Red Faces...

boomer_ie

Ok own up, who are the Paramedics that drove an Ambulance onto the beach in Kerry and inevitably got stuck!

(See todays Indo for pictures!)

In fairness to the guys some beachs can look like they would hold the weight of an ambulance, until you get onto them, hopefully they wont get slagged off too much

MrDylan

Just a Q, What are ambulances supposed to do if they have a casualty on the beach? Is there a rule that they aren't to go on beaches?

boomer_ie

MrDylan wrote: »

Just a Q, What are ambulances supposed to do if they have a casualty on the beach? Is there a rule that they aren't to go on beaches?

Wheel the stretcher or call the Coastguard, I am actually surprised they drove the ambulance onto the beach (its one of the Fords not the newer mercs) as many Paramedics have told me that they wouldnt dare drive them off road because of the risk of becoming bogged down.

Paulzx

You do the same as if the casualty is in a muddy field. Carry them. If the surface isn't definetly sound don't drive onto it.

This isn't a criticism of the crew in Kerry. Its easy to get caught out.

I still wouldn't like to be standing in front of one of our A.C.F.O's trying to explain it. i hope they've plenty of ink in their pens:D

Paulzx

boomer_ie wrote: »

many Paramedics have told me that they wouldnt dare drive them off road because of the risk of becoming bogged down.

Absolutely correct. I had a stand up row with some well spoken members of a posh Dublin golf club who insisted i drive onto the course to retrieve their playing partner from the seventh green. He had pulled a back muscle during a putt!!!!

They course was quite hilly so even in the dry it was dodgy. In the end i arranged a tractor from the course maintence to carry him out on a scoop stretcher. Not quite the mercedes he was obviously used to:p

sunnyjim

This isn't the first time someone has done that. Didn't it happen 2 years ago?

Fyr.Fytr

Didnt Drogheda Fire and Rescue write off their Merc ET this way?

Rescuing a car stuck on Bettystown beach (warning sings there from the start) tide came in fairly fast and they had to leave it there and go to safety themselfs

MrDylan

Wouldn't be a certain Royal golf club you're talking about!

When you say the coastguard do you mean call in the helicopter?

shakin

last october friend of mine broke his leg during a football match and ambulance came onto pitch,needless to say the pitch was in winter condition! it got stuck and had to be pushed out!:D

MrDylan

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

Didnt Drogheda Fire and Rescue write off their Merc ET this way?

Rescuing a car stuck on Bettystown beach (warning sings there from the start) tide came in fairly fast and they had to leave it there and go to safety themselfs

Yea that was a couple of years ago.

Whats' the story with Dollymount, do DFB go onto the beach if there's like a cardiac arrest?

boomer_ie

MrDylan wrote: »

Wouldn't be a certain Royal golf club you're talking about!

When you say the coastguard do you mean call in the helicopter?

I ment the CG in general as they have 4x4 jeeps as well which would cope with beach conditions, but if they decided to send the heli instead who am I to complain

Anyway my understanding always was if its on road its HSE/DFB, if its off road its MR, if its on a beach or cliff its CG.

NB this is a GENERALISATION, I am not expecting HSE/DFB to call in MR if the person is 2 inches off the road

Paulzx

MrDylan wrote: »

Whats' the story with Dollymount, do DFB go onto the beach if there's like a cardiac arrest?

You can walk anywhere. You won't drive on if there's any doubt. As far as i'm aware we refuse to tow cars off dollymount that are stuck with an approaching tide. The S.O certainly won't risk a motor.

Where life is at risk is a different issue

Tango Alpha 51

Paulzx wrote: »

You do the same as if the casualty is in a muddy field. Carry them. If the surface isn't definetly sound don't drive onto it.

This isn't a criticism of the crew in Kerry. Its easy to get caught out.

I still wouldn't like to be standing in front of one of our A.C.F.O's trying to explain it. i hope they've plenty of ink in their pens:D

Agree totally with Paulzx here, if it's questionable at all, don't drive on it. Carry the pt out on a scoop etc. If neccessary call in back up ie F&R or CG. Very easily happen to any of us working in the services.

MrDylan

Paulzx wrote: »

You can walk anywhere. You won't drive on if there's any doubt. As far as i'm aware we refuse to tow cars off dollymount that are stuck with an approaching tide. The S.O certainly won't risk a motor.

Where life is at risk is a different issue

Yea sounds like the Coastguards area so leave them to it. Do they tow cars off the beach?

Random

Anyone got some photos then? Don't buy the paper

metman

So buy a paper

maglite

buzzman wrote: »

Carry the pt out on a scoop etc.

Would you carry on a scoop? If so how far?

I've always been told and had the opion that it should not be done?

Smokey Bear

Well the other Day on Dollymount DFB used Coast Gaurd
http://www.howthcoastguard.com/
Howth Coast Guard were tasked at 07.53 this morning to assist in the airlift of a man who fell while out running on Dollymount beach. Dublin Fire Brigade were on scene and requested a Coast Guard helicopter lift from the beach as the casualty was not near any removal point and could not be moved too far due to his injuries. Howth CG assisted with the airlift and the man was brought to Beaumont hospital for treatment.
Incident 13/08
Think there was 1 motor and an ET and DFB Ambo and a DFB 4x4.
He was air lifted to Beaumount and chopper landed there did not know they were doing that again ?

