Airsoft Laws Worldwide

Head_Hunter

Worth a read...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_issues_in_airsoft#Ireland

little buda

:eek::eek::eek:!!!!! 17 joule's for poland!!!

imagine distance and grouping," snipers dream:D"

Stercus Accidit

Never mind envy, we should be grateful to have such sensible legislation based on energy output.

Look at spain, the aeg must be partly luminous yellow or red, some places it is classed as a firearm, others need a licence, others semi only wtf?

Reading that list of crazy nonsense makes me very glad we have the laws regarding airsoft that we do.

The graded weapon classifications of Slovenia seems quite clever.

Below a joule it is a toy, above it is a class D weapon.

A graded definition would be great here, meaning being slightly over one joule would not constitute a major offence, perhaps up to 3 joules a device may be classified as recreational sports equipment, it would suit paintballers too, up to 10 joules a class 2 recreational sports equipment, etc., allowing these items not to be classed as a firearm, or something along those lines.

A vcra style law would kill the sport.

Masada

Motosam wrote: »

Never mind envy, we should be grateful to have such sensible legislation based on energy output.

Look at spain, the aeg must be partly luminous yellow or red, some places it is classed as a firearm, others need a licence, others semi only wtf?

Reading that list of crazy nonsense makes me very glad we have the laws regarding airsoft that we do.

The graded weapon classifications of Slovenia seems quite clever.

Below a joule it is a toy, above it is a class D weapon.

A graded definition would be great here, meaning being slightly over one joule would not constitute a major offence, perhaps up to 3 joules a device may be classified as recreational sports equipment, it would suit paintballers too, up to 10 joules a class 2 recreational sports equipment, etc., allowing these items not to be classed as a firearm, or something along those lines.

A vcra style law would kill the sport.

It sounds good in theory but it would only breed more excuses for people having hot equipment and just becasue the law would see it as minor people would expect site owners to turn a blind eye., also paintball markers can range from 10 up to about 17Joules,,.

Head_Hunter

little buda wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek:!!!!! 17 joule's for poland!!!

imagine distance and grouping," snipers dream:D"

That is equal to 5576 FPS with 0.2g:eek:, sounds like it would be fatal to take a hit from one of those!

kdouglas

Actually it's 1356fps with a 0.2g BB, The relationship between fps and Joules is not linear, so 1 Joule = 328fps does not mean 10 Joules = 3280fps

Stercus Accidit

vtec wrote: »

It sounds good in theory but it would only breed more excuses for people having hot equipment and just becasue the law would see it as minor people would expect site owners to turn a blind eye., also paintball markers can range from 10 up to about 17Joules,,.

I take your point, but the current, 327 fps is a toy, 329 is ten years in the slammer is a bit harsh.

I know that would be taking it to the letter of the law but having a graded system or buffer value would be sensible, if done correctly.

I believe if 1 joule was enforced it would be enforced, just as it is now.


And paintballers as it stands, dont get a license afaik, but a note from a superintendent as their gun is technically a firearm, also technically they commit assault with a deadly weapon every time they play.
Its anomalies like this I wouldn't mind being addressed with a 1-20 joule graded item, that can only be owned with a note from the guards, but not technically be a firearm.

Masada

Motosam wrote: »

I take your point, but the current, 327 fps is a toy, 329 is ten years in the slammer is a bit harsh.

Thats something i dont get to be honest, Nobody on earth is gonna get 10 years for having a slightly hot AEG, with all things in science there are variables and that includes airsoft. we should stop babbling that 10 year cr*p and concentrate more on educating new players on how, where and when to use it instead of calling them criminals through no fault of their own. I can only imagine what a new player thinks when he reads this 10 year stuff on here and finds out his AEG is 330fps.
I was actually thinking about this same subject yesterday after seeing the thread that was locked about someone shot with an airgun or something. For a new player thats a very easy association to make between airsoft gun/airgun and others members on here can sometimes jump on threads like this as if the OP was intentionally trying to start trouble. Maybe something like a "whats legal, whats not" thread would be suitable. That way new people would be able to read just the important stuff first and not get their head bitten off by people who really should find out what that little "report to moderator" button is for. I know theres loads of info in the newbie section but thats the problem, theres so much reading to do just to find that one piece of information you need.,

if any of the mods are reading this, what would be your opinion on a "whats legal/whats not" thread?
It could explain the 1J law and the translation to FPS, also the legal situation regarding lasers could also go in there too. if it was writen in plain english too with no "section 2 as amended, blah blah" in there ten people would find it easier to understand and more likely to read it.,


EDIT: jeez i didnt think i wrote that much.,

kevteljeur

Motosam wrote: »

I take your point, but the current, 327 fps is a toy, 329 is ten years in the slammer is a bit harsh.

