Question on using live bait, please bear with me

johngalway

Hi folks,

Before I get jumped on, I'm here to ask a question and get it clarified OK.

Idea is this, live catch fox cage. Behind it will be a seperate fox proof cage with a live rooster in it. Is this legal? Bear in mind I would make the rooster cage in a way that the fox cannot get into it, there will also be proper shelter for the rooster and food and water supplied.

Various baits have been tried and have not worked.

So, legally, am I alright to do this with a live rooster or not?

All the best,

John

bunny shooter

I think it's a disgraceful idea,

Reggie Rooster

johngalway

Shut up and get in the cage Reggie lol.

damo03

Not much different to a larsen trap in principle. Just my opinion.

whitser

if you can use magpies as live bait in a larson then why not?
maybe leave a knife or hurley with the rooster for protection!

clivej

Don't know to much about this BUT......
My son lost €1200 worth of chickens to a fox before Christmas, he now has a CZ 223 to deal with Mr Fox when he returns. This fox was sitting at his front door at times.
BUT in the meantime he had a wire cage trap that he could put a hen into the middle of with traps at both ends to catch the fox.
Never did catch that fox, he's to smart for that.

maglite

i could see people rasing animal cruely issues, but i supose they would also claim cruelty for shooting the fox


now a bear as bait, there is an idea

thehair

johngalway wrote: »

Hi folks,

Before I get jumped on, I'm here to ask a question and get it clarified OK.

Idea is this, live catch fox cage. Behind it will be a seperate fox proof cage with a live rooster in it. Is this legal? Bear in mind I would make the rooster cage in a way that the fox cannot get into it, there will also be proper shelter for the rooster and food and water supplied.

Various baits have been tried and have not worked.

So, legally, am I alright to do this with a live rooster or not?

All the best,

John

that a great way to get the sly foxs a friend lost 24 laying hens
all thanks to mr fox and co. f him go for it :eek::o

Invincible

The Rooster will probably die of shock, unless the antis get hold of your plan,you'll be ok!

AckwelFoley

Personally i find if you slice up a small newborn baby it works better

No, i personally dont see the problem with the use of a rooster to catch a fox.

Grizzly 45

Catch /buy a bunch of mice .Put in a large jar with air holes ,bury in trap instead of rooster.Just as effective and not to have a dead rooster,and antis ringing Joe Fluffy about cruelty by hunters to Roosters..:D

johngalway

I'm not particularly worried about what issues people could raise, or whether they ring whine line. What I would like to discover before putting this plan into action is whether it's legal to do so or not? As long as I act within the law I'm fine, I don't loose sleep over anti's to be honest.

So, no definitive answer as yet...

jwshooter

johngalway wrote: »

I'm not particularly worried about what issues people could raise, or whether they ring whine line. What I would like to discover before putting this plan into action is whether it's legal to do so or not? As long as I act within the law I'm fine, I don't loose sleep over anti's to be honest.

So, no definitive answer as yet...

interesting question ,one beside a relase pen would a plan ,would that be a free range irish rooster,

