MMA fighter vs A forum troll

CyberGhost

I thought this was a usual youtube fake you see everyday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62m6XGLYNSM

This is a street fight that was on the news in sweden a few weeks ago. A MMA fighter and a nobody got into an argument on a swedish mma forum were the troll said that the mma fighter sucked (he is really bad, his record isnt even on sherdog) the mma fighter got really pissed and got it very personally, they decieded to fight each other on a soccer field while people were filming it to put it up on the forums, the nobody only had kickboxing training while the MMA fighter obviously had mma training. They said he got 4 broken bones in his face, lost his memory for a week and was in a coma for 1 day... (they didnt say anything about his balls...) The MMA fighter is senticed to 4 years in prison... This is the kind of people u dont want to have representing the sport of mma.... the forum is www.mmaforum.se but the mods had to remove the threads.

Pride Fighter

Disgusting, that is all.

Roper

Chnage the thread title to Scumbag beats up forum troll.

Khannie

Jesus.

Leo?

I think it's a work.

Khannie

Leo? wrote: »

I think it's a work.

A fake?

Just watched it again. I don't think so. Scumbag.

j.griff

that is a pure scumbag and prison is the best place for him, he does not represent the sport of mma he is just a thug, lets see if he will pick any fights inside prison i think not......:mad:

t-ha

Hitting him in the balls at the end was the classy icing on the classy cake. Classy guy. WTF did that forum troll show up exactly?

trout

Now that I've watched it ... I hope it is faked :mad:

Did the cameraman face charges as well ? Scum.

jon1981

thats actually disturbing, i wish i hadnt watched that. that was not a fight that was an attack. seriously, what makes people keep going even when its clear the guy is unconscious?

trout

jon1981 wrote: »

... what makes people keep going even when its clear the guy is unconscious?

"people" doesn't come into it. That fool isn't even a fighter ... he's just scum.

If it is real ... you'd have to wonder why the troll/victim agreed to it. OP ... have you any links or more detail on this ?

The mind boggles

dlofnep

Oh well. Don't troll pro-fighters. Lesson learned.

cowzerp

What a spa, that lad makes humanity look bad never mind MMA..:mad:

Baggio...

trout wrote: »

Now that I've watched it ... I hope it is faked :mad:

Looks pretty real unfortunately... What piece of **** that guy is.

Should have got more than 4 years the fckin poosay. He hit an unconscious person twice.

CyberGhost

trout wrote: »

Now that I've watched it ... I hope it is faked :mad:

Did the cameraman face charges as well ? Scum.

That's what I wondered myself, WTF cameraman? put it down and stop it.

Holding a camera and filming does strange things to people

trout wrote: »

"people" doesn't come into it. That fool isn't even a fighter ... he's just scum.

If it is real ... you'd have to wonder why the troll/victim agreed to it. OP ... have you any links or more detail on this ?

The mind boggles

Nope, nothing, the threads have been deleted on the Swedish forum, I got this from the UG(UnderGround forum)

RedXIV

Hope he gets whats coming to him, there's NEVER justification for hitting someone unconscious.

ezemska

You wonder whether the aggressor actually realised what he were doing... I mean hitting someone repeatedly in the head after they've already lost consciousness has a decent enough chance of killing them. But if he really wanted to murder the guy then you think he would have picked some other scenario than doing it in public in the middle of a football field, and while he was being filmed too???

Also you'd wonder what motivated him? Either he's sadistic, or he just really really hated that guy, or then again maybe he was just in a rage.

If I'd had to place a bet on whether the chap was alive afterwards I wuda said he'd been killed. I'm suprised he recovered. I'm hoping to get my hands on the full unedited video of the fight.

I'd say the aggressor would've gotten way more prison time if both parties hadn't agreed to the fight.

Nothingcompares

ezemska wrote: »

But if he really wanted to murder the guy then you think he would have picked some other scenario than doing it in public in the middle of a football field, and while he was being filmed too???

manslaughter if the guy would have died

ColinJennings

Nope it would be murder. He had the intent necessary for it to be murder. You don't need to intend on killing someone, just intent on hitting them very hard As long as the death is seen as a natural consequence of the action you are taking, it is enough to satisfy the mens rea (mental element) of murder.

dunkamania

Reassuring to know that we have experts in Swedish law posting on this forum.

CyberGhost

Some more info...

According to swedish newspapers and the tv show your clip is from. They knew each other in real life. They agreed to fight because the other guy was seeing his ex-girlfriend

And i dont think he is a fighter. He is a felon who has been convicted for steroid use, illegal weapons possession. Part of his "rehabilitation" program he was sentenced to involved training BJJ

The tv show "insider" exposed his bjj instructor who is also a social worker as a neo nazi

ColinJennings

I can imagine that a neo nazi is not the best type of person to teach mma to a psycho. I think that the tag of 'beat-em-up merchant' can be fairly applied in this case to the instructor.

