It feels so wrong ...

440Hz

I think I need to post in PI, I am officially traumatised - I used a

Windows

machine today :eek:

It was awful. A truly traumatic experience. I could barely remember a thing. And what's worse is I'm going to have to use it every day. I'll need all my strength just to press the on button.

Thankfully, there is always something nicer waiting at home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmWw6kRDwko

unclebill98

I had to use a windows machine to do some work on amps etc for the last week....

Horrible. Even the simple things where impossible to find! glad I am back on my mac!

Problem is, I've to use it again. No bootcamp for me

Kintarō Hattori

Ahh would you both stop. Windows machine's aren't that bad.

Dont be at yourself

I have to use a Vista notebook in work. It's horrible.

*Tripper*

I had to use my mates Dell with Vista for some college stuff, it was actually like I had some sort of mental problem using it, I just couldn't!

projectmayhem

i use vista on my gaming PC and have to use XP in work. it's not nearly as apocolyptic as you guys are making it out to be, but when something goes wrong (which is more often then not) it's a complete pain in the arse, whereas my mac hasn't had 1 hiccup since i got it...

Ginger

440Hz i knew you would see the light some day!

conchubhar1

im using one now - but i use me macbook for anything other than internet - and when at college or anywhere where i can get internet i use it exclusively

windows just doesnt work as i want- as in at a decent speed and without hassle

440Hz

Ginger wrote: »

440Hz i knew you would see the light some day!

Careful now!

Ginger

who what in the where now?

ZENER

Come on with the come on !!!!

440Hz feel sorry for those of us who have to service the things. I'd starve only for those yokes !!:)

ZEN

BanzaiBk

projectmayhem wrote: »

i use vista on my gaming PC and have to use XP in work. it's not nearly as apocolyptic as you guys are making it out to be

They are more than likely joking.

440Hz

Ginger wrote: »

who what in the where now?

Here, I'm warning ya! I know where Stevie lives remember

Yes, to anyone who is genuinely concerned, this thread is a lighthearted joke. Another full day of XP today - it's not half as dreadful as I remembered it to be. I still plan on bringing my MBP in when I want to do some "real" work

BanzaiBk

I feel bad for you all, I persuaded my parents to go mac in their practice last year. Now the office is filled with iMacs (white chin'd ones). Still pushing for a Leo upgrade though:p

Huggles

Katie, this is for you. Click Me

I LOL'd when I saw your OP!!

K.O.Kiki

I detest attempting to multitask in WinXP.
MS Office programs are the worst, especially when Alt-Tabbing as sometimes you need to do 1 operation to switch from Doc1 to Doc2 -- then do 2 or more Alt-tabs to switch back cos the first Alt-tab does NOTHING!
Add to that whenever you run out of screen estate in the Taskbar & it "manages" your programs... ugh.
I miss Expose

projectmayhem

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I detest attempting to multitask in WinXP.
MS Office programs are the worst, especially when Alt-Tabbing as sometimes you need to do 1 operation to switch from Doc1 to Doc2 -- then do 2 or more Alt-tabs to switch back cos the first Alt-tab does NOTHING!
Add to that whenever you run out of screen estate in the Taskbar & it "manages" your programs... ugh.
I miss Expose

there are solutions for XP. i'm sure there are a load of open source/freebies too. nowhere near as polished as expose mind you, especially since my experience with them usually gives errors because they hog memory...

Ginger

440Hz wrote: »

Here, I'm warning ya! I know where Stevie lives remember

Yes, to anyone who is genuinely concerned, this thread is a lighthearted joke. Another full day of XP today - it's not half as dreadful as I remembered it to be. I still plan on bringing my MBP in when I want to do some "real" work

Yeah but the other fella now owns Stevie.. i miss stevie and his 50" face.. he was a great story teller!

cornbb

Ah XP aint so bad. In fairness, given time, its infinitely more tweakable than OS X. It does require a lot of TLC to keep it running smoothly though.

Although I've started doing some work in Visual Studio again recently and I must say, its like pulling teeth and wading through treacle compared to working in Xcode/Cocoa. Sorry Ginger

Ginger

No worries.. VS is a big program .. bit too big at times.. but depends on what you are used to I guess

cornbb

Ginger wrote: »

No worries.. VS is a big program .. bit too big at times.. but depends on what you are used to I guess

Fair point. Plus we're all new to it and working with some fairly ancient ad-hoc stuff (MFC) so I don't think that helps

Ginger

MFC is a minefield i have found compared to other stuff.. I try to avoid it like the plague

440Hz

Nothing quiet like coming home to a shiny lovely Apple

ZENER

Mmmmmmmmm . . . .



