Is Sin Moo Hapkido close to Krav Maga?

Kruk

I was going to train Krav Maga but there are no any classes in my area. Someone suggested me that Sin Moo Hapkido is close to Krava Maga. I read few articles and seen some trainings on Youtube and it looks more Karate-thing. I don't have any experience with both styles, so perhaps it is close to Krav Maga but I don't want make a mistake when choosing self defence martial art.

Any advices?

pma-ire

Kruk wrote: »

I was going to train Krav Maga but there are no any classes in my area. Someone suggested me that Sin Moo Hapkido is close to Krava Maga. I read few articles and seen some trainings on Youtube and it looks more Karate-thing. I don't have any experience with both styles, so perhaps it is close to Krav Maga but I don't want make a mistake when choosing self defence martial art.

Any advices?

your not gonna learn anything in krav maga that you would not learn from any well ballanced martial arts intructor.

David Jones

Sin Moo Hapkido is more like Tae Kwon Do/Tang Soo Doo crossed with some ineffective Aikido wrist locks.

Krav Maga was featured on an RTE Nationwide programme two weeks ago, wasnt too impressed with the gun and knife defence stuff, imho it would get you killed very easily, also if you are going to be shot its unlikely the attacker will be standing beside you with a gun pressed against your ribs. He is more likely to be on the back of a motorcycle or at least at a distance where bar you can catch the bullet in your teeth......you are screwed if he decides to pull the trigger. I think it would be more appropriate not to piss anyone off who might shoot you, there is usually a good reason, maybe you kid got into a fight with their kid in the playground, thats all it takes in some cases.

dlofnep

That's kind of a moot point though isn't it David? Surely, it would only take into considerable where applicable. I was impressed with the Krav Maga episodes of Human Weapon/Fight Quest.. I think if trained under a resistant environment, that's practical and realistic then it's very practical. Having never actually trained KM myself, I couldn't give an honest assessment of it - but I think it's one of those cases of with a good instructor, it would be very fitting - with a bad instructor, it would be just another day at a mcdojo.

As far as Hapkido goes - I've seen a few training sessions of it and I wasn't impressed at all with it. Seemed to be very money orientated from the top down when guys were grading - being charged a few 100 to go up in levels of black belts. Surely earning the belt should be the only cost IMO in any martial art. WaterfordMMA on here trained Hapkido for years and is a 2nd degree black belt in it - so he could give you an honest assessment.

If KM is not in your area, then I'd hit up an MMA gym, boxing gym, kick boxing gym, muay thai or judo class for some practical hands on, good old fashioned training.

goo

If you haven't already checked out a book on Krav Maga you should probably do that, get an idea if its really worth all the effort. Definitely think about what it is you're looking for from training in it and then maybe you'll be able to find something you can get the same benefits from, and maybe more, from something that you can train in nearby.

David Jones

I think if trained under a resistant environment, that's practical and realistic then it's very practical. Having never actually trained KM myself, I couldn't give an honest assessment of it

Well this wasnt being trained under a resistant environment. We still had our potential assailant stepping forward and lunging with the knife oh and of course leaving it out so the wrist lock disarm could be applied. Complete and utter b***ox im afraid. But since an irish model was the feature participant it was getting positive press as a means of realistically defending oneself against knife and gun. You should have seen the mount escape used an example of ground fighting....

dlofnep

David Jones wrote: »

Well this wasnt being trained under a resistant environment. We still had our potential assailant stepping forward and lunging with the knife oh and of course leaving it out so the wrist lock disarm could be applied. Complete and utter b***ox im afraid. But since an irish model was the feature participant it was getting positive press as a means of realistically defending oneself against knife and gun. You should have seen the mount escape used an example of ground fighting....

I don't doubt it was a watered down, mcdojoist effort at displaying KM to the public. All I've seen was a handful of youtube videos (some completely opposite to each other) and those fight quest/human weapon episodes which were pretty impressive.

Typical bandwagon behaviour to jump on a name of something and pass it off. Same is happening with all these "mma gyms" popping up which are nothing more than kickboxing gyms with a bit of unqualified clinch instruction. Tis a shame when you have other more than qualified gyms producing good fighters

waterford mma

just a few points about Hapkido . .
i wouldn't say it is an effective form of self defense, however, like most other martial arts with a decent instructor you will benefit from doing it, you'll gain flexibility, strength and fitness. You'll also gain a basic understanding of joint locks, chokes, and throwing mechanics.

If it is self defense that you are interested in, you should go for boxing, kickboxing, bjj, judo or mma.

Rob Carry

I went along to a Hapkido class and didn't rate it at all really. It would be a long way behind Krav Maga, some aspects of which I found to be applicable to real life situations. As has been mentioned though, I think one of the martial arts which involve sparring and have a competitive element to them are your best bet for self defence because basically, they will make you fit, strong and vitally, will get you used to hitting and being hit. BJJ or MMA is tops for one-on-one situations but because they're quite rare these days I'd go for something that will keep you on your feet - Muay Thai or maybe boxing - but I'm a Muay Thai fan so I probably would say that

goo

Rob Carry wrote: »

I went along to a Hapkido class and didn't rate it at all really. It would be a long way behind Krav Maga

You can say that about the one class you visited, but not really about Hapkido in general.

David Jones

You can say that about the one class you visited, but not really about Hapkido in general.

Can of worms opening.......:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDz76O6r1ow

Rob Carry

goo wrote: »

You can say that about the one class you visited, but not really about Hapkido in general.

How many classes of each should I go to before I can give my opinion?

SorGan

Rob Carry wrote: »

How many classes of each should I go to before I can give my opinion?

generally 7 and a half..:)

gabbytheking

People really shouldn't be giving opinions based on YouTube videos or 1 or 2 classes. In all fairness most dojo's that get a new student will always try to teach the basics first (boring maybe but a strong foundation will support a strong house). Its only when you've trained for a number of months when you can really judge an art. PS Wrist locks are very useful if applied correctly. I've worked in security and believe me they would knock an angry bear if applied correctly. Try the Hapkido for 5-10 classes if you don't like it try something else but definitely give it some time. An instructor will need to get comfortable with you before he will teach more advanced moves(you can't just teach anybody off the street to cripple a person 1. Its dangerous in the wrong hands as ignorance can cause long term damage and 2. Technically you need more ability to apply these techniques effectively posture, hips, movement etc). We can't be Segal after a week it takes time I'm still trying after 11 years. Really if we could learn everything about an art in one class we wouldn't need martial arts we would all be grand masters of multiple arts.

cletus

Quick, wheres the shovel, kill the zombie

Doug Cartel

Gabytheking, this is an old, dead thread that everyone had probably forgotten about. Wouldn't have been easier to just leave it buried?

I'm going to lock this, it's old and I can't see anyone bringing anything new to it. If anyone has something genuine to add to this, pm me and I'll unlock it.

yomchi

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Gabytheking, this is an old, dead thread that everyone had probably forgotten about. Wouldn't have been easier to just leave it berried?

I'm going to lock this, it's old and I can't see anyone bringing anything new to it. If anyone has something genuine to add to this, pm me and I'll unlock it.

Good call. I always LOL when I read nonsense about "advanced moves" when it comes to ahem, self defence training.