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ventian final table --a bit of controversy

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  • 15-05-2008 11:40pm
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    bombinator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭


    ok- played 150 buy in ventian.\90 players and down to 8..
    i knew a few of the players as they were same final table with me in the 550 buyin on saturday in same casino..
    split 5 ways- so they knew i could play and respected my game\ we also had good banter at table
    ok here what happened

    i was very short stacked and had about 21,000 left with blinds at 3,000\6,000 and 500ante.
    in raised 19,500 leaving myself 1,500 behind..AQs...hand is irrevlant..im not sure why i decided to leave that little behind-
    next----monster chip leader with 150,000 in big blind went all in- he was a complete pric k and anignorant cocky yank.
    i started laughing and saying in joking expression as i threw my remaining chipsd into pot,"im going to fold with this much left"---immmediatly he siad my hand was dead as i said fold....
    the table were mostly on my side as they knew i was joking. any way management called over and after while of argueing to and fro my hand was deemed dead.
    i was so angry- because the yank was acting like child laughing and giggling and showed no respect whatsoever. he had 150,000 in chips and to win pot this way showed no class...\
    please comment on this- i was pissed, more at hes attitude and demeaner than my hand being deemed dead..
    tought poker players had class,respect and good will--
    i got 420 for my troubles but hasd potential for more--


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    #2
    The Al Lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭The Al Lad


    meh...Yank pub players:rolleyes:


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    sickpuppy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 955 ✭✭✭sickpuppy


    Personally id have bit the fools nose off or some other violent action.
    Poker players do mostly have class but theres millions of poker players so your bound to run into knuts like that.
    SEems like ahome town decision and pure angle shoot blatant cheating by said yank.
    Perhaps the casino has some daft rule where a worded action eg call or fold
    stands its abd form by that bollix but next time just go all in or say {CALL} easy eh?


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    connie147
    Registered Users Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭connie147


    bombinator wrote: »
    ok- played 150 buy in ventian.\90 players and down to 8..
    i knew a few of the players as they were same final table with me in the 550 buyin on saturday in same casino..
    split 5 ways- so they knew i could play and respected my game\ we also had good banter at table
    ok here what happened

    i was very short stacked and had about 21,000 left with blinds at 3,000\6,000 and 500ante.
    in raised 19,500 leaving myself 1,500 behind..AQs...hand is irrevlant..im not sure why i decided to leave that little behind-
    next----monster chip leader with 150,000 in big blind went all in- he was a complete pric k and anignorant cocky yank.
    i started laughing and saying in joking expression as i threw my remaining chipsd into pot,"im going to fold with this much left"---immmediatly he siad my hand was dead as i said fold....
    the table were mostly on my side as they knew i was joking. any way management called over and after while of argueing to and fro my hand was deemed dead.
    i was so angry- because the yank was acting like child laughing and giggling and showed no respect whatsoever. he had 150,000 in chips and to win pot this way showed no class...\
    please comment on this- i was pissed, more at hes attitude and demeaner than my hand being deemed dead..
    tought poker players had class,respect and good will--
    i got 420 for my troubles but hasd potential for more--


    If you put your chips in the pot and still had your cards, I cant imagine how any tournament director could rule your hand dead. If it was me, I would have told told the TD that what I said was "I'm hardly going to fold for this much". No way could he rule against you then.

    Very ul.

    Connie


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    Conbro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Conbro


    To be quite honest I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for you. This topic has been covered many times and your actions in my opinion seem very naive. The view that Americans are notorious for angle shooting has been expressed by many posters who have visited Vegas along with the widely held belief that they will do anything possible to aqquire your chips. I'm not condoning the actions of this classless yank for one second but ultimately you gave him the opportunity to have your chips taken on a technicality. If this area hadnt been covered so comprehensively as it has been over the last 6 months my attitude would probably be different. Smell the coffee dude.


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    kakak1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭kakak1


    Conbro wrote: »
    To be quite honest I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for you. This topic has been covered many times and your actions in my opinion seem very naive. The view that Americans are notorious for angle shooting has been expressed by many posters who have visited Vegas along with the widely held belief that they will do anything possible to aqquire your chips. I'm not condoning the actions of this classless yank for one second but ultimately you gave him the opportunity to have your chips taken on a technicality. If this area hadnt been covered so comprehensively as it has been over the last 6 months my attitude would probably be different. Smell the coffee dude.


    jasus you sound a right bundle of laughs


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    NickyOD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,124 ✭✭✭NickyOD


    From my experience of tournaments in Vegas and certain EPTs american TDs tend to completely cave and side with whoever does the most bitching and moaning, regardless of however ludicrous the ruling might be.

    Killing your hand there is just a ****ed up ruling.


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    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,082 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Don't know how these people get jobs.


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    jbravado
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭jbravado


    Conbro wrote: »
    To be quite honest I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for you. This topic has been covered many times and your actions in my opinion seem very naive. The view that Americans are notorious for angle shooting has been expressed by many posters who have visited Vegas along with the widely held belief that they will do anything possible to aqquire your chips. I'm not condoning the actions of this classless yank for one second but ultimately you gave him the opportunity to have your chips taken on a technicality. If this area hadnt been covered so comprehensively as it has been over the last 6 months my attitude would probably be different. Smell the coffee dude.


    Your having a fooking giraffe Conor. I too would have attempted to bash said yank. What a monkey.


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    #10
    Ramiriquez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Ramiriquez


    NickyOD wrote: »
    Killing your hand there is just a ****ed up ruling.

    +1


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    #11
    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    gone are the days when common sense ruled


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    #12
    Daithio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭Daithio


    Ariadne Chilly Chickpea wrote: »
    gone are the days when common sense ruled

    Did common sense ever rule?


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    Spuca
    Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭Spuca


    He's a prick,

    however,

    He was right. You were wrong.

    Lesson learnt.


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    cardshark202
    Registered Users Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    wtf, at what point was the prick right? Your hand isn't even close to dead imo. I would never raise off like 99% of my chips like that though but thats neither here nor there. That guy is one hell of an asshole, the td is obv just an idiot.
    UL


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    #15
    jimmii
    Registered Users Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    If part of the rules is that verbal declarations stand then mentioning the word fold at any point is taking a chance.


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    cardshark202
    Registered Users Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    jimmii wrote: »
    If part of the rules is that verbal declarations stand then mentioning the word fold at any point is taking a chance.

    So if you say: "I'm NOT folding", thats a fold then right? I mean you verbally declared that you were NOT folding, but you also mentioned the word fold. So what is it? Do you see how this makes no sense now?


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