ZEN

The Black Oil

Tis purty that.

deevey

Ah XP aint so bad. In fairness, given time, its infinitely more tweakable than OS X.

Its been given 7 years !!!

cornbb

deevey wrote: »

Its been given 7 years !!!

I mean given time by the individual using it

I'm gonna be shot for saying this here, but I still reckon XP is the most stable OS I've ever used. I've had one BSOD ever, in many years of using XP/Dell machines, whereas my new MBP has given me several kernel panics in the couple of months I've had it.

Having said that, XP's usability shortfalls are blindingly obvious now that I own a Mac - I am loving the whole mac thing and will probably never change back. Its wrong to dismiss a whole OS after using it for a few hours though.

Funnily enough, the same arguments Mac users use against PCs are quite often the same ones you hear the other way around - "they're unstable, they're unintuitive, they're inefficient, they're not customisable enough." This convinces me that an awful lot of the time, people's frustrations simply arise out of the fact that they're unfamiliar with the OS in question.

Sherifu

Dell.

deevey

I mean given time by the individual using it

I know I know ..

In fairness XP is uber stable (wait for Sp3 to break all the goodness), and tweakable as hell .. OSX isn't running from a 32meg flash card yet.

I use one and support the other ... just the way it works .. and as you can see from my sig I have too much time to play on my time off

Have to disagree with dell comments though, i haven't seen or heard anything but trouble .. and their use of non-standard parts over the years drove me nuts.

However .. Lenovo / HP ... generally just work once the bundled crap is stripped out.

Breezer

Dell are awful, I'd never buy one again. The old family PC is stuck at 512MB of RAM because Dell used "unusual" sticks and upgrading it would cost as much as a new PC. Another one I owned had a headphone jack on the front which was unusable because of a huge amount of static coming through the headphones - it turns out Dell had run the cable too close to other components inside the case. Never bothered trying to re-route it because I'd bought my MacBook by the time I discovered the problem.

Oh, and my Dell at work has no ethernet cable, no mouse and no user account for me, and until twelve o'clock today it had no power cable. I think it may be pushing it to hold that against Dell though...

440Hz

cornbb wrote: »

whereas my new MBP has given me several kernel panics in the couple of months I've had it.

That IS awful and annoying, but on the defence side, I have been using Macs over 10 years and I have NEVER had one yet, thankfully *touches wood*. Im not saying they dont happen, just that as one user, in a substantial time line, I have never had any trouble, which I think very few Windows users could claim. I know that Windows machines I have used have certainly given me a hell of a lot of grief over the time.

cornbb

440Hz wrote: »

That IS awful and annoying, but on the defence side, I have been using Macs over 10 years and I have NEVER had one yet, thankfully *touches wood*. Im not saying they dont happen, just that as one user, in a substantial time line, I have never had any trouble, which I think very few Windows users could claim. I know that Windows machines I have used have certainly given me a hell of a lot of grief over the time.

While the kernel panics were annoying they're not the end of the world. They were all caused by known issues; the first was due to dodgy bluetooth firmware which has been updated, the rest relate to resizing partitions in Disk Utility (hoping that one's gonna be fixed). They've not damaged my enjoyment of my new machine to any significant extent.

I have had trouble with Windows machines too but nothing serious. The only BSOD I've had was caused by inadvertantly ejecting a PCMCIA soundcard, forgetting to "safely remove" it first. Years of being an XP poweruser and the lessons learned along the way tend to result in a reasonably positive user experience.

I'll shutup now, I'm probably due a banning after all this XP-talk :pac:

Creamy Goodness

i work in a place that has no apple presence at all.

curse hp and their fondness of win2k.

first thing i do when i get into work is...

open up outlook, go for a tea break, come back wait another 2 minutes, able to use outlook check emails.

then i remote desktop into a linux machine and do all my work from there, it's not OS X but it gets me through the day.

although i have my iphone in my pocket if i ever get withdrawal symptoms from OS X

Fenster

Oh fie, that's nothing. My beloved MBP has a cracked screen.

Yoda

I have to use XP on my MacBook and the Flyakite Tiger skin is a godsend. Makes the experience feel less... dirty.

TerrorFirmer

Breezer wrote: »

Dell are awful, I'd never buy one again. The old family PC is stuck at 512MB of RAM because Dell used "unusual" sticks and upgrading it would cost as much as a new PC.

