PS3 + Plasma + HDMI = Headache?!

ShawnRaven

Folks, can anyone give me some advice on this?

Just bought a brand spanking new 40GB PS3 and ready to hook it up to the 42" to enjoy GTA IV and maybe a blu-ray tonight. Problem

"No Signal Input" on the TV? I know i should at least be able to get 1080i on this TV, the Component video XB360 can bring it out, but i'm at wits end regarding this.

Works fine on the other TV, and i know the HDMI inputs work as the dvd player works fine on it.
All suggestions appreciated.
VR!

ipodrocker

what way did u have it plugged into the other tv? i found i had mine plugged in using av/scart and needed to change it to use hdmi and then turn it off and then plug into the the plasma tv.

311

Have you selected HDMI as the output on the PS3 ?

ongarite

You need to reset and auto-detect the PS3 settings again. Turn off PS3, connect with HDMI cable and hold down power button for 10 seconds until 2 beeps heard.
Ps3 will then auto-detect connection type and optimal resolution.

ShawnRaven

Thanks for your answers guys.
Apparently HDMI on this Philips Plasma only supports 480p?! Of course, that's far too low for the PS3.

Ended up going to Game and buying the component video cable for 8 quid. Now i'm in full 1080i, as good as i'm gonna get for a Plasma.

Or would i be better off dropping to 720p?
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guil

most games are better in 720p cos thats the native resolution

311

Your reasoning isn't very valid VR:D

If your tv supports 1080i on component ,it's highly unlikely hdmi is any less.
As long as the component cable is good quality though ,there won't be much difference in quality apart from some colour bleeding.

Zonda999

guil07 wrote: »

most games are better in 720p cos thats the native resolution

Seeing as you brought up that;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gta4

Accordin to this, the native res of gta4 on the ps3 is 640p.Is this really the case???I didnt think that res exists.If so are all ps3 games only runnin at 640p and then said to be 720p native, or is gta4 only half high definition?????

ongarite

Many many games for 360 and PS3 are not native 720p and so what I say, they look great to me.
COD4 is 600p on both 360, PS3, Halo3 + GTA4 PS3 are 640p, who cares!!

guil

Zonda999 wrote: »

Seeing as you brought up that;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gta4

Accordin to this, the native res of gta4 on the ps3 is 640p.Is this really the case???I didnt think that res exists.If so are all ps3 games only runnin at 640p and then said to be 720p native, or is gta4 only half high definition?????

i think its cos it's ported from the xbox and the only reason i mentioned anythin bout res was cos someone asked if a game would be better in 1080i or 720p

Zonda999

ongarite wrote: »

Many many games for 360 and PS3 are not native 720p and so what I say, they look great to me.
COD4 is 600p on both 360, PS3, Halo3 + GTA4 PS3 are 640p, who cares!!

Well if COD4 runs at 600p ans still manages to look amazing, thats convincing enough for me.That poses the question though, how long will it be till all games are truely hd, 1920x1080 native res???

311

GT5 is 1440 x 1080 natively ,then it's upscaled to 1920 x 1080 by the playstation 3.

Zonda999

311 wrote: »

GT5 is 1440 x 1080 natively ,then it's upscaled to 1920 x 1080 by the playstation 3.

I presume that prologue also is at that res natively.No wonder its, without doubt IMO, the best looking the game to date.Truly beautuful.

ShawnRaven

311 wrote: »

Your reasoning isn't very valid VR:D

If your tv supports 1080i on component ,it's highly unlikely hdmi is any less.
As long as the component cable is good quality though ,there won't be much difference in quality apart from some colour bleeding.

I had considered that already. However i have a HDMI DVD player as well, which supports upscaling, but it won't go past 480p! For the TV's in the gaff, they go to 1080i. But on the plasma, anything HDMI is just a headache! So i've no idea what the deal is. I contacted both Philips and Sony, and whereas Sony were helpful enough to rule out the PS3 and tried all they could for the TV, Philips were just clueless.

The quality is great on the component cable though, better than SCART anyway!

VR!

byte

What's the model number of your Philips TV?

ShawnRaven

byte wrote: »

What's the model number of your Philips TV?

42PF5321/10, Have it nearly 2 years. Works what what we generally want it for, it's just HDMI that gives me headaches.

VR!

Victor_M

validreasoning! wrote: »

I had considered that already. However i have a HDMI DVD player as well, which supports upscaling, but it won't go past 480p! For the TV's in the gaff, they go to 1080i. But on the plasma, anything HDMI is just a headache! So i've no idea what the deal is. I contacted both Philips and Sony, and whereas Sony were helpful enough to rule out the PS3 and tried all they could for the TV, Philips were just clueless.

The quality is great on the component cable though, better than SCART anyway!

VR!

Component Video is Hi Def (up to 1080i), you won't see any difference between it and HDMI at all, there will be no colour bleeding despite what a previous poster stated.
So you are getting the best from your TV with the current setup.

311

Victor_M wrote: »

Component Video is Hi Def (up to 1080i), you won't see any difference between it and HDMI at all, there will be no colour bleeding despite what a previous poster stated.
So you are getting the best from your TV with the current setup.

There is colour bleeding on various games I have ,when I use component.
Maybe not on an lcd ,I've not tried component on lcd.

Victor_M

311 wrote: »

There is colour bleeding on various games I have ,when I use component.
Maybe not on an lcd ,I've not tried component on lcd.

