Problem is a lot of people who use this stuff don't see themselves as part of the problem which they clearly are. Supply and demand, simple economics.

I cannot see a problem vith such a vaccine being used on people caught in possession of coke. Do the crime do the time.

drunkmonkey

ScumLord wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with the drugs.

Here Here!!!

The problem arises when some gob****es decide to abuse them and governments are forced to bring in draconian laws!

JC 2K3

j1smithy wrote: »

Seems many people believe here they have the right to break the law, which is not the case.

In fairness, it's a lot more complex than that.

Laws are not permanent, vaccines are.

j1smithy wrote: »

But it is breaking the law, and people suffer for it. Problem is a lot of people who use this stuff don't see themselves as part of the problem which they clearly are. Supply and demand, simple economics.

Drugs are no different to sweatshop made clothes, chocolate, coffee, blood diamonds or the products of any corrupt industry in this regard.

j1smithy

Punishments are permanent too. for example, at the turn of the century homosexuality was illegan and people were sent to prison, for years of their life they would never get back. Since then it has been decriminalised and people are no longer sent to prison. However those that were have still to live with their punishments.

Possibly a bad choice of topic I've used to illustrate my point however it does show it clearly. A prison sentence is an amount of time your freedom is taken away, permanently. A vaccine sentence would take away your freedom to enjoy coke permanently. A punishment of the times, for a crime of the times.

ScumLord

j1smithy wrote: »

A punishment of the times, for a crime of the times.

Sure, it's nowhere near as bad as going to jail, it's still not right to take away someones freedom based on a law that's wrong.