Audley Harrison

nacho libre

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=14014

This just underlines what a joke the Heavyweight division is at the moment

joepenguin

Yeah, didn't see that one coming :eek: then again Harrison and Skelton probably didn't either.

King of Kings

barry mcguigan became a legend in my eyes when he called him "fraudley"

The Artist

nacho libre wrote: »

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=14014

This just underlines what a joke the Heavyweight division is at the moment

i agree with you there.
audley the fraudley is a farce to fight peters or skelton imo.
Look what michael sprott did to him ,Sucker punch down went fraudley!
Lost to Sinan Samil Sam (Turkey) points.
I wouldnt back audley again not in a million years!

BigglesMcGee

The worst excuse for a boxer ...... ever. always has been.

HollowMan

The worst excuse for a boxer ...... ever. always has been.

Even when he won a gold medal in the Olympic Games?

dlofnep

You have to take it for what it is - a warmup fight. If you think this is only happening in today's boxing scene, then you've a very limited memory.

Big Ears

dlofnep wrote: »

You have to take it for what it is - a warmup fight. If you think this is only happening in today's boxing scene, then you've a very limited memory.

Well apparently it's not going ahead and Audley will be fighting Martin Rogan instead . But you are too right , easy defenses/tune ups/stay busy fights have been around forever .

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=10547&cat=boxer
there were commonplace in his time .

http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=5099

look at the headline fight there , and Bowe was considered as the real champ too not just a title holder like Peter . Ferguson may have had wins over Douglas and Mercer but he was an out and out journeyman , and a worse opponent than Harrison .

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=150&cat=boxer
He had a good few easy defences

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=9027&cat=boxer
At one stage his opponents were being called the 'bum of the month' , this was partially to do with Louis' activity(fighting once a month) and how easily he cut through them , but there were a lot of average fighters in there .

Holyfield defended against Bert Cooper(and was given plenty of trouble) , although in fairness Cooper was a replacement at short notice .

The only Heavyweight champ in history that stands out from avoiding easy defences is Lewis , although even he had Phil Jackson early in his first title reign .

Easy defences are a part of boxing , and provided the champion is very active there is nor problem with it .

Look at Christian Mijares http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=125338&cat=boxer
He had a joke of a defence against Franck Gorjux , he's probably only the 4/5th best Flyweight in France(if you include Light-Flyweight Asloum) but still he fought for a World title up at Super-Flyweight against the best champion there..........he was stopped in 1 round .

Now that would be disgraceful if not for the fact Mijares has fought 5 times in the last 13 months and has beaten Jorge Arce , Jose Navarro and Alexander Munoz in doing so . When you're clearing up all the very best contenders around you(with the exception of Montiel who he is sure to fight soon) , and winning unification fights then it's not hard to forgive a gimme fight ever so often .

nacho libre

dlofnep wrote: »

You have to take it for what it is - a warmup fight. If you think this is only happening in today's boxing scene, then you've a very limited memory.

I'm aware of that.
The heavyweight scene being what it is today isn't helped by fights like this. Anyway, big ears has spoken and the fights not going ahead. So that's that.

Hero Of College

nacho libre wrote: »

I'm aware of that.
The heavyweight scene being what it is today isn't helped by fights like this. Anyway, big ears has spoken and the fights not going ahead. So that's that.

Funny thing, nobody thought the heavyweight division was in trouble till the Americans told us it was. Oh, them and Steve Dunce/David Haye.

cowzerp

Big Ears wrote: »

The only Heavyweight champ in history that stands out from avoiding easy defences is Lewis , although even he had Phil Jackson early in his first title reign .

You've got to be joking??
Lewis fought names alright but they where all finished there carreers when they fought him, Tyson or Evander would of made short work of him in there peaks! Klitscho beat him about but was robbed of a rematch! Lewis fought plenty of cans and then past it legends..

megadodge

You've got to be joking??
Lewis fought names alright but they where all finished there carreers when they fought him, Tyson or Evander would of made short work of him in there peaks! Klitscho beat him about but was robbed of a rematch! Lewis fought plenty of cans and then past it legends..

I think you must be joking.

Name one fighter Lewis ducked.

Lewis ducked absolutely NOBODY !!

He was the one who was avoided (remember Bowe throwing the WBC belt in a bin rather than fight him). You're making it out that Lewis waited until good fighters were way past their best before they fought, when the reality was they were world champions (Tyson & Holyfield) when Lewis was still an amateur !! It's hardly his fault that their careers didn't run exactly parallel !!

Whatever your opinion on his overall standing (I think he'd have given any heavy in history problems) there is now way he can ever be accused of not fighting anybody.

The Artist

i remember when lewis fought mercer imo even though it was a 10 rounder beat lewis,bloody judging system.
referee: Arthur Mercante Jr. | judge: George Colon 96-94 | judge: Luis Rivera 96-95 | judge: Melvina Lathan 95-95 ~

megadodge

I have that fight on DVD also and it was definitely tight, but I thought Lewis nicked it in the last 2 rounds.

I don't have a problem with people seeing it the other way though.

