IV and other shoot dates 08-09

Private Ryan

Ok just to give people as much notice as possible and to try and finish some issues that were missed at the agm. First let me give what is most likely the dates for next year

1. DCU 15th November (confirmed)
2. NUIM 29th Nov / 6th Dec
3. NUIG 24th Jan
4. CIT 7th Feb (National Student championship)
5. UCD 21st Feb
6. DKIT 7th March (Open)
7. GMIT 21st March (assuming IAAA Nationals on 22nd)
8. UL 28th March

As you can see this still leaves a competition every 2 weeks in second semester and so I've suggested that DKIT hold the open (any objections and UCD will hold open). However if DKIT can get a date befor Christmas a big reshuffle could be done to spread out the shoots in sem 2. (Possibly UL becoming open as IAAA Nationals is week before)
For those a little confused as voted at the AGM the team score will not count towards the League at either the Nationals or the Open.
Only DCU is confirmed but this the best seperation of dates given the no. of shoots. If any college thinks they cannot get one of these dates or thinks they can get a date before Christmas can they please tell me know asap.

Scottish Rob

will pass all of those on for inclusion in the IAAA calendar for next year at the next exec meeting.. if there is enough interest in a field shoot within the ISAA then the IAC will host one minimum, 3 maximum field shoots over the next academic year around the country for all student archers.. knock the idea around a bit and talk to Panserborn etc and let me know the date(s) that would suit

Private Ryan

Although I think I've spoken to all the captains I'm still not sure about the lie of the land with hall bookings, shoots the following day so I'd leave setting these dates in stone on the IAAA calendar just yet.
A field shoot would be good fun though......

Panserborn

Private Ryan wrote: »

For those a little confused as voted at the AGM the team score will not count towards the League at either the Nationals or the Open.

Just curious, who is the "Open" open to? If its an open competition ye should send out the word to the appropiate organisations that ye will be running an open just to tell them to keep it in mind.

Is it a student (schools and colleges)? And/or an international open - maybe inviting a team from the UK? Nice idea to have an open competition - the old schools vs colleges open was fun, if not embarressing for the colleges thanks in no small part to Private Ryan

doogle deegan

Panserborn wrote: »

Just curious, who is the "Open" open to?

The host college can decied who the may shoot in the open as per new rules:

"(8) Colleges/Universities running the Nationals and the Student Open are free to decide on the format of the competitions. It is recommended to incorporate a knock out round (individual and/or team) in order to promote this type of competition"

Private Ryan

The Calendar meeting of the IAAA is on Sept 14th in Sport HQ. All shoot dates for the coming year are ment to be finalised at this meeting so I would appreciate it if I could get confirmation from those colleges who's dates were still undecided a few months ago.

A note for the committee: Before the start of the season we need to rewrite the rules. They have all been agreed in principle but they were never formalised.

spudnick

doogle deegan wrote: »

The host college can decied who the may shoot in the open as per new rules:


"(8) "

so that would leave it up to dkit.Twuld be a vey good idea as panser born suggested to email other archery folk mabey those at the uk student archery-as if i rember they kindly sent us an invitation to one of thier shoots.

ppringle

just would like to confirm that the students national championships will be on Sat 7th February.
The hall is now booked and this shoot can be confirmed at the calendar meeting.

phil

Panserborn

Just confirming the NUIG IV will be on the 24th January 2009.

The following day will be the National Barebow championships with automatic entry into the World Barebow Championships. If some archers from the North sign up we will also run an All-Ireland champs as well - all archers are welcome to strip down their bows for the day and give it a go - there were some very surprising successes from non-specialists last year :P

Private Ryan

Just to let people see at a glance the confirmed IV dates are:

1. DCU 15th November
2. NUIG 24th Jan
3. ITC 7th Feb (National Student championship)
4. UCD 21st Feb
5. DKIT 7th March (not fully confirmed)
6. GMIT 28th March
7. UL 4th April

As yet I have no date for NUIM.
Unless I get confirmation that maynooth are hosting a competition all competitions except ITC count toward the team league score. Individual scores can be shot at any competition (provided the format includes 60 arrows which the nationals does not have to have) and the best 5 count.
If maynooth have an IV we will need a volinteer to host the open

connemara man

just a thought if maynooth do suply a date that it be the date for the open as they were late submitting a date.

Hammer Archer

The NUIM IV has been scheduled for November 29th.

Private Ryan

Now that leaves us with the problem of the open.
As suggested, it could be maynooth (I wanted somone else to make the suggestion first). However because maynooth is one of only two before christmas i think it should count.
I've said it to many people already (much to their annoyance) but ideally either GMIT or UL would be the open because they are two weekends in a row late in the year but their are reasons not to have then as well. Any suggestions?

Panserborn

Private Ryan wrote: »

Now that leaves us with the problem of the open.