I know that would be taking it to the letter of the law but having a graded system or buffer value would be sensible, if done correctly.

I believe if 1 joule was enforced it would be enforced, just as it is now.


And paintballers as it stands, dont get a license afaik, but a note from a superintendent as their gun is technically a firearm, also technically they commit assault with a deadly weapon every time they play.
Its anomalies like this I wouldn't mind being addressed with a 1-20 joule graded item, that can only be owned with a note from the guards, but not technically be a firearm.

That's a black and white interpretation, and you're leaving out the matter of application/enforcement of law. There's a big difference between being on-site with 1.1J and running down a busy street with 1.1J, and I believe it would be applied as such. To put it another way, if everyone who drove over the speed limit was caught and had 4 penalty points applied to them each and every time they drove even 1 or 2 kph over the limit, rush hour in Dublin would look very, very different. But it doesn't work like that, unfortunately.

Personally, I'd be in favour of a somewhat higher limit, with a licence of some sort required; I think this would actually be good for the sport itself in the long run. But I'm happy enough with it the way it is, and the bigger issue at the moment is the community and how it plays together.

Stercus Accidit

@Vtec

Its just anomalies in Law tend to overwhelm people.

We've all heard of the guy over the speed limit by 2 miles per hour getting a ticket etc.

My only point is it would be nice to have another definition for 1-20 j or some such allowance.

@kev

walking down the street carrying a 250fps toy or a real gun are treated the same way, a 1-20 joule paintball gun or such would receive the same treatment.
Robbing a bank with an airsoft or a real gun is treated the same, it wouldn't leave a legal loophole to have a 1-20 definition.
I'm not saying its ideal, but the Slovenian graded legislation was of interest to me.

Masada

Motosam wrote: »

@Vtec

Its just anomalies in Law tend to overwhelm people.

We've all heard of the guy over the speed limit by 2 miles per hour getting a ticket etc.

My only point is it would be nice to have another definition for 1-20 j or some such allowance.

Actually, believe it or not, theres a 10% allowance in speeding fines too.,lol because speedometers are never bang on the right speed. Mine is out by about 10kph, i have the usuall analog speedo, then a digital RPM gauge and limiter with speed read outs, then theres the sat nav that works by measuring your point to point speed and its sreally accurate.,

Stercus Accidit

vtec wrote: »

Actually, believe it or not, theres a 10% allowance in speeding fines too.,lol because speedometers are never bang on the right speed. Mine is out by about 10kph, i have the usuall analog speedo, then a digital RPM gauge and limiter with speed read outs, then theres the sat nav that works by measuring your point to point speed and its sreally accurate.,

Unfortunately we dont have a 10% leeway

If we did everyone would be going around aiming for that limit.

We are certainly lucky to have the sensible legislation we have, something to cover 329 fps though other than being a firearm would be nice, perhaps a restricted item, as you said, these thing can jump on their own and 1.1 joules is so minuscule it shouldn't be in law as a weapon.

Masada

Motosam wrote: »

Unfortunately we dont have a 10% leeway

If we did everyone would be going around aiming for that limit.

We are certainly lucky to have the sensible legislation we have, something to cover 329 fps though other than being a firearm would be nice, perhaps a restricted item, as you said, these thing can jump on their own and 1.1 joules is so minuscule it shouldn't be in law as a weapon.

We do have a leeway though, it comes in where the testing equipment is concerned. they cant be ablosutely 100% sure that their reading is perfectly accurate.. its like finger prints or DNA, their never 100% positive. thats why we need to be strict on people using them in games. coz if were not then people will aim for the "leeway" instead of the limit.,

Evolute

vtec wrote: »

We do have a leeway though, it comes in where the testing equipment is concerned. they cant be ablosutely 100% sure that their reading is perfectly accurate.. its like finger prints or DNA, their never 100% positive. thats why we need to be strict on people using them in games. coz if were not then people will aim for the "leeway" instead of the limit.,

Have to agree with this mainly the leeway part people will not consider it a leeway they will aim for the highest of it and if its a little over that people will be the same way about saying "Its only 1 over and I still cant skirmish it". But now its 328 and that's the way I hope it stays because then there can be no bitching about his is the highest allowed I'm going to boost mine to that "rabble rabble rabble" and the same thread like this will appear:p

CrazyRabbit

I'd be very weary even mentioning anything about 10% leeway.

