itv hd testing on 28.2 east.

bassy

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9895/itvhdtesthj9.jpg11.428H 27500

SID=10510
3401 VPid
3402 APid

http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc3575vk4.jpg


Did a manual scan with V=2401, A=3402 and PCR ID = 266

http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc3566ww4.jpg

http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc3571wy4.jpg

Used the setting from this link

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m...TVSettings.jpg

Mossy Monk

How does it feel to see an ITV service with a decent picture quality?

bassy

picture quality looks quite good i must say,think all these tests are for next weeks freesat launch:)

Mossy Monk wrote: »

How does it feel to see an ITV service with a decent picture quality?

I hear they're using H.222 instead of H.264, is this just for the tests or is it an attempt to restrict the service to Freesat branded boxes?

dc69

Karsini wrote: »

I hear they're using H.222 instead of H.264, is this just for the tests or is it an attempt to restrict the service to Freesat branded boxes?

exactly,you wont get itv hd on a sky box,its for freesat only.

No doubt this will change but will take months or years.

dc69

dc69 wrote: »

exactly,you wont get itv hd on a sky box,its for freesat only.

No doubt this will change but will take months or years.

This could be a problem for us. What if the same approach is taken for non-HD services with rights issues? (ala Channel 4/5) We'd need the Freesat box or else a PC. I'm guessing there's nothing to stop them broadcasting SD on H.222.

watty

A freesat box will be MUCH easier to get than a Sky FTV card. Since it is HD, it would not be compatible with almost all existing FTA receivers anyway. Since it won't be on Sky EPG, even if Sky HD compatible you would need "other channels" and get no recording.

They won't change the format of any existing channel so that it doesn't work on a Sky box without subscription.



Is H.222 correct? That is a standard for multiplex of a stream on ATM connections!

watty

watty wrote: »

Is H.222 correct? That is a standard for multiplex of a stream on ATM connections!

I was going by the DS article which claimed the broadcast is in H.222 but I think you're right. I suspect the channel is in H.264 but not flagged as such.

Onikage

The ITV HD video stream is encoded in H.264, only the TS mux is different. Don't know where H.222 rumor came from.

Check DS (UK sat board) or doom9 (codec expertise) for more detailson how to pick it up.

watty

All HD is now MPEG4 AVC H.264

If the transponder only has HD, or SD in MPEG4 (main profile usually), then DVB-S2 may be used to give 30% more capacity approx. I'd doubt they use a different TS. I've only seen MPEG4 in MPEG2 TS, as there is no compelling reason to change how the multiplexing of Data, TV and Audio from different channels is done.

You don't want to beleive everything on DS

I'd assume the Sky HD Digibox supports DVB-S2. An older PC sat card can do MPEG4/H.264 via software, but DVB-S2 needs a different physical tuner (all DVB-S2 tuners do DVB-S as well). So newer HD/MPEG4 only transponders will need the newer DVB-S2 PCI cards or USB2.0 Dongles.

bassy

here is some pictures of the humax SATFOX ,stunning EPG and OSD display

Gadgie

Can't wait to see Jezza Kyle in HD!

Mossy Monk

It will be horrific television.

Zaphod

The ITV-HD channel seems to be a standard MPEG4/AVC stream over DVB-S but with some of the PMT data missing. Locks manually with Alt-DVB and a SS2 card. Can't understand why there aren't using DVB-S2.

bassy wrote: »

here is some pictures of the humax SATFOX ,stunning EPG and OSD display

Even better the receiver manual apparently mentions support for SCR/Single Cable Routing (Unicable). So potentially the PVR will need just one cable which can be looped through to the two tuners - a definite advantage over Sky+ PVRs.