I was only referring to HD TV picture quality, I have SKY HD via Component and have the PS3 with HDMI, on a 42" plasma, I have never noticed bleeding on Sky, and couldn't notice any difference between HDMI PQ and Component PQ when I was setting it up.

As for games I have only used HDMI, just presumed it would be the same as SKY, obviously not though.

ShawnRaven

311 wrote: »

There is colour bleeding on various games I have ,when I use component.
Maybe not on an lcd ,I've not tried component on lcd.

No colour bleeding so far, i've played GTA IV, Stranglehold and watched Blu Ray's on it all weekend, so it's all good

VR!

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

You will get a sharper image at 720p, as it delivers more image per frame than 1080i.

mathias

You will get a sharper image at 720p, as it delivers more image per frame than 1080i.

No it doesnt , please explain your reasoning ?
If its the interlaced nature of 1080i that your referring too , then you should know that no flat screen can show interlaced ( except a hitachi alis ) , they can only show progressive therefore everything must be de interlaced and shown as progressive ,

Therefore a 1080i signal has more "image" than a 720p signal. over twice as many pixels in fact.

mathias

I have SKY HD via Component and have the PS3 with HDMI, on a 42" plasma, I have never noticed bleeding on Sky, and couldn't notice any difference between HDMI PQ and Component PQ when I was setting it up.

This is correct , the only caveat is that component is analog , and cheapo cables will cause problems , like colour bleed.
With good quality component cables it should be almost impossible to tell the difference between the two.

The beauty of HDMI is the digital signalling which pretty much eliminates cable quality issues because of the high immunity interference inherent in digital signals. Its also nice to have audio and video on the one cable.

Regarding the philips , it would seem there is a fault there , because that TV should have no problem with HD over HDMI , HDMI is intended for High definition and I have never heard of an interface that was limited to 480p.
It must be faulty.

311

The specs for the TV here are 480p ,the tv actually only has 480 lines

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

mathias wrote: »

No it doesnt , please explain your reasoning ?
If its the interlaced nature of 1080i that your referring too , then you should know that no flat screen can show interlaced ( except a hitachi alis ) , they can only show progressive therefore everything must be de interlaced and shown as progressive ,

Therefore a 1080i signal has more "image" than a 720p signal. over twice as many pixels in fact.

Ok so it can't display an interlaced image, but where are the other 540 lines of information per frame coming from???

There is a slight but noticable blur on my tv at 1080i compared to 720p

ongarite

You should run the game at 720p if possible. This is the resolution the game was designed to run at.
You can run it at 1080i or 1080p but the PS3 is scaling the game from its native 640/720p, hence it will have more aliasing and look softer.

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

Ok so it's not a HD tv then, is it a PAL TV????? as PAL is 576 lines verticle

311

It's 852 x 450 , http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/4/42pf5321_10/42pf5321_10_pss_eng.pdf

mathias

There is a slight but noticable blur on my tv at 1080i compared to 720p

Which is entirely down to the de-interlacer circuits ,

1080i is 1920 x 1080 content with its frames split to save on bandwidth , your de-interlacer reconstructs them.

Were talking about games here , and all the content on the disc is progressive at various different resolutions , if you set the output to 1080i , its scaling and interlacing the content , and your TV is de-interlacing and scaling again.
It starts off and finishes in progressive in the case of games.

With good circuitry , you shouldnt notice too much in the way of deterioration ( if any) , but the lesser TV sets most definitely do have issues with de-interlacing.

The only time that 1080i becomes inherently inferior to 720p is with live broadcasts , all other content is usually progressive to start with.

To sum up , with a good set ,( I vote panasonic by the way ) 1080i content should be better than 720p. Indeed with a full HD set , 1080i content is indistinguishable from 1080p. Its identical.

ShawnRaven

311 wrote: »

It's 852 x 450 , http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/4/42pf5321_10/42pf5321_10_pss_eng.pdf

I still don't understand how i can still get it to do 1080i with component though if 480 lines is all the television can do?

VR!

mathias

Its scaling it down , thats all , your not seeing 1080i , your seeing slightly enhanced SD TV.

Strange having a HDMI port on a TV like that. I had assumed it was HD ready at least. Ive never seen an SD plasma with one ! Still , you live an learn eh !

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

yeah, strange...... did I not see two HDMI's on the PDF? so it's twice as weird

311

validreasoning! wrote: »

I still don't understand how i can still get it to do 1080i with component though if 480 lines is all the television can do?

VR!

I'm not a techie by trade ,so sometimes my theory can be gruesome:pac::D
Hdmi on the ps3 is very harsh when it comes to outputting ,I've found component easier on the eye with lower resolution tv's like mine.
The way I see component is ,that it transmits at the highest it can without any interference from your tv and your tv does it's best aswell.

Hdmi seems to be straight cut and if it can't get there one way it drops to another.
Also ,I didn't see any mention in the documentation of your tv of upscaling.

mathias

With HDMI some equipment have circuitry that can interrogate the TV and determine what its capable of , the PS3 is a good example of this , in this case it determines that the TV is 480p and thats all it will send.

All flat panels have a native resolution , and can accept a wide range of signals , but they will all be scaled to the native resolution of the set.

So whats happening here is that the Component will send the 1080i , but the TV will scale it down.
The PS3's HDMI however , can see the TV is 480p , and wont send anything else.

HDMI is intended for high definition and makers will concentrate on this , some interface implementations will not be at their best on SD , which is most likely why it is going to seem harsher than the component , I would imagine on your set , scaled down 1080i is indeed better than 480p.

On the vast majority of sets with HDMI though , its the best connection to use.