As it stands the law is written in very black & white terms regarding the energy output. The limit is exactly 1 joule, with no mention of any allowances.

Nobody here can predict how a judge may interpret the crime of having a 1.01 joule AEG. They may toss it out of court laughing or hit you with the minimum compulsary punishment for having an unlicensed firearm (10 years). The judge may not even have a choice in the matter.

So let's stick with absolute facts when discussing this issue please. We don't want anyone getting confused!

horgan_p

Can i point out that this subject is sailing mighty close to a court case which is due for hearing.
a retailer (not anyone here on boards) told me himself that he is being taken to court for something.

Just bear it in mind - mods if you want me to justify my claim then PM me.

Masada

Nobody mentioned anything about a courtcase?.,

Gizmodeon

horgan_p wrote: »

Can i point out that this subject is sailing mighty close to a court case which is due for hearing.
a retailer (not anyone here on boards) told me himself that he is being taken to court for something.

Just bear it in mind - mods if you want me to justify my claim then PM me.

is this someone I might have met recently?;)

Stercus Accidit

That warning is so vague its completely ineffective.

I mean, what are we to avoid?

Come on people, law! I mean, super interesting!
Or am I just insane.

o1s1n

The law was put in place to stop suction guns and the like being considered firearms and to keep a large volume of springers out of ballistics.

It was not put in place to allow airsoft as a sport. That was just a nice little bonus we got out of it. Therefore leeway = zero. Court wise, I really can't see anyone doing a 10 year stretch for having a 329fps rifle. It hasn't been tested, but I would imagine a Judge would use common sense.

However, any gear over will be destroyed. Something which has happened. That in my mind does not equal leeway, seeing as some AEGs cost a fortune.
It would be like someone getting away with speeding ticket but having their car destroyed.

Anyway, less of the court cases and more of the topic at hand please

Masada

o1s1n wrote: »

However, any gear over will be destroyed. Something which has happened. That in my mind does not equal leeway, seeing as some AEGs cost a fortune.
It would be like someone getting away with speeding ticket but having their car destroyed.

Anyway, less of the court cases and more of the topic at hand please

I know of a case where an AEG was confiscated, it was chono'ing a little hot and got sent to balistics dept, 2 weeks later was retured to the owner.,


Im not trying in encourage people to chase the limit, id like to see everyone using 300fps and thats is really. then we can have the other 28 for variance in temp, atmosphere and related conditions. But all this talk of "ILLEGAL FIREARM, YOU'LL GET 10 YEARS!" is the most ridiculous thing and we shouldnt be telling this to new people in the sport. it actually puts an unnecessary fear into them if their stuff chrono's a little over on a particular day. Lets concentrate on making sure those who have them know how, when and where to use them instead of just telling them they'll be picking up soap for a long time.,

Anyway, this stinks of one of them future controversial threads so im outta here.,:eek:
stay safe, stay legal!.,;)

o1s1n

vtec wrote: »

But all this talk of "ILLEGAL FIREARM, YOU'LL GET 10 YEARS!" is the most ridiculous thing and we shouldnt be telling this to new people in the sport.

As silly as it seems, it's the current law. And until we have a clear case where it's tested in court, it's best to freak people out than seem lax about it

Tigger

iacually i'm going to start a thread

CrazyRabbit

vtec wrote: »

I know of a case where an AEG was confiscated, it was chono'ing a little hot and got sent to balistics dept, 2 weeks later was retured to the owner.,


Im not trying in encourage people to chase the limit, id like to see everyone using 300fps and thats is really. then we can have the other 28 for variance in temp, atmosphere and related conditions. But all this talk of "ILLEGAL FIREARM, YOU'LL GET 10 YEARS!" is the most ridiculous thing and we shouldnt be telling this to new people in the sport. it actually puts an unnecessary fear into them if their stuff chrono's a little over on a particular day. Lets concentrate on making sure those who have them know how, when and where to use them instead of just telling them they'll be picking up soap for a long time.,

Anyway, this stinks of one of them future controversial threads so im outta here.,:eek:
stay safe, stay legal!.,;)

I for one am all for putting the fear of god in new players regarding hot AEG's. If it helps prevent any cases of hot AEG's being deliberately purchase/used, then it's all good IMHO. And as I mentioned before, the Judge may not having any say in the matter. They have to follow what the law states, and that may mean imposing a Mandatory 10 year sentence no matter how minor the breach in the law. No point in guessing how likely/unlikely this is to happen since we don't have any test cases as a reference....and I'd like to keep it that way!

