Bootcamps in Ireland

gidget

What do other boardsies think???

Is it about time that this country operated this kind of approach on dealing with out of control teenagers here - Nip it in the bud before they get older. I ask this after an article i read in the Irish Mirror today, about how the HSE has come under fire from the Labour party, because it sent 5 teen tearaways to a bootcamp in Nebraska for specialised treatment not available here. Is it not about time that this country operated these kind of places for teenagers who look upon themselves as hard men/women - instead of sending them straight into the holiday camp prison's?

Nerin

gidget wrote: »

What do other boardsies think???

Is it about time that this country operated this kind of approach on dealing with out of control teenagers here - Nip it in the bud before they get older. I ask this after an article i read in the Irish Mirror today, about how the HSE has come under fire from the Labour party, because it sent 5 teen tearaways to a bootcamp in Nebraska for specialised treatment not available here. Is it not about time that this country operated these kind of places for teenagers who look upon themselves as hard men/women - instead of sending them straight into the holiday camp prison's?

em probably not.
*racks brain for name*
cant think of the evil american one that fooked up all those kids. will think...
also, you'd have wanky fundamentalists sending kids for listening to metallica or some shoite.
Nerins verdict -1

Karoma

Which sort of "bootcamp"?
The literal (military) bootcamp - break 'em, train 'em, and release 'em as genuinely hard homicidal-suicidal men/women
or
the televised break 'em, make 'em cry (optionally, for 'good TV') and release 'em as homicidal-suicidal men/women nutcases on society?

Can you clarify that for me please?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

sexual abuse camp would make for great tv

gidget

Which sort of "bootcamp"?
The literal (military) bootcamp - break 'em, train 'em, and release 'em as genuinely hard homicidal-suicidal men/women
or
the televised break 'em, make 'em cry (optionally, for 'good TV') and release 'em as homicidal-suicidal men/women nutcases on society?

Can you clarify that for me please?

A lot of the literal i'd say but throw in some counselling during the stay for the professionals to try and get to the route of their problems and see why they feel the need to act out, with the option of follow up counselling when they get out so as to defer the hard homicidal-suicidal tendencies.

gollyitsolly

Karoma wrote: »

Which sort of "bootcamp"?
The literal (military) bootcamp - break 'em, train 'em, and release 'em as genuinely hard homicidal-suicidal men/women
or
the televised break 'em, make 'em cry (optionally, for 'good TV') and release 'em as homicidal-suicidal men/women nutcases on society?

Can you clarify that for me please?

Yeah, wouldnt work. Rather see them put to physical work in the community or building projects.

Nerin

gidget wrote: »

A lot of the literal i'd say but throw in some counselling during the stay for the professionals to try and get to the route of their problems and see why they feel the need to act out, with the option of follow up counselling when they get out so as to defer the hard homicidal-suicidal tendencies.

what you are describing then is not one of those stupid bootcamps.
its a less stupid bootcamp

gerky

This reminded me of this episode of south park.

[South Park Church, day. Butters and Steven are in the rectory.]
Steven: Father Maxi, I... just don't know where else to turn. You see, I've just learned that my son is... bicurious.
Father Maxi: Is that true, son? Are you feeling... confused?
Butters: ...Yeah, I'm pretty confused alright.
Steven: You see?
Father Maxi: Young man, These confused feelings that you're having are simply the Devil's way of trying to get a hold of you.
Butters: Really?
Steven: What can I do, Father?
Father Maxi: There is a special camp where young men who are confused, like your son, can go and be cleansed by the power of God. Many bicurious boys come out the camp completely cured.
Steven: A secluded camp where lots of bicurious boys are all put together? That sounds like a good idea.
Butters: Whoa boy! Camp!

Sherifu

Bootcamp sounds so gay. No thanks.

Karoma

Sherifu wrote: »

Bootcamp sounds so gay. No thanks.

This one time at bootcamp...

gidget wrote: »

A lot of the literal i'd say but throw in some counselling during the stay for the professionals to try and get to the route of their problems and see why they feel the need to act out, with the option of follow up counselling when they get out so as to defer the hard homicidal-suicidal tendencies.

sounds expensive. Is there a cheaper option? Maybe involving gas and showers?
Seriously, that doesn't really sound like bootcamp. It sounds like counselling. What are the rest of the "bootcamp" activities? why would they be required? to break their spirit? you could probably achieve similiar or even better results with a controlled diet without the need to humiliat and potentially damage a minor.

Mordances with wolves wrote: »

sexual abuse camp would make for great tv

So would an event involving you fighting a kangaroo. Now, be a good boy and shut up before I make the phonecall. ¬_¬

Creature

What about an event involving sexually abusing a kangaroo?

Karoma

Creature wrote: »

What about an event involving sexually abusing a kangaroo?

and Mordeth? Anything involving sex + Mordeth would not make for good TV and would cost far too much in CGI costs, body doubles, etc.
How about no? ¬_¬

Get back on topic NOW.
*shudder*

Gummy Panda

Bootcamp.. meh

We need Battle Royale!!

TomCo

BATUUU ROYAUUU

RonMexico

No what we need is the bootcamp where you send the little bastards never to be seen again.

Karoma

RonMexico wrote: »

No what we need is the bootcamp where you send the little bastards never to be seen again.

See posts above.

The Artist

we dont need bootcamps for the the troubled ones.
What we need is a DIY cell (jail) kits to be put in their rooms of our homes:cool:

Manic Moran

Nerin wrote: »

em probably not.
*racks brain for name*
cant think of the evil american one that fooked up all those kids. will think...
also, you'd have wanky fundamentalists sending kids for listening to metallica or some shoite.
Nerins verdict -1

You talking about Bay County, Florida? Guards allegedly killed a 14-year-old.

I've seen a couple run by the military for juveniles (Grizzly Academy where I went to OCS in California, Blue Grass Academy here in Fort Knox). They are slightly different in that they are more an intervention than an alternative sentencing programme: If they've already got a felony conviction, it's too late. The kids basically volunteer to come to a 6-month residential course, which is a boot-camp-esque environment, with military discipline and oversight, except instead of focusing on kill-the-enemy tasks, the class-work is in the hands of civilian teachers teaching the local academic curriculum. They sleep in platoon bays, the (army) sergeant wakes them up at stupid-O'-Clock, they do PT, squarebashing, and all that good basic-training stuff. End result is that they get some focused educational attention (Hey, they're not allowed off base when they should be doing homework!), are far more likely to graduate high school, get fit, have some appreciation of discipline and teamwork, and often just generally feel better about themselves.

When talking about the utility of alternative sentencing boot camps, however, there's an extra requirement. In order for military discipline to work, there must be an incentive. In basic, it's "If you don't do what you're told, you'll be kicked out and won't be a soldier". In the Youth Academies, it's "If you don't do what you're told, you'll be kicked out and it's back to your previous life in the gangs, without much hope of education." What's the incentive for an alternative sentencing boot camp? "If you don't do six months in boot camp, you'll be doing six months in jail". Some may find the latter option more appealing. Some may not. The trick is to weed out the people whom a boot camp environment will not help, and focus on those for whom it will do some good.

The short version of the above is that a boot camp must only consist of people who want to be there. Anything else is disruptive of those who do, and is a waste of time and effort. It would be a mistake to consider that if a juvenile is sent to one that it automatically will make a difference or prove beneficial.

NTM

TomCo

RonMexico wrote: »

No what we need is the bootcamp where you send the little bastards never to be seen again.

You're thinking of a different kind of camp..................for the jews.

If you get my meaning.

HITLER