Also a few weeks ago I belive out at Portrane a guy slipped at bottom of cliff/steep incline had DFB respond D131,which in turn requested DFB high line rescue units D31 ,D35.Also there were HSE Ambo,Gardai,Skerries inshore life boat and Last but not least CG chopper,which airliftted PT to top of cliff then HSE transported PT to Hosp.
That just 2 incidents in the last few weeks in DFB that i know of where CG helped out.

Smokey Bear.

Paulzx

maglite wrote: »

Would you carry on a scoop? If so how far?

I've always been told and had the opion that it should not be done?

Why?

maglite

they have been known to split, where as a spinal, dou fold, do not or a scoop and vacume maybe,

it is just somethingi have always been told and never questioned

Fyr.Fytr

Smokey Bear wrote: »

Well the other Day on Dollymount DFB used Coast Gaurd
http://www.howthcoastguard.com/
Howth Coast Guard were tasked at 07.53 this morning to assist in the airlift of a man who fell while out running on Dollymount beach. Dublin Fire Brigade were on scene and requested a Coast Guard helicopter lift from the beach as the casualty was not near any removal point and could not be moved too far due to his injuries. Howth CG assisted with the airlift and the man was brought to Beaumont hospital for treatment.
Incident 13/08
Think there was 1 motor and an ET and DFB Ambo and a DFB 4x4.
He was air lifted to Beaumount and chopper landed there did not know they were doing that again ?

Also a few weeks ago I belive out at Portrane a guy slipped at bottom of cliff/steep incline had DFB respond D131,which in turn requested DFB high line rescue units D31 ,D35.Also there were HSE Ambo,Gardai,Skerries inshore life boat and Last but not least CG chopper,which airliftted PT to top of cliff then HSE transported PT to Hosp.
That just 2 incidents in the last few weeks in DFB that i know of where CG helped out.

Smokey Bear.

Saw that out in portrane, was walking along donabate beach when the chopper fly over, then switch on its search lights and get to work. Then as i was going to the chipper in portrane say the convoy of vehicles heading back

TheNog

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

Didnt Drogheda Fire and Rescue write off their Merc ET this way?

Rescuing a car stuck on Bettystown beach (warning sings there from the start) tide came in fairly fast and they had to leave it there and go to safety themselfs

Also heard that a good few years ago a patrol car was overcome by the tide on the same beach after the two using it left it there and went to the pub. Apparently the Super was the first to find when out walking his dog as the tide was going out.

MrDylan

[quote

Also a few weeks ago I belive out at Portrane a guy slipped at bottom of cliff/steep incline had DFB respond D131,which in turn requested DFB high line rescue units D31 ,D35.Also there were HSE Ambo,Gardai,Skerries inshore life boat and Last but not least CG chopper,which airliftted PT to top of cliff then HSE transported PT to Hosp.
That just 2 incidents in the last few weeks in DFB that i know of where CG helped out.

Smokey Bear.[/quote]

Would it not make sense to make the Coastguard (not the helicopter unit) part of any call to the beach rather than getting there and then calling them? Might save time and save an ambulance getting stuck.

Fyr.Fytr

TheNog wrote: »

Also heard that a good few years ago a patrol car was overcome by the tide on the same beach after the two using it left it there and went to the pub. Apparently the Super was the first to find when out walking his dog as the tide was going out.

Oh lovely say he was in a lovely mood when he came into the station later that day

delly

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

Didnt Drogheda Fire and Rescue write off their Merc ET this way?

Rescuing a car stuck on Bettystown beach (warning sings there from the start) tide came in fairly fast and they had to leave it there and go to safety themselfs

I remember it well.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/that-sinking-feeling-car-trapped-fire-tender-all-at-sea-246125.html

Fyr.Fytr

Thats it, there was pics too, think it was the same day the papers led with the pics of the two fire fighters in dublin rescuing the infant from an apartment fire on the quays

Tango Alpha 51

maglite wrote: »

they have been known to split, where as a spinal, dou fold, do not or a scoop and vacume maybe,

it is just somethingi have always been told and never questioned

Mag,
In all the years I'm using the scoop, i've never had it split on me. LAS are going away from using spinal boards all together & using the scoop as a transportation device due to the long time people spend on boards & query getting pressure sores from same.

sickpuppy32

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

Didnt Drogheda Fire and Rescue write off their Merc ET this way?

Rescuing a car stuck on Bettystown beach (warning sings there from the start) tide came in fairly fast and they had to leave it there and go to safety themselfs

yeah i believe the Tara street boys rang them to cheer them up and to sing them a song . " i do want to be beside the seaside" i think it was.
classic fireman humor!

MrDylan

Have heard of FB ambulances trotting around on Dollier beach so they might get a return phone call one day...!

Is there a code of practice for all FB/ Ambulances to avoid going onto the beach?