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Fail Finals?

  • 15-05-2008 11:11pm
    #1
    Strongbad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭


    If you fail the final exams is there anyway you can repeat the year etc? I know there is no repeats


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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
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    You can, although (if I remember correctly) most courses only let you compete for the honours degree once.


  • #3
    ApeXaviour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,523 ✭✭✭ApeXaviour


    Most trinity degrees afaik have basically awarded you an ordinary degree by getting past JS. If you fail finals you just get awarded that.

    If you think you're going to fail, then don't sit them. You can go off books, and sit them with next year's class. Talk to your tutor.


  • #4
    Strongbad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭Strongbad


    Thanks for the info. Does it cost anything to do them off books? Probably a bit late to think about deferring them now


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
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    Serious bad karma off this thread :(

    I think, but Bartley / Yout tutor / Myth will know better, that if you have a medical reason its free to repeat the year, otherwise you have to pay fees next year.


  • #6
    thecheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭thecheese


    If you think you're going to fail, then don't sit them. You can go off books, and sit them with next year's class. Talk to your tutor.

    I'm a JS Physics student, not feeling too good about these exams either.. Talked to my tutor today but he never mentioned anything about the possibility of deferring the year. Do you know if this is possible for JS too?


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  • #7
    [Deleted User]
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    You can do repeat in JS


  • #8
    Awayindahils
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭Awayindahils


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You can do repeat in JS


    Not if JS counts towards your degree you can't. BESS and Computer Science are fairly unique in that the only degree year is 4th year.


  • #9
    [Deleted User]
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    You sure? BESS awards a pass degree for its JS students and you can do repeats.


  • #10
    [Deleted User]
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    Awayindahils wrote: »
    Not if JS counts towards your degree you can't. BESS and Computer Science are fairly unique in that the only degree year is 4th year.

    Same for Engineering - you can do repeats in JS.

    Some engineering courses are SS year for degree only.


  • #11
    Tricity Bendix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭Tricity Bendix


    ApeXaviour wrote: »
    If you think you're going to fail, then don't sit them. You can go off books, and sit them with next year's class. Talk to your tutor.
    So very, very tempting.


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  • #12
    ApeXaviour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,523 ✭✭✭ApeXaviour


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You can do repeat in JS
    JS physics has no supplemental exams.

    TheCheese, it's really up to you. You probably won't get off-books unless you have a good reason, and you're tutor is willing to back it up. You can repeat the year. I'd say try for the exams anyway, there's nothing really to be gained by not sitting them. JS only counts ~20% towards your final grade. You'll be allowed repeat the year (for €6K or so) if you're not eligible to proceed into SS with your class (i.e. get at least 45% overall this year).


  • #13
    thecheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭thecheese


    Thanks for the advice ApeXaviour. I think I will go ahead and sit them,I have a decent enough continuous assessment grade so might be able to pass with the help of one or two of the easier questions on the papers.

    Good luck to everyone sitting exams in the coming weeks!


  • #14
    [Deleted User]
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    ApeXaviour wrote: »
    JS physics has no supplemental exams.

    TheCheese, it's really up to you. You probably won't get off-books unless you have a good reason, and you're tutor is willing to back it up. You can repeat the year. I'd say try for the exams anyway, there's nothing really to be gained by not sitting them. JS only counts ~20% towards your final grade. You'll be allowed repeat the year (for €6K or so) if you're not eligible to proceed into SS with your class (i.e. get at least 45% overall this year).

    You need 50% to pass JS BESS


  • #15
    [Deleted User]
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    b.ie curious wrote: »
    So very, very tempting.

    You aren't going to fail!


  • #16
    Boston
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    ApeXaviour wrote: »
    Most trinity degrees afaik have basically awarded you an ordinary degree by getting past JS. If you fail finals you just get awarded that.

    If you think you're going to fail, then don't sit them. You can go off books, and sit them with next year's class. Talk to your tutor.

    In engineering you have to repeat the final year and pass in order to get the pass degree. You're absolutely right about not sitting them if you feel you're going to fail.

    Keep in mind, theres fairly wide compensation rules for final year, the only people I know to have failed in my year, failed a majority of subjects. Some faired 4 subjects and where awarded a grade.


  • #17
    ApeXaviour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,523 ✭✭✭ApeXaviour


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You need 50% to pass JS BESS
    That's with a bell-curve distribution, the few at the bottom are "weeded". The distribution of grades in a quantitative subject such as physics is almost an inverse of that. i.e. it's easier to do very well, but also a lot easier to fail. So you hardly anyone will get II-2s, and the 45% mark cuts out between 1/3 and 1/2 of the class.


  • #18
    Epic Tissue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Epic Tissue


    Awayindahils wrote: »
    Not if JS counts towards your degree you can't. BESS and Computer Science are fairly unique in that the only degree year is 4th year.

    That has been changed with regards to CS, although doesn't effect people graduating in 2008 or 2009.


  • #19
    ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 760 ✭✭✭ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI


    ApeXaviour wrote: »
    Most trinity degrees afaik have basically awarded you an ordinary degree by getting past JS. If you fail finals you just get awarded that.

    If you think you're going to fail, then don't sit them. You can go off books, and sit them with next year's class. Talk to your tutor.

    If you do this, can you still get a I, II.1, etc? Or will you just get a Pass Honours degree when you get your results?


  • #20
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote: »
    If you do this, can you still get a I, II.1, etc? Or will you just get a Pass Honours degree when you get your results?

    You only get one chance of getting a first or second grade. If you haven't sat the exams and are given leave to sit them off books then yes you can obtain a first or second. If, however, you've sat any of the exams, then you can only obtain a pass result when sitting them for a second time, off books or otherwise. Sitting exams off books is generally not a great idea.


  • #21
    [Deleted User]
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    Boston wrote: »
    You only get one chance of getting a first or second grade. If you haven't sat the exams and are given leave to sit them off books then yes you can obtain a first or second. If, however, you've sat any of the exams, then you can only obtain a pass result when sitting them for a second time, off books or otherwise. Sitting exams off books is generally not a great idea.

    This is true in the general case, but I have knowledge of one student who repeated SS Engineering having taken the exams a second time and was given the honours degree purely due to the level of achievement (a very good first apparently).

    The School lobbied on her behalf due to the result.


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