http://www.humaxdigital.com/freesat/FOXSATHD_100GB_040308_onlyref1.pdf

trap4

bassy wrote: »

here is some pictures of the humax SATFOX ,stunning EPG and OSD display

You have to enter a Postcode!?! Will that limit it to UK use? (not that you have to be truthful I guess)

bassy

yes have to enter a post code,but that won,t limit it from us.:)

trap4 wrote: »

bassy wrote: »

here is some pictures of the humax SATFOX ,stunning EPG and OSD display

You have to enter a Postcode!?! Will that limit it to UK use? (not that you have to be truthful I guess)

bassy

Freesat launches today


Freesat, the free-to-air digital satellite package run by BBC and ITV, is being launched today (May 6). A selection of 80 channels is being made available from Astra and Eutelsat satellites at 28 degrees East. The majority of channels are also available on Sky Digital, but will be specially linked to the Freesat EPG, which will have its own numbering system.

Freesat is targeting the 25% of viewers that currently have no DTT reception and are likely to have only half of the available six multiplexes once switchover takes place in their area.

The organisation, which is being kept separate from the terrestrial Freeview, is also putting an emphasis on HD content. BBC HD and the new ITV HD will be present early on, but there remain doubts over the availability of Channel 4 HD, and the SD version of Five. Both have current carriage contracts with Sky. Broadband TV News believes the regulator Ofcom should remind the broadcasters of their public service responsibilities.

Freesat boxes are available from £49.99 plus the cost of installation.

bassy

Update ;ITV chairman Michael Grade and BBC director-general Mark Thompson unveil the broadcasters' long-awaited free-to-air satellite service.

Freesat, as the joint-venture service has been called, is seen as a key weapon in the broadcasters' fight against the might of BSkyB.

However, it will have an inauspicious start, launching with just one channel. The channel, BBC HD, will offer a selection of the broadcaster's shows in a high definition (HD) format.

Mr Grade and Mr Thompson are expected to promise a clutch of other channels in time for the summer, screening many shows in HD - which offers much sharper pictures.

Viewers who pay £150 for the dish, box and installation should be able to watch the Olympics, Wimbledon and the Euro 2008 football championships in HD, provided they have an HD-ready TV set.


By the summer, the service will also promise to carry some major US hit shows in HD, such as ITV1's Pushing Daisies and BBC2's Heroes.

Freesat will offer digital television for the 20pc of the population who cannot yet get Freeview, the free-to-air digital terrestrial service. It will also give coverage to the 1.5pc of the population who still will not be able to get Freeview once digital switchover is completed in 2012.


However, analysts say Freesat's real value to ITV and the BBC is that its satellite technology will allow them to screen many more channels than the 47 currently available on Freeview, the free-to-air digital terrestrial platform.

Crucially, Freesat will also have much greater capacity for screening shows in HD. Analysts have compared the move to HD pictures with the transition from black and white to colour TV.

Sky already has 18 HD channels and wants to boost that to as many as 30 by next year, including a BBC channel. In contrast, plans by the regulator Ofcom are expected to allow for the introduction of just four HD channels on Freeview.

Toby Syfret, media analyst at Enders Analysis, said: "Freesat is very important to the armoury of the public service broadcasters because it could allow them greater control of their destiny as regards HD, without having to deal through Sky. HD is attractive because people are getting bigger and bigger TV sets, and the bigger they get, the more noticeable the quality difference between HD and non-HD.

"On a 44-inch screen, the quality difference is going to very, very clear and the high quality is what people will come to expect."

Results from Whitehaven, the first area to experience analogue switch-off, showed that digital switchover also represented a huge opportunity for Sky, which offers its own free-to-air satellite service already.

In the switchover process, around 40pc of analogue homes chose Sky and 60pc chose Freeview.

"That relatively high percentage for Sky shows switchover is a big opportunity for a satellite platform and Sky is the only one offering it at present," said Mr Syfret.