CrazyRabbit

Now, I know this is not strictly airsoft related, but stick with me as it is relevant.

I mentioned above that I wasn't sure of a Judge would have any leeway when sentencing in regards to carrying a hot AEG (eg, a firearm). Well, I've just seen something that answers this question.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0603/dwyerd.html?rss

So it seems that 'Mandatory' doesn't actually mean mandatory, and the 'mandatory' sentence is 5 years and not 10 (which is odd because I distinctly remember reading an ammendment to the law which increased it to 10 years)

So....a hot AEG = a firearm, and walking down a public street with a Firearm (or AEG) in plain sight = possible 4 years in prison.

Things might be different with an AEG, but

Witcher

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

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So it seems that 'Mandatory' doesn't actually mean mandatory, and the 'mandatory' sentence is 5 years and not 10 (which is odd because I distinctly remember reading an ammendment to the law which increased it to 10 years)

perhaps 10 is for posession with intent?

This was pointed out to me by a user on IAF

Frank the Manc

blay1 wrote: »

perhaps 10 is for posession with intent?

This was pointed out to me by a user on IAF

with intent to what.......endanger life???

there is too much BS talked about goin to jail for having a hot AEG.

i know one person who imported one, went to balistics for 4/5 months and was finally returned to him.
we chronoed it at in or around 360 fps.

if some one was in posession of a paintball gun,m w/o the supers permission do you think that that person would be up on a Section 11.(although i do know some one that was attempted to be charged with same for posession of a wrench, needles to say it was thrown out)

the simple fact of the matter is that if your attitude is off or you get a particular cúntish type gaurd then yes you may get summonsed but judges are not the complete idiots that some gardai are and common sense will prevail given the circumstances.

mandatory senntances are not in fact mandatory, they are in effect discretionary.

Witcher

Frank the Manc wrote: »

with intent to what.......endanger life???

there is too much BS talked about goin to jail for having a hot AEG.

i know one person who imported one, went to balistics for 4/5 months and was finally returned to him.
we chronoed it at in or around 360 fps.

if some one was in posession of a paintball gun,m w/o the supers permission do you think that that person would be up on a Section 11.(although i do know some one that was attempted to be charged with same for posession of a wrench, needles to say it was thrown out)

the simple fact of the matter is that if your attitude is off or you get a particular cúntish type gaurd then yes you may get summonsed but judges are not the complete idiots that some gardai are and common sense will prevail given the circumstances.

mandatory senntances are not in fact mandatory, they are in effect discretionary.

I'm talking about RS here :rolleyes: I meant its it could be 10 years for possession of a firearm

with intent, not an airsoft

Masada

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Now, I know this is not strictly airsoft related, but stick with me as it is relevant.

I mentioned above that I wasn't sure of a Judge would have any leeway when sentencing in regards to carrying a hot AEG (eg, a firearm). Well, I've just seen something that answers this question.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0603/dwyerd.html?rss

So it seems that 'Mandatory' doesn't actually mean mandatory, and the 'mandatory' sentence is 5 years and not 10 (which is odd because I distinctly remember reading an ammendment to the law which increased it to 10 years)

So....a hot AEG = a firearm, and walking down a public street with a Firearm (or AEG) in plain sight = possible 4 years in prison.

Things might be different with an AEG, but

I was just going to make that exact point when i read your previous post. i know that we dont talk of firearms in here but im referring to the firearms law here more so than the actuall crime. that fella got off lightly in my opinion but it proves that we wont be getting no manditory 10 year sentence for having a slightly hot AEG. the very fact that a paintballer can get a marker with nothing more than the nod from the super speaks volumes too. All this time people have been saying you'll get 10 years when the sentance is actually 5 years for possession so it kinda makes you think we shouldnt be such an attacking force when upholding the law when we in fact dont understand it as fluently as we might think.

i would like to see people be a lot more relaxed in their "arrhhh hot GUN, its a firearm" approach and just be more clear about the situation and the law. the mods could hand out heavy bans for the people who think its ok to bragg that they have a hot AEG and do away with this infraction stuff, and the sites can and do make sure that everything is legit on site, the only others we have to worry about in this case is the people who have them with no interest in playing the game and instead just act the boll*x shooting mates and being a gob****e with it. we cant do anything about them, it makes no difference weather their guns are hot or not because just by the way they use them they are already illegal firearms.,

kdouglas

Frank the Manc wrote: »

with intent to what.......endanger life???