LCPL SWOFFORD

Cruelty to Animals
1. Protection of Animals Act, 1911.
(1 &2, Geo 5, CH.27)
As amended by Protection of Animals (Amendment) Act, 1965 (S.I. 10 of 1965) and Control of Horses Act, 1996 (S.I. 37 of 1996)(as regards penalties)
This remains the main legislation prohibiting cruelty to animals.
Section 15 defines an "animal" as "any domestic or wild animal and includes any bird, fish or reptile"
Section 1 defines the offence of cruelty as follows:
(1) If any person—
(a) shall cruelly beat, kick, ill-treat, over-ride, over-drive, over-load, torture, infuriate, or terrify any animal, or shall cause or procure, or, being the owner, permit any animal to be so used, or shall, by wantonly or unreasonably doing or omitting to do any act, or causing or procuring the commission or omission of any act, cause any unnecessary suffering, or, being the owner, permit any unnecessary suffering to be so caused to any animal; or
(b) shall convey or carry, or cause or procure, or, being the owner, permit to be conveyed or carried, any animal in such manner or position as to cause that animal any unnecessary suffering; or
(c) shall cause, procure, or assist at the fighting or baiting of any animal; or shall keep, use, manage, or act or assist in the management of, any premises or place for the purpose, or partly for the purpose, of fighting or baiting any animal, or shall permit any premises or place to be so kept, managed, or used, or shall receive, or cause or procure any person to receive, money for the admission of any person to such premises or place; or
(d) shall wilfully, without any reasonable cause or excuse, administer, or cause or procure, or being the owner permit, such administration of, any poisonous or injurious drug or substance to any animal, or shall wilfully, without any reasonable cause or excuse, cause any such substance to be taken by any animal; or
(e) shall subject, or cause or procure, or being the owner permit, to be subjected, any animal to any operation which is performed without due care and humanity; or
(f) being the owner or having char e or control of any animal shall without reasonable cause or excuse abandon it, whether permanently or not, in circumstances likely to cause it unnecessary suffering, or cause or procure or, being the owner, permit it to be so abandoned;
such person shall be guilty of an offence of cruelty within the meaning of this Act.
It is clear that not only is it an offence to actively commit acts of cruelty such as kicking or beating animals but acts of omission and neglect are also prohibited. These latter forms of cruelty are the most common in our society.
Section 11 of the Act permits a member of the Garda Siochana to order the destruction of a seriously injured animal without the permission of the owner provided a veterinary surgeon has certified that such destruction is necessary.
The Gardai are empowered to investigate and prosecute offences under the Act. The role of the veterinary surgeon is as an expert witness and adviser to the Gardai.
Section 7 as amended by Section 6 of the 1965 Act provides for the care of animals in pounds.

johngalway

Hmm, I think I'm better off ringing the author-i-taaays myself.

foxshooter243

johngalway wrote: »

Hmm, I think I'm better off ringing the author-i-taaays myself.

leave the fox trap at the door of the hen coop john..this would be in keeping with good practise in safeguarding your domestic stock..i mean it would be cruel to let a fox into your henhouse;)

Grizzly 45

Put it like this;if it involves a domesticated critter that is somhow used out of it's normal life cycle for some sort of abnormal task.It is proably illegal .

johngalway

foxshooter243 wrote: »

leave the fox trap at the door of the hen coop john..this would be in keeping with good practise in safeguarding your domestic stock..i mean it would be cruel to let a fox into your henhouse;)

Right, think I'll shelve that idea and go with yours later on in the year FS

J.R.

WILDLIFE ACT 1976 SECTION 35

Certain use of scarecrows, decoys birdcalls and calls of wild mammals restricted.

35.—(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section, but subject to section 42, a person shall not—

( a ) use as a scarecrow any live wild bird which is tethered, or

( b ) use as a decoy for the purpose of hunting any wild bird a live wild bird which is tethered or secured by braces or other similar appliances or which is confined in a cage or pen or which is blind, maimed or injured, or

( c ) use a stuffed or artificial decoy in the form of any bird for the purpose of hunting any protected wild birds, other than wild duck and wild geese, or

( d ) use an electrical or other instrument or appliance (including recording apparatus) emitting or imitating birdcalls or the calls of wild mammals for the purpose of hunting a protected wild bird or a protected wild animal which is a mammal.


Says nothing about domestic fowl as decoys - does a magpie in a larsen trap fall into the above category?

stevoman

Try a magpie John. The fox has broke into our larsen trap a few times. Also i have seen pics in sporting gun of vixens that have climbed into larsen traps and been caught.

bunny shooter

Excellent idea

spideog7

Snare him on the way into the pen, or find his run nearby.

foxshooter243

stevoman wrote: »

Try a magpie John. The fox has broke into our larsen trap a few times. Also i have seen pics in sporting gun of vixens that have climbed into larsen traps and been caught.

good thinking and anti proof as well:D

stevoman

foxshooter243 wrote: »

good thinking and anti proof as well:D

Thanks fox. Also what we also use is a piece of laminated paper that we stick to the side of the trap. It explains that the trapped "songbird" is fed and watered daily and that the purpose of the trap is to give other wildlife in the area a chance to breed. It seems to deter the do-gooders (bless their hearts:p)

quackquackBOOM

SHOOT HIMMMM!!!!!!!:o