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National stadium. 12th July. Dunne Macklin etc
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08-05-2008 5:00pm#1
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alanceltic wrote: »sounds to me like there probably a little tiff goin on between macklin and peters, after all peters isnt exactly the white bishop of pro boxing in ireland
I wouldnt be at all surprised if macklin signed with another promoter For What its worth
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alanceltic wrote: »I wouldnt be at all surprised if macklin signed with another promoter For What its worth
No chance , that's who Macklin was with before and Macklin isn't particulary found of Mr.Warren nowdays . He wouldn't go back with him imho .0 -
alanceltic wrote: »I wouldnt be at all surprised if macklin signed with another promoter For What its worth
who could you allegedly mean!0 -
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No chance , that's who Macklin was with before and Macklin isn't particulary found of Mr.Warren nowdays . He wouldn't go back with him imho .
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/other-sport/boxing/2008/06/12/matthew-macklin-rejoins-frank-warren-camp-97319-21063133/
what do I know eh ?
amazing what money can do .
Shame though as it seems Macklin has sold out , he could have gone for British/Commonwealth/European or eventually World title with the route he was going .
Now he'll merely be a well payed WBU champion who may get a WBO shot if Pavlik vacates some day
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strangely they've put him back on now
and he's off again
wonder why he's been taken on and off like this.
Thats mad about Macklin, he says Warren will get him into world title contention within a year to 18 months... couldnt Peters have done that? In fairness, after beating Campas, and had he got past Gibbs, there isnt a whole lot of hiding space if you want to climb the rankings. You're defeinitly on the right path, and can achieve things within a few fights
Then again he said he wants to fight in Birmingham which is fair enough, just a pity we wont be seeing as much of him over here, hope he continues to do well though.
Im looking forward to seeing how his July 19th opponent compares to Gibbs.0 -
joepenguin wrote: »and he's off again wonder why he's been taken on and off like this.
Thats mad about Macklin, he says Warren will get him into world title contention within a year to 18 months... couldnt Peters have done that? In fairness, after beating Campas, and had he got past Gibbs, there isnt a whole lot of hiding space if you want to climb the rankings. You're defeinitly on the right path, and can achieve things within a few fights
Then again he said he wants to fight in Birmingham which is fair enough, just a pity we wont be seeing as much of him over here, hope he continues to do well though.
Im looking forward to seeing how his July 19th opponent compares to Gibbs.
Well one of the main things Warren is promising is fights in Birmingham , the lack of that pissed Matt of big time the last time he was with Warren .
3 of the best British Middleweights at the moment are all from the midlands(with 2 from Birmingham) .
Wayne Elcock fights Darren McDermott live on Sky on the of July in a defense of his British title . That fight will gather quite a bit of attention in the midlands and a fight between the winner and Macklin would be huge .
However I think a fight would actually have been more likely if Macklin hadn't signed with Warren . Warren(and generely all of the bigger British promoters) don't like to work with each other and avoid it as much as possible . Also Warren prefers to use the WBU title for his fighters , so they can build a record against hand picked foreign opponents and anything they have to step it up against a good domestic fighter then it's another Sport Network promoted fighter so there is no loser .
If that fighter can continue winning they will get a title shot at some stage(usually a late one in their career) and more often than not with the WBO as Warren(along with a certain German promoter) holds a certain sway over them . However all of the sanctioning bodies(bar the IBF who are forced to be squeaky clean nowdays since that FBI scandel) are willing to accommodate Warren(or any other promoter) if the price is right .
Warren ****ed Macklin about before , and after some time in the wilderness(where admittedly he did get a British title shot down at 154) Brian Peters helped him to rebuild(or properly start) his career to the point where he is progressing on the World scene .
As Joepenguin has said , beat Campas and Gibbs and really the only way is up and towards World title fights . You beat Campas+ Gibbs and your legitimately top 30/35 in the World . You'd be one or two good wins away from an eliminator .
I just hope for once that Warren delivers , and that he actually does it within a reasonable timescale . But I haven't got my hopes up .
To me I think Macklin just wants to be home and fight out of Birmigham , the opposition and lack of fights annoyed him with Warren before but that's the real reason he left , and it's the reason I'd guess he's moving away from the Irish scene now .0 -
I trie to tell ya big ears but u just wouldnt listen..... If you ask me there all of the boxing promoters both here and in the UK are bent (and i dont mean in the gay sence of the word)..... Macklin obviously wasnt signed up with peters or he didnt re-sign. If its a better deal for macklin then good luck to him! The problem is whilst a lot of people here liked him I dont think he had enough "pull" to headline a bill and he couldnt really build a support base even though he is exciting to watch, I hope he gets the opportunities he deserves. 0
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alanceltic wrote: »I trie to tell ya big ears but u just wouldnt listen..... If you ask me there all of the boxing promoters both here and in the UK are bent (and i dont mean in the gay sence of the word)..... Macklin obviously wasnt signed up with peters or he didnt re-sign. If its a better deal for macklin then good luck to him! The problem is whilst a lot of people here liked him I dont think he had enough "pull" to headline a bill and he couldnt really build a support base even though he is exciting to watch, I hope he gets the opportunities he deserves.
Macklin still is signed to Peters , just that Peters is only his manager and Frank Warren is signed as his promoter . It wouldn't have been possible for Peterrs to promote him in the UK anyway as you can't have the same manager and promoter over there .
I think Macklin could build a fanbase over here , anything i watched him he always had very vocal crowd support and the stadium sold out for the Campas fight . But the thing is they(including reputable boxing journalist from the midlands) reckon a Macklin v McDermott/Elcock fight could gather up to 8,000 with the right undercard . That would be obviously massive and winning a midlands derby for the British title would bring great pride to Matt .
Hero Peters has only been working here properly for 3 years , so it's a bit unfair to criticise him for that . He had Dunne very close to a World title but he lost to Kiko and that was that.......can't blame Peters for that .
Due to Macklin leaving the Dunne fight card isn't the best now buts it's not title **** either and the Limerick fight card is starting to look really good with 3 fighters on it getting very stern tests .
Why do you want Dunne retired ?........has he done something wrong personally to you or your family , because to not want a man to learn a decent living he must have done something horrendous to you .0 -
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I'd like to see Dunne get out of the fight game if his heart and mind are not in it. I used to know some people who worked at the Wild Card gym {Roachs outfit} who said Bernard had serious attitude problems. Its part of the reason why Bernard ended up back in Ireland, because Peters and friends constituted a soft touch where Bernard could earn big money very easily at no risk whatsoever....until they fought Kiko "I can't figure out the jab" Martinez.
The alternative was to stay in America and have tough sparring sessions with Guerrero, Campbell, Alex Arthur, and of course Pac-Man, who, as Bens father will tell you, was getting handled in sparring by Bernard.:pac:
Then Bernard goes on tele and calls Kiko a "one hit wonder"....its cringeworthy stuff.
If all he wants to do is hang around the Depot and the Nat Stadium fighting bums and clogging up cards then I sincerely hope we see him pack it in soon.0
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