there is too much BS talked about goin to jail for having a hot AEG.

i know one person who imported one, went to balistics for 4/5 months and was finally returned to him.
we chronoed it at in or around 360 fps.

if some one was in posession of a paintball gun,m w/o the supers permission do you think that that person would be up on a Section 11.(although i do know some one that was attempted to be charged with same for posession of a wrench, needles to say it was thrown out)

the simple fact of the matter is that if your attitude is off or you get a particular cúntish type gaurd then yes you may get summonsed but judges are not the complete idiots that some gardai are and common sense will prevail given the circumstances.

mandatory senntances are not in fact mandatory, they are in effect discretionary.

intent to use it to commit an assault/robbery?

Watch how you refer to judges and gardai too by the way, language like that wont be tolerated too much here.

Masada

blay1 wrote: »

I'm talking about RS here :rolleyes: I meant its it could be 10 years for possession of a firearm

with intent, not an airsoft

Intent could be seen as to use in the process of commiting of a crime, it dont have to be dangerous but just threatening really.,

Witcher

vtec wrote: »

Intent could be seen as to use in the process of commiting of a crime, it dont have to be dangerous but just threatening really.,

thats what i mean, ya's are picking me up wrong, its 5 years for posession,

what im trying to ask is if the 10 year mandatory sentence is for posession

with intent ? there is a difference

Frank the Manc

vtec wrote: »

I was just going to make that exact point when i read your previous post. i know that we dont talk of firearms in here but im referring to the firearms law here more so than the actuall crime. that fella got off lightly in my opinion but it proves that we wont be getting no manditory 10 year sentence for having a slightly hot AEG. the very fact that a paintballer can get a marker with nothing more than the nod from the super speaks volumes too. All this time people have been saying you'll get 10 years when the sentance is actually 5 years for possession so it kinda makes you think we shouldnt be such an attacking force when upholding the law when we in fact dont understand it as fluently as we might think.

i would like to see people be a lot more relaxed in their "arrhhh hot GUN, its a firearm" approach and just be more clear about the situation and the law. the mods could hand out heavy bans for the people who think its ok to bragg that they have a hot AEG and do away with this infraction stuff, and the sites can and do make sure that everything is legit on site, the only others we have to worry about in this case is the people who have them with no interest in playing the game and instead just act the boll*x shooting mates and being a gob****e with it. we cant do anything about them, it makes no difference weather their guns are hot or not because just by the way they use them they are already illegal firearms.,

well said,

kdouglas wrote: »

intent to use it to commit an assault/robbery?

Watch how you refer to judges and gardai too by the way, language like that wont be tolerated too much here.

fair enough, i just presumed that it was ok, especially as others, including a mod uses it, not yourself by the way.:o

ED E

vtec wrote: »

I was just going to make that exact point when i read your previous post. i know that we dont talk of firearms in here but im referring to the firearms law here more so than the actuall crime. that fella got off lightly in my opinion but it proves that we wont be getting no manditory 10 year sentence for having a slightly hot AEG. the very fact that a paintballer can get a marker with nothing more than the nod from the super speaks volumes too. All this time people have been saying you'll get 10 years when the sentance is actually 5 years for possession so it kinda makes you think we shouldnt be such an attacking force when upholding the law when we in fact dont understand it as fluently as we might think.

i would like to see people be a lot more relaxed in their "arrhhh hot GUN, its a firearm" approach and just be more clear about the situation and the law. the mods could hand out heavy bans for the people who think its ok to bragg that they have a hot AEG and do away with this infraction stuff, and the sites can and do make sure that everything is legit on site, the only others we have to worry about in this case is the people who have them with no interest in playing the game and instead just act the boll*x shooting mates and being a gob****e with it. we cant do anything about them, it makes no difference weather their guns are hot or not because just by the way they use them they are already illegal firearms.,

Read the above! Richie got it right here.

"the very fact that a paintballer can get a marker with nothing more than the nod from the super speaks volumes too" Good point. On the other hand though I'd say a lot of superintendants would love to see airsoft banned, they dont wanna run into one on the street in the hands of some dipsh1t.

The thing is Yes, having a hot AEG is illegal but No, you're not goint o be imprisoned unless you do something very very stupid with it and in that case it wouldn't matter if it shot .0001J. There's a reason why the roles of Judges and lawyers exist.

kdouglas

Frank the Manc wrote: »

fair enough, i just presumed that it was ok, especially as others, including a mod uses it, not yourself by the way.:o

I haven't noticed anyone else do it, but if they do, feel free to hit the report post button, even if it is a mod.

