Respect and family values declining?

Affable · 24-05-2008 12:02am #1

Is respect for the family and respect in society declining? Are people also taking relationships more and more lightly and forming less meaningful ones?

Discuss.....

Steve · 24-05-2008 12:24am

opinon or GTFO.

AlmightyCushion · 24-05-2008 12:28am

Are people too lazy to give their opinion on things?

Discuss.....

bman · 24-05-2008 12:28am

Yes. The respect we used to once have for other humans has now turned into respect for material possessions. We've also been desensitized to violence by the media and therefore our respect for human life has deteriorated vastly. imo.

JC 2K3 · 24-05-2008 12:32am

Rampant consumerism, rampant consumerism....

Peared · 24-05-2008 12:33am

Yes.

Yes.

Also people are getting lazier.

Affable · 24-05-2008 12:35am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Are people too lazy to give their opinion on things?

Discuss.....

Lazy? I make more effort than a load of folks who largely just post 'yore ma' or its equivalent.

kmart6 · 24-05-2008 12:40am

It's terrible,I show respect to my family to a certain level,what I think is right,but I know that would not have been excepted years ago!

Kavinsky · 24-05-2008 12:44am

An interesting discussion..

Neamhshuntasach · 24-05-2008 1:00am

I blame capitalism.

People are too concerned with monetary values than the ones at home.

Poverty suits Ireland better.

Sherifu · 24-05-2008 1:08am

Affable wrote: »

Lazy? I make more effort than a load of folks who largely just post 'yore ma' or its equivalent.

Not really.

'yore ma'

Steve · 24-05-2008 1:23am

Affable wrote: »

.....random question......?

Discuss.....

I disagree, what do you think?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 24-05-2008 7:28am

when you say family values do you mean people sending their daughter to a nunnery because the slut got pregnant?
or beating your children because they mouthed back to you?
or the respect we as a people showed to black people, protestants or jews.
maybe it's the kind loving embrace of the fires of hell you're after.

Doctor DooM · 24-05-2008 10:01am

Mordances with wolves wrote: »

when you say family values do you mean people sending their daughter to a nunnery because the slut got pregnant?
or beating your children because they mouthed back to you?
or the respect we as a people showed to black people, protestants or jews.
maybe it's the kind loving embrace of the fires of hell you're after.

He's got a point. Alot of things that were attributed to family values in the past were repugnant. I'm sure women who were beaten by their husbands but couldn't leave because society frowned so badly on it are glad things have changed, and they world is more honest.

beautiation · 24-05-2008 10:11am

Do you mean respect for your birth family? Cos I never get why that's seen as the litmus test of social values, anymore than the relationship between people and their mates is. My family are a grand bunch who took good care of me growing up, and I'll gladly return the favour financially for them in their dotage, but I don't buy into me having some obligation to devote my time to hanging out with them now when I have other people I'd rather hang out with more. It strikes me as awfully restrictive having to devote huge swathes of your time to a particular bunch of people just cos you lived in the same house as them growing up. My family were a necessary step 1 in life while I learnt how to get along, but they're just people at the end of the day like any others and the whole concept of family pretty much dissolves for me once I'm able to stand on my own 2 feet. Once I have the independence to go out in the world and choose the people I want in my life the family can sink or swim on their own merits in my social calendar tbh. I love them all, but I love my mates even more, and I don't see any reason why blood links should be allowed speak over my heart's desires. Nothing wrong with seeing the old gang every now and then of course, but I never get all these who people who spend their adult lives weighed down with issues with their mother or whatever when it's clearly just a case of them being 2 incompatible people, if you can't get along you can't get along, move on and find other people, there's a whole world of them! People like that are a bit afraid of the scope of the world I think.

Doctor DooM · 24-05-2008 10:12am

beautiation wrote: »

Do you mean respect for your birth family? Cos I never get why that's seen as the litmus test of social values, anymore than the relationship between people and their mates is. My family are a grand bunch who took good care of me growing up, and I'll gladly return the favour financially for them in their dotage, but I don't buy into me having some obligation to devote my time to hanging out with them now when I have other people I'd rather hang out with more. It strikes me as awfully restrictive having to devote huge swathes of your time to a particular bunch of people just cos you lived in the same house as them growing up. My family were a necessary step 1 in life while I learnt how to get along, but they're just people at the end of the day like any others and the whole concept of family pretty much dissolves for me once I'm able to stand on my own 2 feet. Once I have the independence to go out in the world and choose the people I want in my life the family can sink or swim on their own merits in my social calendar tbh. I love them all, but I love my mates even more, and I don't see any reason why blood links should be allowed speak over my heart's desires. Nothing wrong with seeing the old gang every now and then of course, but I never get all these who people who spend their adult lives weighed down with issues with their mother or whatever when it's clearly just a case of them being 2 incompatible people, if you can't get along you can't get along, move on and find other people, there's a whole world of them! People like that are a bit afraid of the scope of the world I think.

You might want to format that a little, it looks like a good post but its hard to read.

EDIT: It really depends what the OP means. You can respect yout family without slavishly devoting your entire life to them.

beautiation · 24-05-2008 10:21am

SDooM wrote: »

You might want to format that a little, it looks like a good post but its hard to read.

Yeah, that pretty much echoes the remarks on every essay I've ever handed up at college. Last exam was yesterday, I thought I'd escaped for the summer, but noooo...:p
I'll try formatting it but I'm really not a very articulate writer so I don't know what difference it'll make.