Boston

ColinJennings wrote: »

Nope it would be murder. He had the intent necessary for it to be murder. You don't need to intend on killing someone, just intent on hitting them very hard As long as the death is seen as a natural consequence of the action you are taking, it is enough to satisfy the mens rea (mental element) of murder.

You are incorrect. You need to have deliberately set out to murder someone otherwise its manslaughter.

ColinJennings

dunkamania wrote: »

Reassuring to know that we have experts in Swedish law posting on this forum.

Boston wrote: »

You are incorrect. You need to have deliberately set out to murder someone otherwise its manslaughter.

I'm afraid not. Traditionally you did require malice aforethought, now you just need to have an intent to kill or cause serious injury to some person. What is a serious injury is not defined, but in Peter Charlton's book Offences against the Person, he suggests that it means an injury creating more than a merely trivial risk that the victim may die of the injury. Given that he was recently promoted to the High Court, I'd say that that suggestion holds a fair amount of weight. I would suggest there was clearly an intent to cause serious injury to the victim in this video.

Section 4 of The Criminal Justice Act 1964 sets out the mens rea for murder:

(1) Where a person kills another unlawfully the killing shall not be murder unless the accused person intended to kill, or cause serious injury to, some person, whether the person actually killed or not.

(2) The accused person shall be presumed to have intended the natural and probable consequences of his conduct; but this presumption may be rebutted.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1964/en/act/pub/0005/sec0004.html#zza5y1964s4

Boston

Hmm interesting, I wonder how well that holds up in practice though particularly the latter part.

ColinJennings

Well the test is a rather contraversial one as you cannot look into the accused's mind and if you can only infer beyond a reasonable doubt based on all the surrounding circumstances. If you infer that someone did indeed intend the natural and probable consequences of their action, it forces them to give evidence, which goes agains the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty and generally do not need to give evidence in your won defence.

But that is enough of a law lecture for tonight... back to scumbag v troll.

ezemska

If you're gonna hit someone several times in the head when they're already knocked unconscious then it's murder if they die. Saying you didn't mean for them to die is like saying "I lit the fuse but I didn't mean for the bomb to go off". If you only hit someone once in the head, then it's quite believable to say that you didn't mean to kill them; I mean think how many people get punched in the head every day in this country (several thousand probably), and then think how often you hear of someone dying from a punch to head (once every few years). But if the person's already been knocked unconscious then the odds of them being killed sky-rocket with every subsequent blow you deliver.

If I got in a fight with someone and I wanted to kill them -- (and this is purely a hypothetical of course) -- then I'd find no better way of doing the deed than stamping on their head til their heart stops beating, and I bet it wouldn't take more than ten stamps.

A thought just triggered in my mind there... reminds me of the time I saw a pitbull latch onto someone. I wondered whether the dog would be easier or more difficult to knock out because of its smaller brain? (A bit random, I know)

FiannaGym.com

It doesn't really bear thinking about a murder versus manslaughter debate.

The guy is probably going to be in and out of prison, etc. for the rest of his life, which will probably be a short one.

Everyone involved in that video should be pitied, to varying degrees.

Peace

mirwillbeback

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c3_1176848677

not quite as bad as this one i reckon.

footbag_man

jon1981 wrote: »

thats actually disturbing, i wish i hadnt watched that. that was not a fight that was an attack. seriously, what makes people keep going even when its clear the guy is unconscious?

Ya , man its ****ing wrong and there is so much of it about... There is a new version of what once used to be BUM FIGHTS in the USA. It is sick, the idea = get 2 convicts pay them a small amount of cash to fight till 1 get badly beaten or knocked out fully... It disturbed me so much I sent an e-mail to www.keepitinthering.org to see if they could try to do something about these scum...

Here is a youtube link to one of these fight - Beware this is very brutal violence

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=JgAgifClrt8

footbag_man

mirwillbeback wrote: »

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c3_1176848677

not quite as bad as this one i reckon.

ya ive see that 1 man, them boys are scum and there gettin away with it the hole time, their fights are much worse than the one at the start of this thread, some1 gonna die in 1 very soon. suprized that fella didnt

Subbway

That's just sickening. Disturbing. I think people like that should be put in prison for a long time. Hopefully that guy don't have much to do with MMA.
That just goes to show how the press in sweden or same thing in finland like to publish this thing.

I swear that if someone kills someone and have trained beginner's course in MMA or BJJ they would publish it "MMA fighter kills young man". Hard to find the truth in papers...

HammerHeadGym

Wow!! Am I the only one that lulzed?