CrazyRabbit

Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

Read the above! Richie got it right here.

"the very fact that a paintballer can get a marker with nothing more than the nod from the super speaks volumes too" Good point. On the other hand though I'd say a lot of superintendants would love to see airsoft banned, they dont wanna run into one on the street in the hands of some dipsh1t.

The thing is Yes, having a hot AEG is illegal but No, you're not goint o be imprisoned unless you do something very very stupid with it and in that case it wouldn't matter if it shot .0001J. There's a reason why the roles of Judges and lawyers exist.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but it's not a viewpoint I would like to see promoted on any airsoft forum, among our community or among the public. Nothing good can come from it.

We must promote the cautious approach.

Shiva

I'm sorry, but I have to get this off my chest. This isn't aimed at any one person, but rather at a specific type of poster who seems to be taking over this forum....

Would you all just please, for the love of God and the sake of my sanity, shut up bleating about hot guns and the damage they'll do to airsoft? The uninitiated outsider who stumbles across this forum, and reads some of the nonsense thats being spouted lately about "hot guns" and "illegal firearms" will assume that we're talking about airsoft devices that are so massively overpowered that they can cause serious injury. Is that the image you want to portray for Irish airsoft ?

At least once a week now, someone starts a thread or posts a reply declaring how hot guns will be the ruination of airsoft.

I put it to you that the chest beating, scaremongering, soap-boxing tripe that's being bandied about on this EXTREMELY public forum will do more damage to airsoft than any any amount of hot guns. Have you any idea how popular Boards.ie is with the mainstream media when they're looking for information ? You're spoon-feeding them scandal fodder by constantly over-reacting to the occasional "faulty" device.

I know from personal experience that there is a leeway allowed when a gun is tested. Is it written into law? No, of course its not. But it is there, and it is observed. It has to be, by the very nature of the testing process, and the materials being tested. Thats not to say its ok for a retailer to sell a hot gun - its definitely not.

I know there have been guns sold in Ireland, by Irish retailers, that were over the limit. It happens - there is no sure-fire, guaranteed way to ensure a specific brand or model of gun will always shoot at exactly the same power level. If you come into possession of a hot device, instead of climbing onto your soap-box and proclaiming to the world that a grave injustice has been wrought, how about this for an idea - BRING THE DAMN THING BACK WHERE YOU GOT IT FROM AND GET IT FIXED !
Honestly, the way some people react you'd swear they were sold a deadly weapon. Its a bloody faulty toy, thats all.

Do you honestly think myself, MIA, AirsoftEire, IAS, ATS, Go Tactical or Cork Airsoft would ever knowingly sell hot guns ?

Do you *really, really* think those of us who have invested many thousands of Euros in creating a business, leaving a lucrative career and risking everything on setting up an airsoft retail store, online or physical, would knowingly take the chance of losing everything by deliberately selling over-powered equipment ?

Instead of spilling this scaremongering nonsense all over a public forum, why not use that vitriol to pursue the aim of educating people in the proper handling of airsoft equipment ? THAT is the danger area for Irish airsoft.
If some idiot draws a lot of unwanted attention to himself and airsoft by waving an AEG or GBB around in public, do you think the authorities or the media will give a damn what power its firing at ?

Please people...get some perspective. Pick the battles that matter.

Masada

Bravo my son,

Couldnt have said it better myself.,

Frank the Manc

kdouglas wrote: »

I haven't noticed anyone else do it, but if they do, feel free to hit the report post button, even if it is a mod.

well there may be "*/@/ect" instead of one letter but its still the same in my view, but anyways point taken, it wont* happen again.

* probably wont:)

p.s. im not a big fan of the rat button.


anyways back on topic, vtec and shive have made extremely valid points, id personally like to see these inflamatory type of posters banned/infracted, it is of absolutely of bebefit either to this sport or forum.

wild theories backed up with half thruts and whole lies.

if you act the clown with any sort of replica, youre goin to get what you deserve one way or the other, if you have a reasonaby hot piece very little will happen bar not being able to skirmish it at a reputable site or they possibility pf it being seized and destroyed by the gardai.

im not encouraging over the limit guns here but cop on and stop exaggerating, because once you start that ****e and its found out to be false people will start to think " well what else are they wrong or lying about, e.g. TV License/Speeding/Soft Drugs ect...ect