That computer technology gets outdated is hardly Dell's fault now is it. Dell did not use 'unusual' sticks, they used RD-Ram because Intel supported it. Yes it costs hilarious prices these days, but again, that is not Dell's fault.

Breezer

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

That computer technology gets outdated is hardly Dell's fault now is it. Dell did not use 'unusual' sticks, they used RD-Ram because Intel supported it. Yes it costs hilarious prices these days, but again, that is not Dell's fault.

We tried to upgrade it years ago and even then, when the PC was relatively new, it was unavailable. Yes, it is Dell's fault if they use products that are going to be going off the market very soon and sell them as current. Buy them if you like, I won't.

papu

Breezer wrote: »

We tried to upgrade it years ago and even then, when the PC was relatively new, it was unavailable. Yes, it is Dell's fault if they use products that are going to be going off the market very soon and sell them as current. Buy them if you like, I won't.

right.... you could say the exact same thing about Mac pros and their Silly Fully Buffered Dimms

Dell do actually use proper ram Now and it was only a couple of models of computers which couldn't be upgraded.

I used a Mac today , washed my hands twice the dirt still wouldn't come off:p

Breezer

papu wrote: »

right.... you could say the exact same thing about Mac pros and their Silly Fully Buffered Dimms

Dell do actually use proper ram Now and it was only a couple of models of computers which couldn't be upgraded.

I used a Mac today , washed my hands twice the dirt still wouldn't come off:p

You could, tbh I don't know much about Mac Pros having used one in an Apple Store for 5 seconds. Just because Apple do something doesn't make Dell or any other company doing it any better.

And glad to hear it.

Did you use anti-bacterial soap?

papu

Breezer wrote: »

You could, tbh I don't know much about Mac Pros having used one in an Apple Store for 5 seconds. Just because Apple do something doesn't make Dell or any other company doing it any better.

And glad to hear it.

Did you use anti-bacterial soap?

dude i tried bleach and Everything!

yeah dell Used to do the strange ram and stuff but are for the most part using Proper parts now , but the point was that apple STILL use fully buffered dimms which are maybe 3 or 4 times more expensive than normal ddr2 RAM.

Lennoxschips

I used to use a Mac, but switched to PC around 1998. Windows 98 was hell on earth, but XP is a pretty decent piece of kit. I still prefer it ahead of Vista any day of the week.

I'd like to give the new version of MacOS X a go, but they won't release it for PCs, and frankly there's no excuse anymore now that Mac runs on Intel. I'm not going to shell out for overpriced Apple hardware either, that's why I switched to PCs in the first place.

As for confusion and not knowing where functions are, that's due to unfamiliarity. I get that when I go near a Mac. It's whatever you're used to.

440Hz

Lennoxschips wrote: »

....

BRILLIANT! best username ever

kevteljeur

I used Win NT 4 and then Win XP for years at work as a software developer, until 2 years ago when I went freelance and got a MacBook Pro (I used to be a designer and secretly had an iBook at home, couldn't wait to make my work machine one too :-D ). I always considered NT to be solid, if slow and uninspired. You could rely on it. It had a lot in common with the early Mac OS X builds, actually; you could keep opening programs until it slowed to a crawl and opening a menu took 5 mins +. Win XP was a lot faster and more fully-featured, but less stable.

I've been using Win XP SP2 (through Parallels 3, which I still can't fully comfortable using, since I don't trust their hacks) side by side with first Tiger and now Leopard at work for about 2 years now on my MacBook Pro, and I have to say, that it's only now with Leopard that there's some serious distance between them. That has a lot to do with the sheer speed and responsiveness of Leopard on the same hardware, not to mention the attention to detail. Win XP is really very snappy compared to Tiger and that lack of security is actually helpful for development, as strange as that may sound.

This might be a bit controversial, but Win XP is the Operating System for The rest of Us. Cheap and somewhat nasty, but it works and everyone else has one too. Leopard is more like a top-of-the-range Qashqai or something like that - and you won't see me complaining about that :-)



So what does that make Vista? :-D

papu

kevteljeur wrote: »

lol xp is for all you common folk , but WE deserve to use somthing plain and white like LEOPARD!

vista > leopard.
for oh so many reasons...

BanzaiBk

kevteljeur wrote: »

This might be a bit controversial, but Win XP is the Operating System for The rest of Us. Cheap and somewhat nasty, but it works and everyone else has one too.

ROFL. Nice one.