"So Freesat is important for the independent future of public service broadcasting if it wants to have a presence that is not wholly dependent on Sky."

mossym

for those that may have missed it, last nights champions league final was in hd on the itvhd channel. well the pitch footage were hd, the studio footage was upconverted.

looked really really excellent. much better than the muck from bbc for the 6 nations.

was too engrossed in the match and never checked bit rates, but it looked superb on a 108"screen

Tony

Did you have to do a PID search for this and can you tell me what settings you used?

mossym wrote: »

for those that may have missed it, last nights champions league final was in hd on the itvhd channel.

mossym

using a dvb-s card in a pc hooked up to my projector

settings here(courtesy of one of the guys on digitalspy.co.uk)
http://www.upload3r.com/serve/210508/1211401343.png

and some pics from the broadcast
http://foxsat.wikispaces.com/champpics

Tony

Thanks

rlogue

I picked up ITV HD last night after the match using DVB Viewer running off a blackgold 6 in 1 tuner card on my newly built HTPC. I don't yet have a big LCD to watch it on but the picture quality was excellent despite the fact I was watching on my son's 17" HD ready TV. Definitely better than the grubby SD feeds ITV usually use.

mossym

yeah i'm getting it on a hauppauge dvb-s2 card.

watty

ITV often only use 544 x 576 rather than BBC/RTE 720 x 576.

mossym

well they've gone from inferior sd to superior hd. here's hoping they keep up the quality level for the full release

slegs

bassy wrote: »

yes have to enter a post code,but that won,t limit it from us.:)






The post code is purely for ITV/BBC regions. Everyone in Ireland could use the same code from the same street in the north and it wont make a difference to anyone (there is no two way check)

rom

i just put in a london postcode and it worked fine for me here in cork

Hissing Sideban

I have the HUMAX Foxat box for about 3 weeks now, overall it is pretty good - still no ITV HD - Has anyone managed to view the ITV HD test TX's by manually tuning them in with this box? (I know you can do it with a PC Sat tuner)

L1011

slegs wrote: »

bassy wrote: »

The post code is purely for ITV/BBC regions. Everyone in Ireland could use the same code from the same street in the north and it wont make a difference to anyone (there is no two way check)

BT7 1EB - UTV headquarters

Hissing Sideban

According to wikipedia (ITVHD) the red button sevice of ITV HD is due to start on 7th of June

bassy

ITV HD to formally launch for Euro 2008



ITV has confirmed its first ever high definition broadcast intended for public consumption will be its coverage of Portugal versus Turkey on the first day of Euro 2008.

Freesat viewers will be able to access the HD stream by pressing the red button while watching ITV1 during the broadcast from 7.30pm on Saturday. The service will not be available on Freeview, Sky, or Virgin Media digital cable.

Coverage of Euro 2008 matches on Monday and June 10, 11, 12 and 13 will also be available in HD, the broadcaster said today.

ITV will become the third public service broadcaster in the UK to publicly launch a HD service, following BBC HD and Channel 4 HD.

The HD broadcasts are intended to be exclusive to Freesat, the subscription-free satellite service jointly-backed by ITV, although some traditional free-to-air satellite receiver equipment will be able to display the broadcasts if specifically configured.

ITV said it will from now on inform the media and listings providers which broadcasts will be available in HD and "press the red button" alert messages are expected to be used on ITV1.

In a statement today ITV said the programmes "will be available in HD on Freesat only".

ITV took part in a limited trial broadcast of digital terrestrial HD channels in 2006. Digital Spy forum members have also been watching test transmissions of ITV HD on satellite for several weeks.

Hissing Sideban

Just watching the european cup on ITV HD - not absolutely sure, but the studio pictures look like upscaled SD, (compared to BBC HD, the presenters' hair is not as well defined, always a good test of definition.)

The actual match pics look fine though.

One thing which is awkeard is that while watching the HD service if you flick to another channel and return to ITV, it is the SD service - you have to reselect the HD again, I can see many people not bothering (like my wife and daughter, for example - everytime I come back in the room, it's on SD)

Dman001

What else is on ITV HD other than Euro 08?