coillte tenders

meathshooter

coillte deer tenders are out to be submitted by 20th of june I think

jwshooter

meathshooter wrote: »

coillte deer tenders are out to be submitted by 20th of june I think

not much up other than red stalking

E. Fudd

Anyone done the HCAP who wants to share a lease?

jwshooter

E. Fudd wrote: »

Anyone done the HCAP who wants to share a lease?

not as handy as that fudd i have done it .any place that takes your fancie .pm me or ring me if so dont say on the thread

Seamus357

Whats the price of a typical lease? I understand it varies from lease to lease and is dependent on the tenders offerred. I'm only looking for a ball park figure. I'm not ready for deer stalking just yet. I am however thinking of getting in to it and maybe trading my .223 in for a .308.

ivanthehunter

Lads if you start paying for shooting now then your accepting that you'll pay for all forms of shooting in the future.
Call in to see a few farmers and you'll get it for free....
It will be a sorry day when dlrcoco starts charging the youth of today for fishing of the pier....
Remember that mother nature provided the deer and not the forestry dept or the local authorities. Yes there are laws there to control the rights of land owners and the right of game animals, some people believe in these and others find fault in them to some degree but on the whole there not that bad, if you continue to pay for shooting rights you will destroy this noble sport with the common denominator CASH..
Then hunting will be truly artificail.....
What a sad day that will be...

Never pay anybody for hunting
read it again..... it might sink in...
Start as you mean to go on....
Ivan the (free)hunter...

thehair

ivanthehunter wrote: »

Lads if you start paying for shooting now then your accepting that you'll pay for all forms of shooting in the future.
Call in to see a few farmers and you'll get it for free....
It will be a sorry day when dlrcoco starts charging the youth of today for fishing of the pier....
Remember that mother nature provided the deer and not the forestry dept or the local authorities. Yes there are laws there to control the rights of land owners and the right of game animals, some people believe in these and others find fault in them to some degree but on the whole there not that bad, if you continue to pay for shooting rights you will destroy this noble sport with the common denominator CASH..
Then hunting will be truly artificail.....
What a sad day that will be...

Never pay anybody for hunting
read it again..... it might sink in...
Start as you mean to go on....
Ivan the (free)hunter...

+1:Dsteve

IDon'tKnow!

ivanthehunter wrote: »

Never pay anybody for hunting

Are people not paying for there hunting by paying game club fees.

E. Fudd

I'm only starting out Stalking, this year will be my first year with my own Rifle. But here is my argument for paying for my shooting:

Any farmer I've asked has told me "oh well so and so does a bit so I wouldn't want to put his nose out of joint". "So and so" is doing a good job for the farmer, and is keeping deer numbers down on the land.

Then you have the other side of things were a stalker will say to come along with them for a stalk and you end up on land that he hasn't even got permission to be on... hence you're on tender hooks the whole time and unable to enjoy yourself.

So, I can't get shooting off any farmer I've tried, and I've tried quite a few, because someone is already shooting the land, and doing a good job of it, and fair play to them. I definitly don't want to go down the road of shooting on land I don't have permission to be on, because apart from not being able to relax/enjoy, it's obviously illegal.

So recently I organised that I would pay to stalk on Coillte land, and be able to relax and enjoy my shooting. And if I come accross a farmer in the mean time, well and good, but to be honest Ivan, farmers willing to let you shoot their land are not as plentiful as you say.

Just my two cents worth.

Jonty

They majority of that is insurance. And don't forget gun club fees are used to rear birds. There is no rearing or minding in Deer.

E. Fudd

But you're gun club fees are the equivalent to my coillte (or whatever you want to call it) fees. You don't neccessarily have to join a gun club, you could just call into local farmers as Ivan says, but you may be told no as the local gun club shoots it...
Granted that gun club fees are alot less than leased shooting, but each to there own.

IDon'tKnow!

Jonty wrote: »

They majority of that is insurance. And don't forget gun club fees are used to rear birds. There is no rearing or minding in Deer.