The Artist

megadodge wrote: »

I have that fight on DVD also and it was definitely tight, but I thought Lewis nicked it in the last 2 rounds.

I don't have a problem with people seeing it the other way though.

you have it on dvd!
im sure mercer got badly swollen after the fight or was it lewis?

megadodge

It's been a while since I last watched it now, but I think Lewis was pretty badly swollen around the eyes by the end.

The Artist

megadodge wrote: »

It's been a while since I last watched it now, but I think Lewis was pretty badly swollen around the eyes by the end.

saw the whole fight.
mercer should have won alright.
mercers left were explosive!
As the stats shows Lewis landed at 44% while Mercer was 59%!
Mercer had a slight puff on his left eye but god look at Lewis what a mess!
He had to put on sunglasses while being interviewed.
If it had went 12 rounds id say mercer would have knocked Lewis out.
Great fight though,worth a watch.

Big Ears

Alan Ford wrote: »

saw the whole fight.
mercer should have won alright.
mercers left were explosive!
As the stats shows Lewis landed at 44% while Mercer was 59%!
Mercer had a slight puff on his left eye but god look at Lewis what a mess!
He had to put on sunglasses while being interviewed.
If it had went 12 rounds id say mercer would have knocked Lewis out.
Great fight though,worth a watch.

I've watched the fight but can't remember who I had winning , from what I gather many feel it was a close decision and a lot of people(possibly the majority) felt Mercer won .

Then again there are some who feel Ken Norton should be 3-0 against Ali .
Even great champions can be gotten the better of by good/very good fighters

Hero Of College

I'll tell you something- if there is one fighter that Harrisson reminds me of, its David Haye. And if there is one fighter Haye reminds me of, its Harrisson.

The parallels are astonishing. Haye is translating two wins in the CRUISER division into some big hooplah at Heavyweight, woth Audley for his part attempting to parlay Olympic success into fortune and fame. Neither of them has fought for or won a British, European or Commonwealth title at Heavyweight. Yet here both of them are passing themselves off as worthwhile contenders.

Worse yet, both of them have press agents and media reps who are pushing their case for them. Harrisson has had more second chances than your average teenager, while Haye got KTFO at Cruiser, and beats another chinny banger in Enzo and suddenly feels he IS the man at Heavyweight.

The Heavyweight division is not in a mess. Even if it was, its not in a mess because there are bad fighters and bad fights. Its in a mess because the likes of David Haye, a man with 1 fight in the division who has NEVER won or fought for a title at 200+ is allowed to go on TV and refer to an established champ like Klitschko as being " a bit dry...he's just breaking through". Klitschko has fought and beaten Botha, Barrett, Jefferson, ByrdX2, Brock, Ibragimov, Peter, Austin, Williamson, Ray Mercer, Castillo, McCline, Brewster etc...to name just a few.

He has avenged one of his losses at Heavyweight. Did Haye avenge his loss at Cruiser? Did he f*ck.:mad:

The fact that Sellotanta stand up and tell us that Haye "is sexy" and that Haye "is the saviour" means absolutely f(*k all. I mean, the fact that Hayes ONLY win at Heavyweight was over an Audley Harrisson victim tells all you need to know about the cabalistic nature of the English fight scene. They fight each others leftovers. Haye, who hasn't even announced his next opponent, has had the Sellotanta-approved opportunity to tell us that Tony Thompson is a nobody. Well....who are you fighting David??

Haye. Harrison.

Typical shoddy English merchandise the PAIR OF THEM.

Skelton, McDermott, Haye, Harrisson and Williams- forget the Eastern Euros, its Skelton and buddies who form the faecal afterbirth of the heavyweight division. Let THEM fight each other and let their best man come forward.

Big Ears

Hero Of College wrote: »

I'll tell you something- if there is one fighter that Harrisson reminds me of, its David Haye. And if there is one fighter Haye reminds me of, its Harrisson.

The parallels are astonishing. Haye is translating two wins in the CRUISER division into some big hooplah at Heavyweight, woth Audley for his part attempting to parlay Olympic success into fortune and fame. Neither of them has fought for or won a British, European or Commonwealth title at Heavyweight. Yet here both of them are passing themselves off as worthwhile contenders.

Worse yet, both of them have press agents and media reps who are pushing their case for them. Harrisson has had more second chances than your average teenager, while Haye got KTFO at Cruiser, and beats another chinny banger in Enzo and suddenly feels he IS the man at Heavyweight.

The Heavyweight division is not in a mess. Even if it was, its not in a mess because there are bad fighters and bad fights. Its in a mess because the likes of David Haye, a man with 1 fight in the division who has NEVER won or fought for a title at 200+ is allowed to go on TV and refer to an established champ like Klitschko as being " a bit dry...he's just breaking through". Klitschko has fought and beaten Botha, Barrett, Jefferson, ByrdX2, Brock, Ibragimov, Peter, Austin, Williamson, Ray Mercer, Castillo, McCline, Brewster etc...to name just a few.