What is the format of the Open? I know its "up to the host", but maybe if there were some ideas then some club will be more willing to host it as it could be significantly different from an IV - and perhaps more interesting.

Just as a clarification (not trying to be patronising, just clarify...ising); in sports, an "open" competition is generally regarded as an event where standard restrictions on participation are lifted. This differs from, say, a National Championship where only national competitors take part. In the case of the IVs and the National Student Championship (Carlow), these are open to 3rd level students. Perhaps the "Open" championships should be open to 2nd level students as well, or staff, or whatever.

Just something to chew over ...............

Aryzel

Panserborn wrote: »

What is the format of the Open? I know its "up to the host", but maybe if there were some ideas then some club will be more willing to host it as it could be significantly different from an IV - and perhaps more interesting.

Just as a clarification (not trying to be patronising, just clarify...ising); in sports, an "open" competition is generally regarded as an event where standard restrictions on participation are lifted. This differs from, say, a National Championship where only national competitors take part. In the case of the IVs and the National Student Championship (Carlow), these are open to 3rd level students. Perhaps the "Open" championships should be open to 2nd level students as well, or staff, or whatever.

Just something to chew over ...............

Two problems with doing an Open that way (though it is the traditional meaning), first is insurance, not clear if non students would be covered, would need to be checked first. Schools usualy insure their students that compete at other school grounds, but it would need to be checked that it covers university competition on university grounds. Second issue is space, IVs are already packed to the rafters, where do extra people go?

As i understand it, the idea behind the Open is to allow ye to have an IV with an different format, for fun and a change. So Open is probably the wrong word to describe it, as the intention was not to include non-IV people, just to vary the format. So instead of thinking about including non-IV people i'd put the effort into thinking of a better name for it instead of Open :P If they want a traditional Open with non-IV people, then your looking at something completely different, a fixed format, team competition, which is interesting too, but a couple of them are held by the IAAA anyways so it doesn't add alot to turn an IV into one too.

connemara man

having the open in maynooth would set up a situation of forfeiture of iv if late with the date. something i personally do not see as a bad thing for the future.

and also the ratio of east to west iv's would be evened out.

Panserborn

Aryzel wrote: »

Two problems with doing an Open that way (though it is the traditional meaning), first is insurance, not clear if non students would be covered, would need to be checked first. Schools usualy insure their students that compete at other school grounds, but it would need to be checked that it covers university competition on university grounds. Second issue is space, IVs are already packed to the rafters, where do extra people go?

Fair points. If the host was IAAA affialiated then insurance should be grand for 2nd level students as the schools involved are affialiated as well - but thats a mute point as the space issue is real. There are some large halls capable of hosting more numbers - DCU, ourselves in NUIG (New swanky hall!), but we are already down for IVs.

However, having an "open" (for lack of another title) just to have a different format is essentially doubling up on the National Student Championship hosted by Carlow. This uses tournament style shooting to be different from an IV.

How about a Face2Face style event? All 3rd level students, no teams, everyone there as an individual archer in a F2F. This would have its own issues I realise (absence of the "team" aspect, some archers shoot less arrows than others etc.), but it is different! Its not the same as a tournament as the archers are placed into groups and shoot round-robin against each other before moving onto the knock-out stages. Essentially how the compound section works at the NSC.

Alternatively, a team event as suggested by Azreal but with teams made up of archers from different colleges. Mix it up a bit.

I'm rambling .................. apologies ................ but again, chew on it.

Reku

Sound like interesting suggestions, though I'd worry the F2F event might appear offputting to newer archers, but maybe there is already some aspect to it to help counter that, can't say I'm familiar with them:o.

The mixed teams could just be done via the draw of a hat on the day so might not be too much extra hassle.

Another possibilty would be using the dart-face targets, they come in various sizes, so beginners can shoot the bigger ones, and it would be a bit different. Bit of a possible expense issue there since they can't really be used for normal training, and some folks mightn't be too thrilled with the black and white targets.

Or perhaps some crazy rule sets, e.g. only even number scores count one round(i.e. arrow scores of 1/3/5/7/9 are counted as misses), then next round only odds, etc... Would need to lay down from the outset if linebreakers are to count as the inner circle, as usual or simply the one that gives a score..., probably best to go with inner to avoid giving those with bigger arrows too much of an advantage. I'm sure folks could come up with more unusual but doable rules no problem.

There's plenty of options in terms of ways to vary things, so guess we'll just have to see what the host club feels up for doing.

SonicTheBadger

the hall in maynooth can barely fit an IV (12 targets) let alone an event with extra people. the hall is only 18M wide.

Aryzel

Also, crazy thought here, but you don't actually need every college to host competitions. 6 IVs and a national are easily plenty, could do with less almost.

connemara man

has anyone decided anything about the open yet?

Cosine

So whats the story with the open?

Will it be decided on Saturday or what?