That is a good point the clubs do spend most of there budget on making sure there is game birds to shoot when the season comes. But if you want there to be game birds to shoot, then the clubs need the membership fee to get birds on the ground for the season. So it might only be a small fee per member but they are paying for the shooting in the end.

Not as much as Coillte charge for the right to shoot deer on there land. But the forests cost them and the money they make from the stalking makes there forestry business more viable.

If no one paid Coillte for the shooting rights for Deer then Coillte would have to pay hunters to shoot the Deer.

And wouldn't that just be the dream job for most!

I have found that a lot of farmers don't want people going on to there land and won't give out shooting permissions unless they know you. I know some farmers who don't keep livestock on there land and still won't give permissions (and deer cross some of this land).

If you can't get permission for land with deer on it then you will have to pay Coillte if you want to shoot deer.

jwshooter

IDon'tKnow! wrote: »

That is a good point the clubs do spend most of there budget on making sure there is game birds to shoot when the season comes. But if you want there to be game birds to shoot, then the clubs need the membership fee to get birds on the ground for the season. So it might only be a small fee per member but they are paying for the shooting in the end.

Not as much as Coillte charge for the right to shoot deer on there land. But the forests cost them and the money they make from the stalking makes there forestry business more viable.

If no one paid Coillte for the shooting rights for Deer then Coillte would have to pay hunters to shoot the Deer.

And wouldn't that just be the dream job for most!

I have found that a lot of farmers don't want people going on to there land and won't give out shooting permissions unless they know you. I know some farmers who don't keep livestock on there land and still won't give permissions (and deer cross some of this land).

If you can't get permission for land with deer on it then you will have to pay Coillte if you want to shoot deer.

coillte made 22.4 million last year ..im not there bigest fan but if you want safe and good hunting im not talking about .sitting on a ditch hoping some thing will come out of a wood to shoot at last light thats not stalking ....if the farmer has given you the go a head he also has given it to every one with in a 100 miles it ,grand for a few weeks till the young and not street wise are shot .

foxshooter243

anyone happen to know the number of stalkers being shot in ireland per annum?

jwshooter

foxshooter243 wrote: »

anyone happen to know the number of stalkers being shot in ireland per annum?

one guy was shot through a leggings two years a go at a gate going to hunt bullet in and out through the leggins see a pick ,a good friend of mine was shot in the glen long before my time lucky to to save his hand ,and there was a guy kill some years ago ,what is the point of your question and do you stalk deer ,

E. Fudd

foxshooter243 wrote: »

anyone happen to know the number of stalkers being shot in ireland per annum?

If this question arose because of this...

JW Shooter wrote:

grand for a few weeks till the young and not street wise are shot

.....I think JW is talking about the deer and not the stalkers!

foxshooter243

jwshooter wrote: »

one guy was shot through a leggings two years a go at a gate going to hunt bullet in and out through the leggins see a pick ,a good friend of mine was shot in the glen long before my time lucky to to save his hand ,and there was a guy kill some years ago ,what is the point of your question and do you stalk deer ,

the point to my question is to have it answered, unless i have missed something , that seems to be what most people posting are about.
yes i stalk deer.,

foxshooter243

E. Fudd wrote: »

If this question arose because of this...



.....I think JW is talking about the deer and not the stalkers!

well ill have to not ask any questions in case they are taken out of context then , its the first question i have ever posted and my motives are being questioned-foxshooter243 signing off from this thread

kerryman12

Mr Fudd

I know exactly what you are saying their. Last year was my first year stalking also and I have ahd all of the same issues as you have. :mad:

But on a point of principle I have to agree with Ivan. Coillte grow a product - timber. A over population of deer will have a impact on their product and hence bottom line. Charging people to solve their problem for them is a bit mad though - never mind Ivan point about having to pay to shoot deer, deer the Coillte dont own!!!!!

Of course in reality it's not that straigh forward. If you want to participate in that type of stalking then you only have that option.

