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Hands on with Renault?
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17-05-2008 10:41am#1
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Are you trolling or stupid or both? First of all the OP asked for "hands on" experiences of the Renault Scenic 1.4 2001-2002, you don't have any hands on experience of this car and neither does "pretty much everyone on this forum".
A calm, dignified response I see:rolleyes:...
My late da had a Megane for about 6 years which he bought 'nearly new'. It was the worst cars ever brought about the place - various electronic glitches and it was pretty much spent by 100,000 miles (although as the odometer had stopped working at this point the mileage was a bit of a guess:rolleyes:). This is despite having been well maintained and was in stark contrast to Japanese, German and even British cars he'd owned previously.
I think that counts for 'hands on' experience...
In addition, I can think of at least 6 friends, neighbours and colleagues who have had similar experience with Renaults over the last 10 years. So I'm not talking about a 1978 Renault 18 from my toddling days as you infer... There's plenty of evidence - online, offline, anecdotally - to suggest the marque is WELL BELOW AVERAGE when it comes to reliability. Even Renault top-brass themselves admitted it at the launch of the Laguna III. To try and claim anything else indicates that you are the one who is either 'trolling or stupid'...The Renault forums website is excellent - infomed opinions from people who actually own and work on Renaults. Specific, constructive advice not some nonsense that someone heard down the pub or from a taxi driver.
Now this is the bit that makes me laugh - the saddos on the Renault forums. The mere fact that such forums exist is damning enough. When was the last time you came across a forum dedicated to DIY fix-its for Toyotas, Mazdas, Hondas, Skodas?If anything, reading that website you'd get an overly pessimistic view of Renault reliability as many posters only seek out the site when they have a problem.
...that's really clutching at straws and sounds like an ass-covering exercise because you know if I bother loooking up a Renault forum it will be full of desperate Renault owners proving the very point I'm making!.:D 0 -
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The Clio is fine folks. Well regarded in the trade. The issues apply to Meganes and Lagunas,
and also to a few non volume sellers such as the Espace (Espastic - not too p.c. there).
The keyless thing has been nailed perfectly by other manufacturers incidentally.0 -
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here is one for Toyota's - http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/
problems posted on the mighty Avensis in the last month range from brakes, turbo, overheating, head gaskets, low revs & stalling...
toyota's --- pure rubbish ....A calm, dignified response I see:rolleyes:...
My late da had a Megane for about 6 years which he bought 'nearly new'. It was the worst cars ever brought about the place - various electronic glitches and it was pretty much spent by 100,000 miles (although as the odometer had stopped working at this point the mileage was a bit of a guess:rolleyes:). This is despite having been well maintained and was in stark contrast to Japanese, German and even British cars he'd owned previously.
I think that counts for 'hands on' experience...
In addition, I can think of at least 6 friends, neighbours and colleagues who have had similar experience with Renaults over the last 10 years. So I'm not talking about a 1978 Renault 18 from my toddling days as you infer... There's plenty of evidence - online, offline, anecdotally - to suggest the marque is WELL BELOW AVERAGE when it comes to reliability. Even Renault top-brass themselves admitted it at the launch of the Laguna III. To try and claim anything else indicates that you are the one who is either 'trolling or stupid'...
Now this is the bit that makes me laugh - the saddos on the Renault forums. The mere fact that such forums exist is damning enough. When was the last time you came across a forum dedicated to DIY fix-its for Toyotas, Mazdas, Hondas, Skodas? ...that's really clutching at straws and sounds like an ass-covering exercise because you know if I bother loooking up a Renault forum it will be full of desperate Renault owners proving the very point I'm making!.:D0 -
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The missus has a 2000 scenic, 1.4 16v. Bought it second hand 5 years ago, and so far (touches wood) have had no major problems with it.
Being a 1.4 I find it under powered, the boss dosn't have a problem with it, it's her car...
having said that we have just come back from a week in france covering over 1100 miles with out a bother.
It is great as a family car, individual rear seats, great for runs to the dump, take out the seats and you can really pack in a lot of rubbish
Twin sunroof, air con, nice relatively high driving position, comfy long distance car, but soft in the bends. The onboard computer says that it averages 39.8mpg at the moment.
The only nasty shock we got was when we got the timing belt / service done, renault wanted over €1300, got it done by an independant for €850.
