World War 3

RATM

Just finished reading Samuel Huntingdon's book 'The End of History'
His thesis is basically that eventually all nation states will be democratic and we will see an end to history as we know it as democratic states generally don't go to war with one another due to an impact on trade economics, etc.

Anyway I don't agree with his thesis and reckon WW3 will kick off in the next 15-25 years as precious resources become more scarce.

So how do you guys see it going? Where will it all start? And who will be the main players?

Personally in any event Im thinking the US/EU/Israel/Aus/NZ are sticking together.
Im backing a squabble between India and Pakistan will kick it off where a nuclear weapon gets fired. Then China steps in ( being the dominant power in Asia its unlikely they wouldn't ) and whilst China is pre-occupied our alliance would take a pop at them.Its 2025 and they are now the worlds largest economy so theres every reason to have a 'pre-emptive strike'. It might even be launched from Israel, who by now are keen to show their neighbours surrounding them what they are capable of as a form of 'Don't even think of it lads'
Latin America and Africa stay out of it by and large, enriching themselves by supplying food for the war efforts. All Asian nations are involved to some extent and even the Japanese decide to drop neutrality. Possibility of Australia being conquered.
Eventually Europe or the US gets hit by a nuclear strike from Asia and from theres its anyones guess.

What do you reckon? Preposterous? Or realist?
Is it going to be Christianity V Islam ?
Or Democracy V Autocracy ?

Kenmare

RATM wrote: »

Just finished reading Samuel Huntingdon's book 'The End of History'
His thesis is basically that eventually all nation states will be democratic and we will see an end to history as we know it as democratic states generally don't go to war with one another due to an impact on trade economics, etc.

Anyway I don't agree with his thesis and reckon WW3 will kick off in the next 15-25 years as precious resources become more scarce.

So how do you guys see it going? Where will it all start? And who will be the main players?

Personally in any event Im thinking the US/EU/Israel/Aus/NZ are sticking together.
Im backing a squabble between India and Pakistan will kick it off where a nuclear weapon gets fired. Then China steps in ( being the dominant power in Asia its unlikely they wouldn't ) and whilst China is pre-occupied our alliance would take a pop at them.Its 2025 and they are now the worlds largest economy so theres every reason to have a 'pre-emptive strike'. It might even be launched from Israel, who by now are keen to show their neighbours surrounding them what they are capable of as a form of 'Don't even think of it lads'
Latin America and Africa stay out of it by and large, enriching themselves by supplying food for the war efforts. All Asian nations are involved to some extent and even the Japanese decide to drop neutrality. Possibility of Australia being conquered.
Eventually Europe or the US gets hit by a nuclear strike from Asia and from theres its anyones guess.

What do you reckon? Preposterous? Or realist?
Is it going to be Christianity V Islam ?
Or Democracy V Autocracy ?

Its gonna be Islam vs whats left.

helimachoptor

Personally I can see a West vs Islam was in the next 15 years most likely start by or involving an attack on Israel.

Failing that.. I can see 4 "Super Powers" with the US having the edge technologically, Russia and China having the edge with resources. Europe being basically a poor 4th as the UK/Germany/France have still failed to organise an effective military reply to potential threats.

The UK will break away and ally with the US, I cannot see the rest of the EU doing this. Oz/NZ I beleive will remain neutral as there could be a possibility of invasion though for Oz most likely this would fail due to the sheer size of the country.

Aslo presuming nuclear weapons are not used. Most weapons will be fire and forget from missile silos/Bombers/subs/missile frigates/carriers
so they US will not have to steam up close to the south china sea to start bombing. The US will have some advance missile defence system in place.

Basically the US will win but Oil etc will be completely gone. The world will be reshaped. Russia will turn into the backward country it has been for the last 10 years but its army rusting away. China will close its borders having annexed most of asia, including japan
.

USA will be the only super power but will be weakend and will be under threat for South America terrorists.

Kenmare

helimachoptor wrote: »

Personally I can see a West vs Islam was in the next 15 years most likely start by or involving an attack on Israel.

Failing that.. I can see 4 "Super Powers" with the US having the edge technologically, Russia and China having the edge with resources. Europe being basically a poor 4th as the UK/Germany/France have still failed to organise an effective military reply to potential threats.

The UK will break away and ally with the US, I cannot see the rest of the EU doing this. Oz/NZ I beleive will remain neutral as there could be a possibility of invasion though for Oz most likely this would fail due to the sheer size of the country.

Aslo presuming nuclear weapons are not used. Most weapons will be fire and forget from missile silos/Bombers/subs/missile frigates/carriers
so they US will not have to steam up close to the south china sea to start bombing. The US will have some advance missile defence system in place.

Basically the US will win but Oil etc will be completely gone. The world will be reshaped. Russia will turn into the backward country it has been for the last 10 years but its army rusting away. China will close its borders having annexed most of asia, including japan
.

USA will be the only super power but will be weakend and will be under threat for South America terrorists.

Demographics indicate it wont be the west against islam. Islam will BE the west at the current rate its expanding at.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I think history will record this present time as probably being a few year's into WWIII.

RedXIV

Man this is a depressing thread.....