Regards

BryanL

if a farmer says, such and such, is hunting the land.give the guys a ring and ask them if there is any land they have permission on that they aren't getting to shoot over the season or if they knew where you could get some permission,solo or shared with someone else.
Bryan

Vegeta

Is a coillte tender enough to be granted a deer hunting license. Which you can then use as your reason for getting a rifle license.

Myself and my brother found it very easy, first two farmers we asked said ok. We type up letters and they sign them. If you are hunting in an area then you'll more than likely know the farmers or some family member or mutual friend can introduce you.

I can see the difficulty if you live in an area with no deer and need to travel to unfamiliar territory to ask for permission. That would be difficult.

kerryman12

Well thats the problem I had Vegeta. All my permissions are at home in Kerry. But trying to get some permission here is Cork is quite difficult as a outsider. I have one contact this year and hope to elaborate on this, but he is reluctant.

I ended up making friends with a local Stalker. When in cork we shoot on his permissions, and in return I bring him back to Kerry with me. works so far but you know yourself always looking for more acres.:rolleyes:

ivanthehunter

kerry that how things get started, through friendship and camaraderie but steer clear of people trying to sell there sporting rights to you for a season or two.
Hunting for deer is still quite free but hunting for game birds is truly at a stage were it is turning commercial and it would be a tragedy to see this happen to deer hunting.

I always go to a local pub for the first reci on any hunting or fishing grounds and you be surprised what a you can get for a little friendly conversation, once hunting permission is conveyed to me i alway return the complement by extending my willingness to carry out any survey work that they might want in the future for free.. Its a small price to pay for permission to park in their yards at any hour of the day or night and to traipse across their land to carry out hunting or fishing..
Getting back to tenders for coillte woods, would the 4000 hunters of deer, not be better off abstaining from coillte lands until collte realises they have a serious problem with deer???

What do you get for these high prices? Does coillte police your shooting grounds? do they provide any training?
Its seems that they are in the business of generating a cash crop and if shooters here are in the mood to throw their hard earned cash away, well then i should go work for coillte..............

IRLConor

Guys, I've deleted a few posts here which were dissolving into silliness.

Can ye please all just be nice to each other? If anyone has a problem with another post, do not reply on-thread. Simply hit the report post button and one of us will get around to dealing with it.

IRLConor

ivanthehunter wrote: »

Getting back to tenders for coillte woods, would the 4000 hunters of deer, not be better off abstaining from coillte lands until collte realises they have a serious problem with deer???

What do you get for these high prices? Does coillte police your shooting grounds? do they provide any training?
Its seems that they are in the business of generating a cash crop and if shooters here are in the mood to throw their hard earned cash away, well then i should go work for coillte..............

What's the demand like for Coillte tenders? If demand exceeds supply then they're obviously going to charge what they can to raise some cash.

If they need to increase the supply of tenders to control the deer numbers I guess that would be down to Coillte to assess how many deer they need to cull each year. Does anyone know if they do it themselves or do the NPWS have a hand in it?

jwshooter

IRLConor wrote: »

What's the demand like for Coillte tenders? If demand exceeds supply then they're obviously going to charge what they can to raise some cash.

If they need to increase the supply of tenders to control the deer numbers I guess that would be down to Coillte to assess how many deer they need to cull each year. Does anyone know if they do it themselves or do the NPWS have a hand in it?

coillte cull alot or deer and the a lesser extent goats each year ,in the small print coillte have the right to go onto any of there ground lease, and cull deer if they see fit ..the npw do not cull on coillte lands but they would have co owned lands ..ie coillte own the standing timber npw own the land
how can they increase the supply of tenders there is only so much land out there with deer on it ,and coillte dont set the price its a tender , its the hunters that drive up the price

IRLConor

jwshooter wrote: »

how can they increase the supply of tenders there is only so much land out there with deer on it ,and coillte dont set the price its a tender , its the hunters that drive up the price

That's what I was trying to figure out (since I don't know the details personally) i.e. is it a case of too many hunters (over demand) or too few leases (under supply/excess capacity)?

If there are more hunters than leases then I'm not the least bit surprised that they're charging what the market will bear.

kerryman12

good old market economy