He has avenged one of his losses at Heavyweight. Did Haye avenge his loss at Cruiser? Did he f*ck.:mad:

The fact that Sellotanta stand up and tell us that Haye "is sexy" and that Haye "is the saviour" means absolutely f(*k all. I mean, the fact that Hayes ONLY win at Heavyweight was over an Audley Harrisson victim tells all you need to know about the cabalistic nature of the English fight scene. They fight each others leftovers. Haye, who hasn't even announced his next opponent, has had the Sellotanta-approved opportunity to tell us that Tony Thompson is a nobody. Well....who are you fighting David??

Haye. Harrison.

Typical shoddy English merchandise the PAIR OF THEM.

Skelton, McDermott, Haye, Harrisson and Williams- forget the Eastern Euros, its Skelton and buddies who form the faecal afterbirth of the heavyweight division. Let THEM fight each other and let their best man come forward.

Couldn't disagree more , Haye's pro career has been full of risk and he was fastracked to the top . Harrison on the other hand took his multi-million(because it turned out to be more than just the original £1 million) pound BBC deal , laughed all the way to the bank and faught the Julius Francis' and Richel Hersisia's of this World for 4 and a 1/2 years till he fought for the Commonwealth title against Danny Williams.........and he lost too in a very boring fight .

The only parrallels between them is hype , Harrison's was obviously unjustified , but Haye has so far backed up everything he has said , he is extremely ambitious and usually true to his word . Audley on the other hand would lie to your face so much that he starts to believe those lies .

We've only ever had one undisputed Cruiserweight champion move up to Heavyweight , everyone doubted him(it's where the nickname Real Deal came from) and he lived up to the hype . Now that of course doesn't mean Haye is gonna be heavyweight champion but it gives us an indication that it can be done .

Haye didn't get KTFO at Cruiser , did you watch the fight ? . Ya he got stopped , but he got stopped because he pounded on Thompson non stop for 4 rounds till he punched himself out , it turns out 'The Cat' had more than 9 lives and considering Thompson was a Cruiserweight champion with a record for comebacks of that nature there was no shame in that loss .
David Haye was 23 years old , going into his 11th fight and he had been a pro less than 2 years . Haye had never been passed 4 rounds and in retrospect it was a ridiculous gamble considering what Thompson had done to the highly rated Sebastien Rothmann 7 months previously .

Now Harrison at the same time in his career was facing Matthew Ellis(a blown up Cruiserweight) , hey maybe there are more parallels here than I thought , they both were fighting Cruiserweights around the same timeframe in their careers , except Haye's opponent was World level and Harrison's was domestic......and Harrison was also a full blown Heavy unlike Haye........and he was 31..........and there was way more hype about him .

Haye looked for a rematch with Thompson , Thompson said no(and didn't care how much he was offered) and retired . What do you expect him to do , turn up at Thompson's house with a referee and two pairs of gloves ?

Yes Wlad has beaten lots of good opponents at heavyweight , but by breaking through he probably means going from one of the heavyweight champions to the heavyweight champion . It seems that since he beat Ibragimov most are recognizing him as the real champion(which I've no problem with) or at least putting him on a pedestal above the rest , so in that sense he is just breaking through as the heavyweight champion and it's only now he's going on tv programmes(he was on either ledderman or the tonight show before the Ibragimov fight) to sell himself as someone the casual fan watches , so it's only now he's starting to sell his personality .


Bonin wasn't great , but Harrison's win over him was premature(9th round stoppage) while Haye blew him away in a round . Bonin held a #11 ranking in the WBC at the time so that fight made sense for Haye(he's now #5 in the WBC heavyweight rankings) .


Now disrespect to Tony Thompson but he is a nobody , he's big and has okay skills , but lacks speed and power and Wlad will take care of him easily .
Now it would be easy to say 'well it's easy for Haye to disrespect Thompson , he's probably gonna fight a nobody to make himself look good', It is written into David Haye's contract with Setanta that he most fight opponents with a top 10 ranking in at least 1 of the 4 main sanctioning bodies rankings or Setanta won't show the fight , and as far as I'm aware Haye actually looked for this . How ambitious is that , how can you dislike something like that .

Haye can't fight any of those group as their not ranked in the top ten of anybody's World rankings .

Haye looks for the best challenge and takes it , Harrison hides from it .
Haye knocked out the European Cruiserweight champion in one round , he knocked out the undisputed Cruiserweight champion in 7 , and was heavily dropped.........that only adds to the excitement of Haye , he knocked out one of the other Cruiserweight title holders in 2 rounds , he ko'ed his first heavyweight opponent in a round .

He's a well skilled , big enough(he won't be small at heavy) guy with phenomenal power a shaky chin , questioned stamina , great speed , who looks for the knockout , is good at selling fights and looks for the biggest fights out there.........what is there to dislike about the guy other than thinking he's a cocky prat .

Harrison on the other hand , is extremely boring , a natural heavyweight , average heavyweight power(his left uppercut is pretty strong though) , won't engage and come forward like Haye , refuses to fight the best and actively avoids a challenge , can't sell a fight cause people know by now he never backs up what he says and is oblivious to his actual talent and strengths .

I just think you dislike Haye and are trying your best to discredit him , and I get the feeling you are hoping he fails at Heavyweight .