We don't expect to get much for it at this stage, 8 years old with over 90,000miles, was hoping to change it for a Corolla Verso this year.
Had a slight problem with restarting the car once warm, mechanic couldn't find any faults on his diagnostic equipment, so i had a look at a renault forum saw it was a common enough problem with a very easy and cheap fix.
Have heard of other horror stories but so far so good 0 -
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scenics are ok , for safetys sake go for a 2001+ but mechanically , 1994-1999 where the best
renaults are Very relyable its only the driver who isnt.... see the main issue is back in the days ( pre 2000 ) where certins models ( like the clio ) where manual choke and such and people who couldn't use this destroyed the engines in them by stalling all day long.
but yeah pre-2000 renault is the best bet because you can buy litterally 2 and use one for parts if you need them.
the max milege id go for on a renault is around 400k. haven said that , id probbaly only use it for parts with that kinda milage but dont let the badge put you off , Most of these cars where built to last.... if they dont, make em !
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Well, we've had 3 - an I'm sorry we didn't go again, last time.........buying a Mazda instead (long story...)
I bought a new Mk 1 Scenic 1.4, a new facelift one (00) - and sold the other one to sister in law - and then an RX 4. The first two were new. The only issue we ever had, was with the 00 one (facelift) - coilpacks. However, the problem is so widespread you can now buy 4 new ones on eBay for peanuts - it isn't even worth taking it to a dealer to tell you what you know already. I got about 2 years out of a set of coilpacks, and cost Eur100 to replace, inside 10 minutes with one screwdriver.
Timing belt change on it - well here in Galway it cost Eur 350, so paying 850-1350 has nothing to do with the car - it's the garage you're dealing with....
My sis-in-law did over 90k before killing the first Scenic - not mechanically, but cosmetically -a complete shed...........so it got traded in after 8 years. We did 88k in ours and outside of the coilpacks it needed nothing - 2 sets of tyres, one set of brake pads, and it ran like as swiss watch. We still see it about, and it's still perfect. Ditto a friends 00 reg 1.4 Megane coupe with 100k + on it. Put it this way, the local garage here has no problem trading in Clio's and Scenic's - he tells me he has fewer after sales problems with those than Polo's or Golf's...........
They use no oil, like loads of revs, and I've never heard of the usual VAG problems like MAF's etc. In 3 Scenic's I never even had to change a clutch in 150k miles. Show me a VAG that's got that far, that cheaply.......
The RX4 was lovely - but godawful slow. Full leather, etc. Should have kept it and chipped it, but didn't.........instead, bought a spanking new 07 Galaxy TDci Zetec (current model ) to replace it - but it was a nightmare. Lovely car, lovely to drive - but couldn't trust it - lot's of turbo and elec issues with them, so off it went at 3 months old..........and bought an 02 Mazda 2.0 diesel - even with a 85k miles, and a history - it has turned out to be a nightmare. Engine has now officially expired at 88k miles, and I'm 13k out of pocket :mad:
So far, the 968 has proven cheaper to run than anything bar the Scenic's.
So, buy a 1.4 Scenic 16v (avoid the key-card models - they're slow as hell), or a 968....simple, really. Ode To The Motorist
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OP, the best advice is to check the car out thoroughly and get a decent warranty (assuming you are buying from dealer). A lot of these stories about Renault reliability, or lack thereof, are carried down stories from the 70's.
I own a Renault myself. This is despite my family, some of my friends, my mechanic (I get servicing done privately in the evenings) and my local Renault garage telling me to get shot of it quick. It gets bad when the Renault garage themselves tell you to sell one of their own make!
I bought mine privately, but got a great price for it as a result. I intend switching, but will switch up to the next Renault like this, the Vel Satis, after a thorough inspection, of course.
It's a '00 Safrane, so plenty of electrics that could potentially go belly-up, and in nearly two years it has only had wear-and-tear issues: shocks, bump stops, the bits that go onto your wishbones (x3), a couple of blown bulbs and normal service items. [I get this done every 4,000 miles, the car has 140,000 on it]. It is a 2.0 Petrol auto.
On a side-note, the car does have a Volvo engine and the autobox is Asin-Warner, not Renault, so maybe I allowed some of my Dad's rabid anti-Renault ethos in somewhere as a compromise. 0 -
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