Doctor DooM · 24-05-2008 10:29am

beautiation wrote: »

Yeah, that pretty much echoes the remarks on every essay I've ever handed up at college. Last exam was yesterday, I thought I'd escaped for the summer, but noooo...:p
I'll try formatting it but I'm really not a very articulate writer so I don't know what difference it'll make.

Do you mean respect for your birth family? Cos I never get why that's seen as the litmus test of social values, anymore than the relationship between people and their mates is.

My family are a grand bunch who took good care of me growing up, and I'll gladly return the favour financially for them in their dotage, but I don't buy into me having some obligation to devote my time to hanging out with them now when I have other people I'd rather hang out with more.

It strikes me as awfully restrictive having to devote huge swathes of your time to a particular bunch of people just cos you lived in the same house as them growing up. My family were a necessary step 1 in life while I learnt how to get along, but they're just people at the end of the day like any others and the whole concept of family pretty much dissolves for me once I'm able to stand on my own 2 feet.

Once I have the independence to go out in the world and choose the people I want in my life the family can sink or swim on their own merits in my social calendar tbh.

I love them all, but I love my mates even more, and I don't see any reason why blood links should be allowed speak over my heart's desires.

Nothing wrong with seeing the old gang every now and then of course, but I never get all these who people who spend their adult lives weighed down with issues with their mother or whatever when it's clearly just a case of them being 2 incompatible people, if you can't get along you can't get along, move on and find other people, there's a whole world of them! People like that are a bit afraid of the scope of the world I think.

No need to say thanks, just make out the check to SDooM inc.

beautiation · 24-05-2008 10:47am

SDooM wrote: »

No need to say thanks, just make out the check to SDooM inc.

Haha thanks, that's really nice of you!
Can I hire your services from September for next year? Actually, could use your PR skills during the summer too for when my drunken chat up lines provoke confusion.

Doctor DooM · 24-05-2008 10:49am

beautiation wrote: »

Yeah, that pretty much echoes the remarks on every essay I've ever handed up at college. Last exam was yesterday, I thought I'd escaped for the summer, but noooo...:p
I'll try formatting it but I'm really not a very articulate writer so I don't know what difference it'll make.

beautiation wrote: »

Haha thanks, that's really nice of you!
Can I hire your services from September for next year? Actually, could use your PR skills during the summer too for when my drunken chat up lines provoke confusion.

Hey I got nothing better to do!

Soooooo back on topic...

Dudess · 24-05-2008 10:55am

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

I blame capitalism.

People are too concerned with monetary values than the ones at home.

Poverty suits Ireland better.

Yeah I wish I was poor - it would be awesome. People are constantly ranting about how brilliant Ireland was in the 80s - if only we could go back...

Doctor DooM · 24-05-2008 11:01am

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah I wish I was poor - it would be awesome. People are constantly ranting about how brilliant Ireland was in the 80s - if only we could go back...

TBF, the transformers and U2 WERE better then.

I think Ireland's pretty cool actually. There will always be a scumbag element. TBH I think it's jut getting reported more (there were figures to back this up, need to dig them out, from the AA forum)

Dudess · 24-05-2008 11:10am

beautiation wrote: »

Do you mean respect for your birth family? Cos I never get why that's seen as the litmus test of social values, anymore than the relationship between people and their mates is. My family are a grand bunch who took good care of me growing up, and I'll gladly return the favour financially for them in their dotage, but I don't buy into me having some obligation to devote my time to hanging out with them now when I have other people I'd rather hang out with more. It strikes me as awfully restrictive having to devote huge swathes of your time to a particular bunch of people just cos you lived in the same house as them growing up. My family were a necessary step 1 in life while I learnt how to get along, but they're just people at the end of the day like any others and the whole concept of family pretty much dissolves for me once I'm able to stand on my own 2 feet. Once I have the independence to go out in the world and choose the people I want in my life the family can sink or swim on their own merits in my social calendar tbh. I love them all, but I love my mates even more, and I don't see any reason why blood links should be allowed speak over my heart's desires. Nothing wrong with seeing the old gang every now and then of course, but I never get all these who people who spend their adult lives weighed down with issues with their mother or whatever when it's clearly just a case of them being 2 incompatible people, if you can't get along you can't get along, move on and find other people, there's a whole world of them! People like that are a bit afraid of the scope of the world I think.

What you're saying makes sense all right - we're possibly programmed into believing we must love our families because they're related to us. I don't have a huge amount of respect for my dad and I've a brother whom I don't see that often. But I'm extremely close to my mum and my other brother - but it's more to do with the kind of people they are rather than the fact that I'm related to them.
Still though, a parent might not agree with your view. Maybe children are more important to parents though than parents are to children...

Doctor DooM · 24-05-2008 3:29pm

Dudess wrote: »

What you're saying makes sense all right - we're possibly programmed into believing we must love our families because they're related to us. I don't have a huge amount of respect for my dad and I've a brother whom I don't see that often. But I'm extremely close to my mum and my other brother - but it's more to do with the kind of people they are rather than the fact that I'm related to them.
Still though, a parent might not agree with your view. Maybe children are more important to parents though than parents are to children...

That might be a survival instinct. The important thing is the passing on of the genetic material, so it makes sense for parents to "pay" more to look after their children than vise versa.