Kenmare

RedXIV its depressing but true. Will history judge us as people who buried their heads in the sand, while all they fought for was eroded away?

helimachoptor

Kenmare wrote: »

RedXIV its depressing but true. Will history judge us as people who buried their heads in the sand, while all they fought for was eroded away?

I dont think it is being eroded away. War will come I think that is certain, what we write on this thread and the roles played by various nations may be different. They may decide to go nuclear and put us back in the the days where fire was a new discovery or it may propel us to a new age of peace and scientific progress...

Either way give me a SAW and let me run around like a mad man!

Cadet?

RATM wrote: »

Just finished reading Samuel Huntingdon's book 'The End of History'

Not to be difficult about it but 'The End of History' is by Francis Fukuyama isn't it? Samuel Huntington wrote 'The Clash of Civilisations and the remaking of the World Order'. if I'm right....

Sorry- i'm a stickler for the details!

Havel

Don't think China and the US could possibly be on opposite sites. The US government debt is largely financed by China via government bonds, so it is in both their interests to avoid a war with each other.
I can't see a world war breaking out in the next 100 years because inside that time frame whichever side the US is on will just kick-ass.

I think people get too caught up in the growth of China, it will be the latter half of this century when the catch up with the US.

seamus

Then China steps in ( being the dominant power in Asia its unlikely they wouldn't ) and whilst China is pre-occupied our alliance would take a pop at them.Its 2025 and they are now the worlds largest economy so theres every reason to have a 'pre-emptive strike'.

It's very difficult to attack a country for no reason unless you're backed up by a serious amount of propaganda. The EU attacking any country just because they're a little exposed is the least likely thing that will happen unless that country has offered a direct threat against the EU. Could you imagine Brown trying to give that speech - "We need to attack China just because the opportunity to hit them has presented itself. They're great little people, but we want to kill them now just in case."

I would be very surprised if we see another major war (i.e. a good chunk of the developed world involved) at all. The biggest threat comes from countries run by religious dictatorships, but by and large they're being kept from developing the kind of serious power that could compete with the US and EU.

Kenmare

but Seamus, religious dictators dont usually follow the same rules. Wars by the US etc try and save their soldiers, with islamic soldiers they want to die so they can get their virgins.

seamus

Kenmare wrote: »

but Seamus, religious dictators dont usually follow the same rules. Wars by the US etc try and save their soldiers, with islamic soldiers they want to die so they can get their virgins.

Agreed completely, however dictators are generally interested in power above all else. What's the use in waging a war where you're going to end up dead? While suicide bombers and so forth can be convinced of their divine destiny, the higher up the chain you go, the less willing the "zealots" are for death.
It's only true lunatics who will launch a hopeless battle just so they can do some damage. Luckily Islam promotes that Islam should replace other religions by force, so even the most determined zealot isn't going to start a hopeless war, as this would mean that Islam doesn't get to replace the target religion.

c-90

i dont know how or when the next world war is gonna be but there are some things that are garentied

1. america will be involved
2. it will be fought in the middle east
3. the countries that stay neutral like ireland will benifit from not taking sides
4. nobody is going to win

god its depressing:(

RATM

seamus wrote: »

It's very difficult to attack a country for no reason unless you're backed up by a serious amount of propaganda. The EU attacking any country just because they're a little exposed is the least likely thing that will happen unless that country has offered a direct threat against the EU. Could you imagine Brown trying to give that speech - "We need to attack China just because the opportunity to hit them has presented itself. They're great little people, but we want to kill them now just in case."

Errrrmmm Iraq? Propaganda? WMD ! If you tell a lie and then tell it often enough then soon enough the people will believe it. I think that was Goebells little masterpiece

seamus

RATM wrote: »

Errrrmmm Iraq? Propaganda? WMD ! If you tell a lie and then tell it often enough then soon enough the people will believe it. I think that was Goebells little masterpiece

Absolutely. And that's what they did. They provided a reason and propaganda and went in. A seriously large majority of Americans *still* believe that the reasons for the war were just.

You don't need a valid reason, you just need something believeable and threatening. But unless China starts posturing against the EU/US, I can't see them managing to spin anything that would justify attacking the largest country (by population) in the world.

RATM

Fair point Seamus but if it came to it I reckon the political and ruling elite would come up with some justification. Even if only a minority truly believed it the US is so stuck in the notion of 'The President knows best' due to 'National Security Intelligence' that we can't tell you about because its not in the interests of National Security; the people are powerless to stop it happening if the ruling elite want it to happen.

kowloon

RATM wrote: »

Just finished reading Samuel Huntingdon's book 'The End of History'
His thesis is basically that eventually all nation states will be democratic and we will see an end to history as we know it as democratic states generally don't go to war with one another due to an impact on trade economics, etc.

Sounds like a dull book.

Something along the lines of "Indiana Jones and uneventful years of employment in Duchas reading test trench reports from motorway construction schemes".

confused-dazed

the predictions about WWWIII have been going on for many years.
as most of you know war means money to alot of countries, it has a knock on effect from jobs right down to the population.
what i mean by this is if we didn't have WWW1 and WWW11 what would the population of europe be now or any other major super power.
without going into the in's and outs of this and making this post read like a book, here's a suggestion for you.
GOOGLE either or all of the following
2012 or mabus
then come back to this thread.
sorry O.P. if i'm going over the top but there some damn good reading in there